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Thread: I CANNOT BELIEVE Holo is considering what a guy with 11 posts is crying about
I dont think that anything he said should be considered "lies and misinformation".
"Secondly no commando can solo an ATST. Anyone who hasbeen involvedlarge PVP battles knows that it takes many, many, people to take down an ATST"
This just isnt true.. Especially in large PVP battles. All it takes is 1 good burn to pretty much take one out. Sometimes this varies but I have seen 1 flame2 take one down to almost nothing. In large PVP battles its very easy to get within range to let 1 burst off.
"Just because you are able to use good "verbage" while making a completely asinine point does not mean it is right."
You are asinine and make absolutely no points
--"I don't think that anything he said should be considered "lies and misinformation". --
Why would it not? The post in its entirety is incorrect. See the problem is you are thinking, and I am telling you from experiencing that it is incorrect. Please play more.
--"This just isn't true.. Especially in large PVP battles. All it takes is 1 good burn to pretty much take one out. Sometimes this varies but I have seen 1 flame2 take one down to almost nothing. In large PVP battles its very easy to get within range to let 1 burst off."--
This statement proves to those of us who do play the Star Wars Galaxies that you have no idea what you are talking about. If I hit an ATST for 5k from flamesingle2 he will still have a crap load of HAM left. Not to mention that the 5k I see is in my chat window. That means the AF is not factored in along with the heat resistance in case you did not know.Now theowner wll then have the ATST shoot me for 1+k and I will be dead. Now if the owner leaves it and lets it burn that is on him. All he has to do is store/call and look no more flames. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get "one good burn" in and take out an ATST. Do you play the same game? You have not seen crap stop spreading the lies that are perpetuating from an uninformed group with no real pvp experience. Have you been in a large battle? I have been in many and to say it is easy to get close is true... Let me clarify, It is not easy to get close and live when 10 people turn and shoot you.
--"You are asinine and make absolutely no points"--
To those with an understanding of the game I made my point. See what I am doing is relating real experience not saying "I have friend who....." like the said poster did or "I read all the other boards and the number one problem is commando." The fact that you fail to see how asinine that statement alone is makes arguing with you pointless, but hey I am bored so lets continue. While I use real numbers and facts you can spread the propaganda that you have read and believe is true.
Spinepuller wrote:
--"I don't think that anything he said should be considered "lies and misinformation". --
Why would it not? The post in its entirety is incorrect. See the problem is you are thinking, and I am telling you from experiencing that it is incorrect. Please play more.
Let me start off by saying until last friday I was a Master Commando. The problem is that you are not thinking.
--"This just isn't true.. Especially in large PVP battles. All it takes is 1 good burn to pretty much take one out. Sometimes this varies but I have seen 1 flame2 take one down to almost nothing. In large PVP battles its very easy to get within range to let 1 burst off."--
This statement proves to those of us who do play the Star Wars Galaxies that you have no idea what you are talking about. If I hit an ATST for 5k from flamesingle2 he will still have a crap load of HAM left. Not to mention that the 5k I see is in my chat window. That means the AF is not factored in along with the heat resistance in case you did not know.Now theowner wll then have the ATST shoot me for 1+k and I will be dead. Now if the owner leaves it and lets it burn that is on him. All he has to do is store/call and look no more flames. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get "one good burn" in and take out an ATST. Do you play the same game? You have not seen crap stop spreading the lies that are perpetuating from an uninformed group with no real pvp experience. Have you been in a large battle? I have been in many and to say it is easy to get close is true... Let me clarify, It is not easy to get close and live when 10 people turn and shoot you.
You apparently have not been involved in PVP. Yeah the first hit will not do much at all but then each tick of the burn will do 1-2k at least. I have personally witnessed my flame2 burn take tick down and ATST to nothing. Now if the ATST owner does know what he is doing you will be dead but in large scale PVP the owner will also have other things to worry about. Much of the time you can get a shot in and get out of the way.. Yeah 1 on 1 anyone vs an ATST is dead. You suck is your problem.. It will be impossible for me to relate to you.
