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Thread: Lol I killed a jedi knight

Oslock
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:22 am
#14

Thats a great story. I mean what sorta dark jedi has mercy? Good job on killing him like that. Maybe next time he will use his brain and attack his enemies on sight. Like any dark jedi would. Hopefully, he learned his lesson. Titles dont mean a d#$m thing.
erikAceman
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:26 am
#15






Getoc wrote:

n1 ......... u got the right attitude friend . take them down on any cost using any tactic ........ im sure they dont like the situation where the content kills the player. but he didn't loose 200k xp just a couple of FRXP






Typical rebel creed, exploit, hack, tripple incap, whatever it takes to be a azzhat.



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Dizzey
Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:30 am
#16

Uh huh... so.. let me get this straight.... the imperials and rebels are at war.... yet .. for some reason... you seem to think it's unfair for me to kill an imperial?


Well damn... I guess in World War 2 all those American troops that fought the nazis are sons of b1thces cus it wasn't nice of them to kill their enemy... I mean, they should have sat down with the nazi machine gunners and panzer tank commanders over biscuits and tea .. right? Cus that's what happens in war... right?


He was stupid for not killing me.... Rebels and Imperials are at war... kill or be killed. The fact I killed him was a sheer shock to me... I did it to goad him into killing me so I would lose my overt status... I was shocked to see he died instead.


Perhaps you need to pick up a dictionary and re-familiarize yourself with the word... WAR.


piezo
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:14 am
#17






erikAceman wrote:




Typical un-honorable rebel, you do not deserve to be a commando.


Get some honor.






Is this guy roleplaying being a jackass?


bravo! good job!





Piezoh
DrPiezo



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Ster
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:46 am
#18

I am a rebel, but I have some mixed feelings about this issue. In my opinion both were roleplaying. Dizzey killed an imp when he had the oportunity. Nothing wrong with that. The DJK showed honor to a non-combatant class. Great quality of character. In my eyes neither did anything wrong, however if I had to choose a side it would be with the DJK.


He could have walked up and killed Dizzey without thinking twice, but didnt. He saw the weaponsmith tag and decided to not kill you just because he could. By killing him when his defenses were down, Dizzey just sent him a message. Not that rebels r0x0r. Not that Commandos are a force to be reckond with, but that he should never be charitable or show mercy again. He will always remember that the last time he showed compashion, he lost a ton of XP for it.


You chalked one up for the good side, nice job. But as far as the timing and how you did it, bad form.



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Ster
Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:18 pm
#19






Dizzey wrote:

Your logic is flawed...


What if I said:


"I put my Artisan tag on while I was overt so that hopefully some imperial overts would think I was no threat and probably just leave me alone or go pick on another "more dangerous" overt person nearby.... then when he turned his back on me, I whipped out my stun baton and walloped him to death easily cus I am a master fencer."


That would be seen as a clever ploy used to trick the enemy.... so what's the difference? If he examined me he would have seen this:


Has mastered TK

Has mastered Carbineer

Has mastered combat medic

Has mastered medic

Has mastered Weaponsmith

Has mastered Brawler

Has mastered pistoleer


If he took a quick second to examine his foe he would have realized I likely still had some significant combat skills left over despite being a weaponsmith (which I do). He made a terrible error in judgment by showing mercy to someone he is at war with...


So.. are you telling me that if you see someone running around overt near coronet but his tag says "Novice Medic" that you wouldn't attack him?


What if a Jedi Padawan is out on Dath killing rancors or something... no players in sight for hours... suddenly, a blip comes up nearby on the radar of another player... the jedi targets him and sees: "Oh.. whew, it's not a bounty hunter... his profession says Novice Chef... I'm safe, I can turn my back to him and go attack those 2 rancors now while he stands 10 feet away from me, cus there's no chance he is a bounty hunter.. his tag says he's a chef."


Are you aware thata "Novice Medic" could very well in fact bea Master TK or Master fencer??


