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Thread: Here is a PM I Sent to TH & JustG and TH's Response...

Aalamyen
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:19 pm
#27

Very nice post. I am glad to see some people are actually presenting the problems in a way that makes sense. Because there ARE a lot of whinners on these forums that just scream "I CANT KILL THIS ANYMORE!" and devs dont waste their time with crap like that. This post actually made sense and the response was VERY rude. I totally understand that the devs get A LOT more negative feedback than positive and a lot of ranting BUT THIS LETTER was proposed very formally and calm natured and it spelled out the problems very clearly. I also understand that a lot of other combat professions are worse off than we are and commandos can still have fun, but again his response was completely uncalled for. This only makes me lose more faith in the devs and makes me question why I am returning to commando...



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garvin
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:20 pm
#28

What is most frustrating for me is that that the Dev's have proven then value player opinion...Look at the DE profession...The Dev's proposed a Droid Handler change over...The DE's were against it so the Dev's changed their plans...I did receive another message from JustG that I think was a bit better put together (and a bit less rude), but still doesn't give much more info...


Garvin,

I know your profession has specific questions and views. The devs are working very hard on the Droid Invasion right now, but the combat focus is an ongoing effort as well. I assure you your needs are being considered and addressed. We have 33 professions in this game, and a publish theme, and a dungeon, and cs and qa and stability issues to address each publish. Just because we are not actively posting in your forum does not mean we do not know what is going on with you. Please speak through your correspondent and you will definately be heard.

thx,

- g


I did tell him that our correspondent is occasionally unavailable and that it would be nice if instead of waiting for us to speak through LordS, if we had them visit us on occasion...I'm not asking a lot...just throw us an occasional "we hear you" bone...


BTW...My actions lately (writing to the Dev's and Posting repeated messages incertain forums) are my own and I take full responsibility...Anything I send or receive I will post here as long as I can...I don't actively encourage anyone to follow my actions...I know I could enevitably get myself banned and I'll take my punishment if it happens because I know the fight won't die with me...So if I do get banned for any reason, please do not use it as a platform to attack the Dev's more...That could lead to a place where the Dev's alienate use more...I just want to make sure we are heard this time...Even if I do get banned I will keep watching and I'll wait out my punishment period and return still fighting the good fight...





Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Hellshot
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:26 pm
#29








Garvin,

I disagree with your basic premise - its not a broken profession. Sure it needs to be improved, but its all being addressed in the combat balance, which I have stated over and over again. Besides, its still a fun profession and there are lots of players who like playing commandos, including myself, JustG and a lot of other team members.

If you wanted to have postive discussions, I would engage you, but you guys have to be more positive and stop ranting for the sake of ranting if you expect me to engage you in a dialogue.

th







I think its best to take the hight road here, since getting into a name calling match is not going to help anyone. Also, having read G's letter, I suggest sending things to him as TH seems to be unwilling to have a discussion with us. Further, attach TH's response to what you send. I remember when he was hired he mentioned that he had been overly harsh during pre-beta on the devs regarding multiple character slots, and I feel he is making a similar mistake here.


My response would be:


1) The Heavy acid rile has never worked since launch, rendering this tree broken. Additionally, the default animation is awkward and the animation for acidcone 1 and 2 are broken.

2) Both the HAR and flamethrower weapons can only be used inside 16m, effectively making commando a melee class with some ranged capability. Either changes to reflect this, such as ADDITION of melee defense or mitigation, or replacement of the HAR with an assault rifle, such as the DC-17, would better relflect the hybrid elite nature of this class.

2a) Replacement of BOTH the HAR and Flamethrower with a carbine, a rifle, along with addition of specails for these weapons and the launcherpistol would better reflect the pre-requisites for the commando profession than the weapons that currently exist.

3) Weaponsmiths state in their profession list that "grenades require a balance pass" because "In several cases, the HAM costs of the Proton Grenade (and generally, most other non-C12/C22 grenades) are so high, you end up doing more damage to yourself than you did to your target. Additionally, the Imperial Detonator has a significantly high speed (10-20 after full experimentation), with no better damage than any of the other grenades with 3-6 attack speeds." This renders this tree effectively broken

4)The disposable weapon that we receive the most accuarcy mods for, the rocket launcher costs 1000-1500 cr per shot. While this is not an unatainable amount of money, its a burden that no other class suffers from and causes these weapons to often go unused.

5) Neither grenades or heavy weapons can be used indoors or in caves, nullifying half of the commando skills in upcoming dungeons and other future content.

6)The launcher pistol is the only elite weapon certification that does not receive specials within that profession, forcing people that wish to be proficient with it to take either smuggler or pistoleer. Additionally, this weapons graphics are excessive and can cause significant lag and potentially trigger seizures in players from the sheer intensity.



Add in any other bugs you can think of, I am spent at the moment.

Message Edited by Hellshot on 02-20-2004 12:31 AM



Ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a rocket launcher in your backpack.