--"You are asinine and make absolutely no points"--
I don't think I have ever broken out the "I have a friend who"... This however does not mean that when you witness someone doing ridiculous damage you cant give your 2 cents. To lable someone "asinine" because they have seen something like this is asinine. You havent used any real numbers or facts. You are simply angry because if they nerf commandos damage you will be less "uber" .. Heres a news flash for you even if they cut the damage in half (which I doubt they will even come close to)you will still get away with crazy damage.
To those with an understanding of the game I made my point. See what I am doing is relating real experience not saying "I have friend who....." like the said poster did or "I read all the other boards and the number one problem is commando." The fact that you fail to see how asinine that statement alone is makes arguing with you pointless, but hey I am bored so lets continue. While I use real numbers and facts you can spread the propaganda that you have read and believe is true.
--Let me start off by saying until last friday I was a Master Commando. The problem is that you are not thinking.--
No sig, no server, no PA, sorry I don't buy it.
--You apparently have not been involved in PVP. Yeah the first hit will not do much at all but then each tick of the burn will do 1-2k at least. I have personally witnessed my flame2 burn take tick down and ATST to nothing. Now if the ATST owner does know what he is doing you will be dead but in large scale PVP the owner will also have other things to worry about. Much of the time you can get a shot in and get out of the way.. Yeah 1 on 1 anyone vs an ATST is dead. You suck is your problem.. It will be impossible for me to relate to you.--
Strange, I have an entire PA that can tell you differently. Everytime I have seen an ATST the battle goes like this. CH tanks everyone shoots it. How in the world (if you are not soloing)can you tell how much damage you are doing not to mention how many other people hit it with flamesingle2. I have never had a DoT or seen a DoT do that 1-2k this is BS. I think once I saw a burn for 600 but to something that has a over 20k in HAM that is nothing. At 2k a tick (and lets say this is a very fast tick that would hit every 3 seconds which is impossiable) you would have had to watch the ATST for 30 seconds. So you ran up hit flamesingle2 on the ATST and just stood there for 30 seconds in large PVP battle. Why lie? 2k a tick every3 seconds is outrageous and I am giving that to you. Still you claim "I have personally witnessed my flame2 burn take tick down and ATST to nothing" for 30 seconds in a large PVP battle.
---I don't think I have ever broken out the "I have a friend who"... This however does not mean that when you witness someone doing ridiculous damage you cant give your 2 cents. To lable someone "asinine" because they have seen something like this is asinine. You havent used any real numbers or facts. You are simply angry because if they nerf commandos damage you will be less "uber" .. Heres a news flash for you even if they cut the damage in half (which I doubt they will even come close to)you will still get away with crazy damage.---
No this statement was in reference to the post that this post was referencing. Umm yeah... No one did ridiculous damage. If you truly were a Master Commando then you would know our weaknesses and you would also know that for all of them we a 16 meter window to shine every 9 seconds of which we have to be still and hope to hit. Again you have not saw anything you are just regurgitating what you have heard which is false.Your statementsonly prove you have no knowledge of this game if I wanted to be "uber" I would be a CM or BH.
No sig, no server, no PA, sorry I don't buy it.
If you don't believe me what good will typing in a sig.. I could type in whatever I wanted like you have probably done... Just in case you do believe me based on this it is Grackin from Bria. Scum and Villainy is my PA.
Strange, I have an entire PA that can tell you differently. Everytime I have seen an ATST the battle goes like this. CH tanks everyone shoots it. How in the world (if you are not soloing)can you tell how much damage you are doing not to mention how many other people hit it with flamesingle2. I have never had a DoT or seen a DoT do that 1-2k this is BS. I think once I saw a burn for 600 but to something that has a over 20k in HAM that is nothing. At 2k a tick (and lets say this is a very fast tick that would hit every 3 seconds which is impossiable) you would have had to watch the ATST for 30 seconds. So you ran up hit flamesingle2 on the ATST and just stood there for 30 seconds in large PVP battle. Why lie? 2k a tick every3 seconds is outrageous and I am giving that to you. Still you claim "I have personally witnessed my flame2 burn take tick down and ATST to nothing" for 30 seconds in a large PVP battle.
I have done tests soloing to see exactly how much damage is done with the fire dot. The resistances do not factor in at all on an ATST. In large battles it is hard to determine exactly how much is coming of in each tick but it does not take that long to kill one.