Profession tags mean nothing - if you see someone overt, dont gamble - take himdown and don'tturn your back to him.


Don't misplace stupidy with "honor" with this dark jedi knight.. it was downright dumb of him to "spare" me. If he was smart he would've examined me and saw that I had many mastered combat professions under my belt.... if he were smarter, he would've killed me right away regardless jusrt because I was an overt rebel.


I expect no quarter from my enemy, nor shall I give it.









I am not saying that it might not have been an error in judgement on his part because it obviously was. All I am saying is that if you were roleplaying the enemy you would have attacked him as well, but didnt because you know you would have at least had some trouble. You played the oportunist, which happens a lot in the GCW. I dont begrudge you about it or anything, just saying kicking a man while he is down is nothing to brag about.


In my opinion it would have been better to put more emphasis on the grenade damaging him part instead of the beating down a Jedi that decided not to fight at the time. That's all I was saying.




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Quevey
Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:36 pm
#20

he said he would spare you and you thanked him for doing so.

maybe you havent noticed but theres alot of jedi just killing everything in thier path

you came across a rare moment whether you know it or not.

and theres is such thing as honor on the battlefield.


i also wouldnt brag about feeling smug while taking out a unbuffed player while buffed jedi or not.

maybe goto mos eisley where the noobs start while your buffed and you can feel smug all day.



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Dizzey
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:07 pm
#21

I should note that I was not buffed either.. with my mitigate stats I had 400 health, 400 action and 1100 mind. 2-3 hits would've done me in.


If you must get so prissy over the whole thing, from that respect it was a "fair" fight (his health unbuffed was 900.. so he had an advantage).


You also clearly didn't read what I wrote in the original post.. I did not gloat over the victory, I merely posted how shocked I was to see that grenades are somewhat effective vs jedi and then used that as a platform to help out other commandos gain a better understanding of their own weapons...


You have no idea how many ignorant master commandos I have seen ask me "What the heck is that??" when I fired a Lightning Cannon or HPBC at a critter... these people haven't even seen 2/3 of their own weapons. As a weaponsmith and novice commando I came here to try to help educate the profession and bring a glimmer of light to a group of people who are quite glum.


Thanks to this Jedi's death I began an expansive 10-hour series of tests building various commando weapons and pvp testing them... yet instead I get a bunch of bleeding-heart whiners posting their nonsencial jabbering about how "dishonoroubable" it was for me to kill someone of the opposing faction (I can only assume you are imperial characters in game).


Get your head out from between your legs and try to look at the information I am trying to give commandos regarding grenades and other heavy weapons which they never use (use the link I provided in the above posts of mine to see the thread I started in the GCW forum for commandos).


For god's sake... focus already on the important issue at hand here for Commandos, not some paltry dead jedi. If you're just a bitter jedi and posting here, then grow up.. it was a fluke kill that I take no real pride in (just amazement) but am almost thankful to the stupid imperial jedi because he caused me to begin my extensive testing of commando weapons.


I think the real problem for commandos right now is there are few to no weaponsmiths manufacturing grenades and heavy weapons en masse for them to use- -- which would explain the countless master commandos I have seen who blink dumbfoundedly when they see me shooting with something other than the bloody flamethrower.


Phalx
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:30 pm
#22

Ya know, I tried out grenades against a Jedi knight, and I was quite disappointed. I was using some ~3200 dmg protons. I hit for about 180. 4 of 5 hit, each for about that amount of damage.

Perhaps it was due to the particular Jedi I was facing. But irregardless, that's just insane, and expensive...



Phalxion
Lieutenant in the Rebellion
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SinjenRandall
Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:21 pm
#23





Dizzey wrote:

Uh huh... so.. let me get this straight.... the imperials and rebels are at war.... yet .. for some reason... you seem to think it's unfair for me to kill an imperial?


Well damn... I guess in World War 2 all those American troops that fought the nazis are sons of b1thces cus it wasn't nice of them to kill their enemy... I mean, they should have sat down with the nazi machine gunners and panzer tank commanders over biscuits and tea .. right? Cus that's what happens in war... right?