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DVAS
Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:19 pm
#30

ok this is what i have to say for the last time Thunderheart doesnt do his job right and hes an assisant so he has to have a boss. Then im gonna call his boss and **edit** like a motha. I pay good money taht i had to work for to play this stupid ass game and to add to that we had to pay for the game, some payed 50 others payed 70 or 80 and we still have to pay for a crapy ass customer service. Thats if you can call it that. I think thunder heart is a horrable customer service rep i have met.


Dont get me started on the jedi stupid ass revamp. this is obivoius wh y would they set a game in a certain "time line" when there was barely any jedi at all if thats true maybe a hand ful of ten.


Second i dont give a rats ass about a profession that only a few people use.


Raptor2k1
Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:38 pm
#31

If you wanted to have postive discussions, I would engage you, but you guys have to be more positive and stop ranting for the sake of ranting if you expect me to engage you in a dialogue.



This is wounding, I've been nothing but positive and constructive, and this is the thanks I get? Not to mention all of the excellent conceptual posts by most of the normal commando population. The only rantings for the sake of rantings that I see here are those crying nerf on the FT (or those royally irritated by the professions current state.)



There is a plethora of constructive and positive posts here (Check out my post on a revamp for the profession for example.)Why are we mocked for doing our best to be positive and constructive? Can we do nothing right in the devs eyes?



I've som other issues with his basic premise on the state of the profession but I'll cover that later. What wounds me more than anything else is that we were all pretty much labled uncooperative, unconstructive people.




Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


Brikker-Sunrunner
Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:48 pm
#32

Every response we get makes me want to more and more switch to the Lovechild TKA/Doctor.



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Medic, Combat Medic, Doctor
Owa
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:48 am
#33






I have recently become a commando on the kettemoor server. I didn't realize what a pain in thecomprehend why a CS Rep like TH would have place a comment as he did. Ive been playing SWG since day one and never heard of a CSR speaking like that. I had no idea that the commandos on the servers were being treated like ***edit*** and held at the bottom of the food chain. I most certainly hope that SOE doesn't keep treating their customers like this. I am here with all of you commandos out there.



--Owa--

Master Commando

Master Smuggler

Retired:MBH/MCH

President
CamOwa Industries
Located Port Valorum, Naboo
RabidEwok2
Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:10 am
#34

That wasn't a very professional response from TH (assuming he wrote it).


I hope they considerably boost the HAR, with like medium-heavy AP, to make commandos at least a two-trick pony.






ZEER
Sith Lord | Hatched May 2004

RamoneAilika
Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:14 am
#35

If this response is truley from TH i feel highley insulted and quite frankly annoyed that a dev could be so arrogent to a paying customer, gavins letter was excellent.

Quite simple solution i'm paying for two accounts every month, i'm am a paying customer. We pay to play a product with are hard earned cash, and we get treated like fools.
My fingure is over the cancel button, i am frankly sick and tired of the lame attidue displayed in the creative process in this game. There are glaring problems with one or two professions being all but god like and over powered.

The game has been out for nearly a year yet the changes that have been made should have be pushed out in release. The game was released to early and it will suffer due to that for at least enoughter year, and quite frankly with other MMORPG's proving more next generation and customer friendly the player base will suffer harshly.

We pay to play this game, if soe representives will not listen then maybe a strongly written letter to lucasarts will cause a change.

Aili



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Aili Burch - Ex member of the ICW
Defected to the rebellion 10/6/04 (infinity)
bAss_ackwards
Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:34 am
#36







RamoneAilika wrote:

The game has been out for nearly a year yet the changes that have been made should have be pushed out in release. The game was released to early and it will suffer due to that for at least enoughter year, and quite frankly with other MMORPG's proving more next generation and customer friendly the player base will suffer harshly.

We pay to play this game, if soe representives will not listen then maybe a strongly written letter to lucasarts will cause a change.

Aili





I believe that the push for the game to be released at that timewas Lucas Arts' urging.



Constructive criticism at its worst!
Hatch_Hazard
Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:50 am
#37

Okay, so who is this TH guy and where does he get his spice, becuase apperntly it's of an incredably high grade batch....



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Phalx
Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:12 am
#38

Now I REALLY don't regret my decision to drop Commando...

I've been a Master Commando for 4 months now. I get laughed at. I get owned. I keep telling myself it'll get better. Not anymore.

TH just re-affirmed my belief that he knows nothing and cares very little about Commandos. Has he TRIED a HAR? Has he USED grenades? Has he HIT ANYTHING with a rocket?

Sure he's "played commando", but what has he done beyond the flamethrower in a closed environment?

I want to hear him say:
1) I can do good damage with grenades
2) The HAR is a viable weapon
3) I CAN hit targets with a rocket.

Until then, TH is worthless for commandos. Period.


Phalx



Phalxion
Lieutenant in the Rebellion
Rebel Underground
Lifylos
Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:14 am
#39

And this is the reason I left this game.



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