No this statement was in reference to the post that this post was referencing. Umm yeah... No one did ridiculous damage. If you truly were a Master Commando then you would know our weaknesses and you would also know that for all of them we a 16 meter window to shine every 9 seconds of which we have to be still and hope to hit. Again you have not saw anything you are just regurgitating what you have heard which is false.Your statementsonly prove you have no knowledge of this game if I wanted to be "uber" I would be a CM or BH.
If you are anyone else you would know that the weakness commandos have really isnt much of a weakness. Saying that commandos are worthless at range is crazy. As a commando I got just as many kills using a heavy particle beam. Before you mention the high cost stop yourself. I pay between 15-40k for them and that gives me around 30 shots. Money is not a factor in this game. The speed is the only thing that does limit us but still isnt that big a factor. I agree that a BH will kill a Commando 1 on 1. I think that is something that is mentioned in the "asinine" post. This game as it stands is basically a 2 class game which is kinda lame. Combat is basically limited to knockdown or 1 shotting someone. If this is fun for you then enjoy but for most people thatlike this genre itreally leaves something to be desired. In order to make combat something fun and competitive they will have to change elements of this game. I think they need to fix the bugstreating flamethrowers as a melee weapon and makedots subjectto armorbefore they do anything but I am pretty sure they will still need to reduce damage. You are the one that has no knowledge of this or any other game.. or anything else for that matter. If you had played any other combat classes you would realize how easy life is as a commando.
What the heck, you mean my opinion does not matter cause I dont spend all day posting to get 700+ messages under my name? Thats really stupid. I spend my time playing the game not posting to get high number of posts. I dont care if the guy has 1-1000 post's, if I like his idea i'll support it.
As for commando's, I do not yet see a reason to Nerf them.
-EVERYONE- If you just wear armor pvp wise you will do little dmg with the flamer.......ive been gettin hit
all night with flamethrower about 1000-2000dmg and i only take about 200-400dmg ,,and i have a full set of
composite,,,its sad,,commandos are not jack in pvp unless you are wearing no armor,,,The dot is freakin
killer though,,other then that we do jack to armored stuff...Id see any ranged profession to be able to beat
commandos if they are just smart,,just noobs get under 16meters and are not wearing any armor.
Mind shot is a freakin killer,,it can do about 2000dmg pvp wise within my next special attack with flamesingle2
Once again
Holo read that, said what he said in that post and then later said, "Hey the combat balance designer said 'commnado damage is just right'" I mean really, if you are only going to read part of something why choose this? Why not choose the part where he says commando damage is 'just right' and leave it there.
Read all of Holo's responses in that thread and when someone says 'commandos are going to be nerfed, I saw it here' just reply with
"scroll down please"
You people aren't even recalling the discussion on this last week on this forum, let alone on that one.
Yet again another case of "gimme something for nothing".
If you put little effort into something, don't expect a lot out of it. If you go fight a commando, and put little effort into WINNING the fight, don't expect to win.
TRY some tactics. TRY some armor. We aren't unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. It just shocks me how many people PVP without any armor at all, and wonder why they got the hell beat out of them.
Phalx
i can't believe that a game that is called star wars galaxies is changing into nerf wars galaxies.what is going with this game everything that is star wars is this game is changing because people can't be the best class. this is not a game to keep nerfing around and changing things because a group is crying they got own and they thing a nerf is need. cause of this an semi-elite class may face nerfing because rifleman, carbines, pistoleers, creature handlers, ect. can't beat them one on one. well here are some of my thoughts and hopefully you devs will look at this post to and understand where i am coming from.
1) people in what is called a master class ( rifleman, pistoleers, carbineers, creature handlers, ect.) need to understand the work and grind the commandos go throught to become cammandos the long unarmed grind and marksman round to become commandos
2) one ideal which might elimate some of this greaving is maybe have the servers automaticly place you most power skill as your tag. so that if i wanted to duel a player i know what to expect and can adjust my fighting style for the battle. Cause what i beileave is the biggest problem is people walking around with tags saying "novice medic" and being a master bounty hunter. this causes alot of problems with pvp.
3) you have elite class in combat called a bounty hunter which yes one on one a bounty hunter should 90% of the time come out on top. eye shot is a problem which i agree should either be moved to master bounty hunter or removed for another skill.
