Commando Archive

QUESTION: Why do Proton Grenades look to have worse stats than thermal detonators?

As it stands, looking that the Commando tree, I'm still not 100% sure than anyone needs to do more than dabble to get a lot of the benefits...though the heightened "heavy weapon defense" relative to other professions looks nice (whatever it does).

The vehicle slowdown is nice...but unless the vehicle is, stationary or destroyed in the blast or the slowdown is in fact tremendous (say, to running speed), I don't see getting a second shot at it or its owner.

Also, the base weapon speed of 10 seconds is a bit troubling. Given that we "can't" use specials with grenades, that dps figure likely is accurate, so their dps is much much lower than even the flamer, which has a slightly longer range (of smaller area of effect, I assume). So using the flamer I have greater base DPS, I can use specials with it, sticks a similar flame DOT and I know I can't accidentally blow myself up! I concede the usefulness of the glops, cryobans and imperial detonators (for their state effects), but thermal detonators and proton grenades seem to be of questionable value.

Edit: Hopefully the CU has removed the ability to damage your self with your own grenades, though I haven't tested that, being no where near Commando yet.

Message Edited by Jeren_Sehn on 04-04-2005 03:32 AM

Well, we've not managed to damage ourselves with C12s yet. Which do actually seem to be very useful. And look at it this way. Think of your abilities in both solo/grouped context. Okay, so for that 10 seconds, -you- won't have a very high DPS rate, but you've just KDed everything in a 20m radius for the squad's Carbineer templates to AOE fire the crap out of. Or you just set a large group of players on Fire. The DPS from raw damage is low, but people alsop happen to be, ya know, on fire. Also, remember that cool down times vary. If you use any ability, you have a cool down before you can do anything else, but some abilities can be used sooner than some others. So it might be 10 seconds between nades, but only 5 before you can fire off a Flame Shot...

So far im really diggin the proton carb and all the changes to the commando weapons

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RazerWolf wrote:
Well, we've not managed to damage ourselves with C12s yet. Which do actually seem to be very useful. And look at it this way. Think of your abilities in both solo/grouped context. Okay, so for that 10 seconds, -you- won't have a very high DPS rate, but you've just KDed everything in a 20m radius for the squad's Carbineer templates to AOE fire the crap out of. Or you just set a large group of players on Fire. The DPS from raw damage is low, but people alsop happen to be, ya know, on fire. Also, remember that cool down times vary. If you use any ability, you have a cool down before you can do anything else, but some abilities can be used sooner than some others. So it might be 10 seconds between nades, but only 5 before you can fire off a Flame Shot...

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Again, I concede the usefulness of Imperial Detonators and other grenades with state effects, but why use a low dps thermal detonator or proton grenade, rather than the much higher dps flamethrower? Likely our accuracy is far higher with the flamer (counding in all the general ranged accuracy we pick up, plus the dps is benefitted by all of our weapon speed mods, and we can use specials with it, enhancing the damage even further.

Also, why keep proton grendes on hand at all, since they have worse stats than the lower certed thermal detonators? As I noted, the vehicle effects are only useful is they reduce vehicle speed to a mere crawl...otherwise the vehicle will still get away before you can get a second shot off.

So far, I love the effect of the CU on the non-Jedi professions, so I am not knocking the overall changes to Commando until I've tried them out, but these two kinds of grenades seem oddly out of place.

Edit: I assume, from what I've read, that the flamer thrower still gives us a flame DoT, just like the thermal detonators and proton grenades, perhaps my confusion lies in that being a misreading.

Message Edited by Jeren_Sehn on 04-04-2005 03:42 PM

Edit: Missed out the DH17 Short Carbine, updated the Rocket Launcher.

Message Edited by RazerWolf on 04-05-2005 02:05 PM

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MadDog36 wrote:

I have to say that I am a bit disheartened with the Berserker Rifle. One of the toughest items to get (as well asa heat rifle) and no elemental damage????

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Agreed. Same case with the Tenloss..no extra acid damage. And what about the improved accuracy?

Yeah, bit disappointed with those myself :/

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RazerWolf wrote:
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Everybody wants to see the new toys Though I wish I had a better idea of who could use 'em. Take the Blaster Fist, a weapon they teased us with, among other things saying it would be either a Commando weapon or a hybrid Commando/TK weapon...I like explosions, I wanna know! But looking at the post-CU character builders, as well as looking through all the professions' certs when I'm on TC5, I don't see a certification for it anywhere. Anybody got a clue who can use the lovely thing?

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JadenKatrell wrote:

They all look aswome and cant wait to try them but where is the Underslung Carbine!?!?1

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They haven't done the animations on the Underslung Carbine yet so that will not be coming with the CU as far as I know (but I'm still pushing for it)...

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there are close to 10 weapons found it the .Tres when the others were found that are not in hte CU, including the undersling carbine.