He was stupid for not killing me.... Rebels and Imperials are at war... kill or be killed. The fact I killed him was a sheer shock to me... I did it to goad him into killing me so I would lose my overt status... I was shocked to see he died instead.


Perhaps you need to pick up a dictionary and re-familiarize yourself with the word... WAR.



Okay, lets do look at what war means for a moment.


War




    1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

    2. The period of such conflict.

    3. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.



    1. A condition of active antagonism or contention

    2. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious


    • In this set of definitions, I don't see anywhere that clearly illustrates that war means to "kill or to be killed", as you put it. The closest is a condition of active antagonism or contention, and contention implies seeking resolution.


      Now lets look at another definition or two.


      rule of engagement
      A directive issued by competent military authority that delineates the limitations and circumstances under which forces will initiate and prosecute combat engagement with other forces encountered.

      Hmmm.... I didn't make this one up, so it seems that even in war there are delimiting factors in what can or should take place. Of course, that does state competent military authority, of which you are not a member.


      Here is another one you probably aren't familiar with:


      a·troc·i·ty



      1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness.

      2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners.

      Apparently your Dark Jedi knows much more about war than you.


      Now, I could continue on with the definitions here, and we could examine warfare and personal integrity and honor for a great deal of time, but I think since you were the one who suggested that we go out and study warfare, that you should be the one to study it first.


      And one more thought: fooling your opponent into a sense of false security and then bombing them is not warfare, it is terrorism.






      Sinjen
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      Quevey
      Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:48 pm
      #24


      lol your very 1st post you state you had 15 minutes left on yours buffs maybe you should reread what you posted.

      here ya go heres a reminder of some of what you posted.


      so I lose overt and only had 15 minutes left on my buffs).

      So I "thanked" him for sparing my life and we stand there waiting for the shuttle... 4 minutes to go... suddenly, his buffs end completely.


      so which is it now make upyour mind lmfao nah i dont wanna learn anything from you thats for sure i have 10 months of master commando under my belt i also pride myself on not being lame thank you very much.

      Message Edited by Quevey on 08-05-2004 06:52 PM



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      SpunkyKuma
      Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:54 pm
      #25

      Quevey you don't make any sense, he said he had 15 mins left on buff but noticed the Jedi's buff went poof and took oppourtunity.

      I would do the same, I've seen someone with a title "Novice Tailor" doing BH missions, you never know what type of people are around you.



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      Dizzey
      Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:37 pm
      #26

      Yes, that was a typo - my buffs had actually ended 15 mins prior to that meeting... which is why I wanted him to kill me in the first place (and expected him to do so since I was easy prey) so I would just lose overt status and could get back to visiting my harvestors without fear of being attacked.


      Regarding the proton hitting for 180... very odd indeed... did he use damage absorbing food perhaps? That would reduce damage a lot...


      However, based on my other tests with HPBCs Acid launchers and Thermal Detonators, I can only conclude that Proton grenade is in fact a poor choice for pvp since it is light armor piercing...


      Thermal detonators do medium piercing and I can only assume that is the reason they are hitting for much much higher damage than all the reports of people using protons.


      I also noticed my thermals are in fact doing more damage in PVE against most monsters than protons (got a master commando to tag along and test out my protons, he got 5 free crates for his 1 hour of time he spent to aid me in testing).


      Protons seem great because of their higher overall damage listed... but it is deceptive... the light armor piercing, I believe, is a severe limitation.


      This would also explain why my HPBC is utterly devastating in pvp (hits for 1,000 damage and up vs people with 90% energy composite armor... note, that 1k damage is total damage inflicted AFTER armor absorbed the initial hit)... the HPBC has heavy armor piercing and similar max damage as a proton grenade... thermal has lower max damage and medium piercing, yet seems more effective than protons.


      Also, was the jedi you tested on using a personal shield generator? That too will reduce the damage of grenades significantly.
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