4) one thing that 11 post man fails to notice is that some people playing this game may have nevered read any of the star wars book depicking the roles of these classes and that is where the biggest problem is that is why this is becoming nerf wars instead of star wars. just because a person get beat by a different class they come hear and cry nerf. open you eyes this is wars on a computer scale nuthing is fair nor even in war. you think a u.s. commando can be beat by an infantry man . only in the infantry man's dreams. nerfing only causes more problems not fix anything.
5) as for commandos soloing at/st i guess this guy must of not see the back up that the commando had at that battle. i really feel that the devs need to stand up and say this is how it is not well we will do this to keep money coming in. this game has enough bugs that need to be fixed first then worry about what is suppose to be strong classes and what not.
6) this is for the devs so far you guys have been doing a wonderful jobs with the recent patches and stuff but don't keep worring about these complainst cause no one will ever be happy because they got beat by a different class. this is star wars don't keep ruining the game for poeple who busted worked hard to become the classes they became. cause in the long run the more you change a game the more people you will lose. look at the history of rpgs you play them, you strengthen your character, and them you become what you want your character to be. i know what you guys are going through but remeber you can't make everyone happy cause war is war no one is ever happy.
7) and just to let you all know that holler nerf commando i am a BH1-2-2-4 when i was 0-2-2-3 i owned a commando with no problem why cuase if you play it smart anduse that classes weakness which is the range of their specials them a lesser class can to.
8) and some food for thought at-st (light assault vehicle) with glitches of it own still owns one on one a commando.
9) iknow there are other classes out there that needs some looking into but it seems to fall on deaf ears because everyone hollers to much about they got beat by 2 classes that if your in range you should die.their are exploits use by these classe to win not matter what but no one hears these, spamming dizzy attacks, spammingmind poison, spamming eyeshot, spamming at-st, spamming this and that. only thing that seems to be heard is nerf this , and nerf that. some people need to relise this is not like any other rpg and of course there will be weak classes and strong classes. and remember this is not swords and arrows these weapons are guns and rifles. the better the tree you go on the better your reward.
so in closing remember that you are what you choose i you choose a weakclass be ready to die froma higher class. also remember you have 250 (if i remember correctly) to use any way you can. which means in theory you can master 3 and 1/4 trees use them wisely and stop the nerfing cuase you'll never know your class could be next on the list. why not try some constructive writing and help these devs fix what is broken not what is not because you being a master class person getting own by a semi-elite or elite class. this is all i have to say peace and hope you commandos get a break.
oskzzo geist (starsider) BH/CH/medic
that poster which holo replied too (and also holo himself) is utter BS
commandos have powerful weapons, we miss a ton, and we have no defences. by putting commandos on top of the so called 'pecking order' of pvp is just plain moronic - we are NOT pvpers, we are SUPPORT for pvpers
most of the time in pvp i find myself incapped or down. HOW is that so called king of pvp?? hell, it is so EASY to kill a commando its not even funny, unless of course your stupid (ie, get close or dont move). in fact, in pve i find commandos still lacking a great deal - since we have to be very close, we miss alot, or very far (for hvy weaps) + standing still + having long delays in fireing, it is hard to solo any mob that has 7k+ ham (mainly creatures that have fast attacks, armor, etc)
either you take 75% of its hp with a HPBC (which may i add, does RANDOM ham damage), then have to wait 5 seconds, while the beast is already on you..whip out flamer to only miss..then you get incapped - how is THAT overpowered? pistoleers, carbineers, bhs, they get KDs, they get state stuff...hell they can kite the beast
and thats only half of it, if holo now is going to have our damage nerfed with no def bonuses...he's insane - and after the fact that its been posted that the commando dev or pvp dev (hell whoever was named Dan) liked our damage, and was only going to tweak DoT + melee modifer
oh and he also said that our weapons will be recatagorized so they wont be melee as well
Once again
Holo read that, said what he said in that post and then later said, "Hey the combat balance designer said 'commnado damage is just right'" I mean really, if you are only going to read part of something why choose this? Why not choose the part where he says commando damage is 'just right' and leave it there.
Read all of Holo's responses in that thread and when someone says 'commandos are going to be nerfed, I saw it here' just reply with
"scroll down please"
You people aren't even recalling the discussion on this last week on this forum, let alone on that one.