Commando Archive

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Dizzey wrote:

Also, was the jedi you tested on using a personal shield generator? That too will reduce the damage of grenades significantly.

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I am assuming you were talking to me. He was not wearing a PSG. I am going to do a couple of more controlled and thorough testing soon and will post the results. I am still backlogged on some other commando tests so I will get to it as soon as I can.

dizzey don't let the nutjobs get you wound up, just because he feels the need to trumpet his video game code of ethics doesn't mean you have to justify yourself. keep on grenading unbuffed players, it's a video game and despite what the radical RP goons think you can do whatever you want.

when curbside preachers tell you that you are living in sin, do you stop and try to explain yourself? no. you laugh and move on.

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SinjenRandall wrote:

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Dizzey wrote:

Uh huh... so.. let me get this straight.... the imperials and rebels are at war.... yet .. for some reason... you seem to think it's unfair for me to kill an imperial?

Well damn... I guess in World War 2 all those American troops that fought the nazis are sons of b1thces cus it wasn't nice of them to kill their enemy... I mean, they should have sat down with the nazi machine gunners and panzer tank commanders over biscuits and tea .. right? Cus that's what happens in war... right?

He was stupid for not killing me.... Rebels and Imperials are at war... kill or be killed. The fact I killed him was a sheer shock to me... I did it to goad him into killing me so I would lose my overt status... I was shocked to see he died instead.

Perhaps you need to pick up a dictionary and re-familiarize yourself with the word... WAR.

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Okay, lets do look at what war means for a moment.

War

1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
2. The period of such conflict.
3. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.

1. A condition of active antagonism or contention
2. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious
   

In this set of definitions, I don't see anywhere that clearly illustrates that war means to "kill or to be killed", as you put it. The closest is a condition of active antagonism or contention, and contention implies seeking resolution.

Now lets look at another definition or two.

rule of engagement

A directive issued by competent military authority that delineates the limitations and circumstances under which forces will initiate and prosecute combat engagement with other forces encountered.

Hmmm.... I didn't make this one up, so it seems that even in war there are delimiting factors in what can or should take place. Of course, that does state competent military authority, of which you are not a member.

Here is another one you probably aren't familiar with:

a·troc·i·ty

1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness.
2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners.
   

Apparently your Dark Jedi knows much more about war than you.

Now, I could continue on with the definitions here, and we could examine warfare and personal integrity and honor for a great deal of time, but I think since you were the one who suggested that we go out and study warfare, that you should be the one to study it first.

And one more thought: fooling your opponent into a sense of false security and then bombing them is not warfare, it is terrorism.

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if someone had told me **edit** cheney played star wars i never would have believed it. look how righteous you are! hate to break it to you cheney, but it's a video game. V-I-D-E-O G-A-M-E

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erikAceman wrote:

Typcial , rebel.

Make me proud to be imperial.

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Hmmm let's see here... since when are rebels the only ones that are dishonourable? trust me both sides have their drawbacks and there is no "typical" rebel, there is the type that you remember as being idiotic and the types that you ignore because they don't even say anything. Imps have the same problem not all of them are idiots but the idiots are the ones you remember.

i get the kill doing whatever it takes. in game that means i'll make you think i'm a doc and sit down to buff you with a bomb droid. i'll wait till you get a sandwhich. i'll group up with you and pretend to go LD while that mob is beating on you, then DB you when you incap, then i'll laugh when you try to project your moral code on me.


and about the grenades, here's the thing... i've now gone up and down each commando line and i gotta say that i feel where the commandos on this board are coming from... it's a busted profession that has the coolest weapons in the game. their attidude isn't that positive and rightly so and it sucks to feel slighted then have someone come on here and say "you are crying for nothing!". (i know that's a bad paraphrase but bear with me)

grenade use, like the other commando weapons are highly situational. if the situation is perfect they can be highly effective. the problem is, in real overt vs overt pvp it's often useless to be a commando. you can make it work, but not like, say, a prepatch BH could make it work. (using that as an example of another profession who's members lament as ineffectual)

i'm on board with you when you say grenades can be very, VERY, usefull against an occupied jedi knight. they are, imo, the profession's best bet right now and my final template for killing jedi will likely include tactics IV since i abhorr melee. jedi killing (i'm a BH) takes up 99% of my pvp though, if i wanted to be viable in other pvp i probably would not be touting grenades. they shouldn't be a weapon that is entirely dependant on the planets being aligned properly. =)

let's articulate a few more things...
blast radius: definately shoudln't damage the user. it happens more often than not when the situation isn't right for a grenade.
damage: imo grenades are a useless weapon against an armored foe. the dps compared to other weapons in the game is simply disgusting.
speed and range: inadequate as well.
ham cost: i'm on board with dizzey... right now ham costs shouldn't be an issue. when the end to the buff train is in sight i'd say they should be but right now, (unless garvin knows otherwise, which he may) it looks like buffs are going to be around for some time. thus if you aren't buffed, you are purposefully making a choice to be less than viable in pvp and perhaps even pve. and imo that's just plain pouting.

i really would like to see commando's get some love. consumeable weapons and demolitions should be the bread and butter of the commando class and the trade off for expense, speed and perhaps inaccuracy should be *astounding* damage. right now with armor, buffs, pvp reduction, food, etc. etc. that's not possible. that being said, you shouldn't be surprised if, in absence of a true fix for the profession, you get flack in here for trying to find a diamond in the rough, it's just not the way the communities on these forums work. "it's not that bad" is tantamount to a flame. is it justified? eh, maybe yeah, it's just how people work.

It may be a cowardly act on Diz's side, but Jedis are very difficult for us to kill and often the element of surprise is the best way to get them- the Jedi profession is supposed to be difficult and we're supposed to make it difficult for them no matter how we do it. I still applaud him for the surprise, the Jedi should have killed him no matter what.

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IForgotMyName wrote:

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erikAceman wrote:

Typcial , rebel.

Make me proud to be imperial.

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Typical jackass,

Makes (Look at that I can use grammar better!) me proud to be a non-PVP player.

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/reported

Its greifers that run the PVP, please read above as perfect examples:

BTW I'm no jedi and I have a 1800 pvp rating, so I dont need to be cheep to get my kills.

Get some class people.

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SinjenRandall wrote:

And one more thought: fooling your opponent into a sense of false security and then bombing them is not warfare, it is terrorism.

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