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Thread: will combat balance help us or just nerf us again?

Ster
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:19 am
#14






Ajo79 wrote:

Everyone will be affected by the CB so its hardly a nerf. Nerf is something done to a single profession that's too strong. I think we all (all combat professions) will be downgraded (not soloing red cons) but also brought to balance.


I think the CB will be great but a lot of people will scream nerf! and troll the forums.








Thats pretty much what I said earlier. I truly think all combat profs are getting a downgrade. For most temploiters out there it doesnt really matter how high the MOB is anymore, it is just a matter of time.



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DukeRith
Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:10 pm
#15






StarNick wrote:

"I dunno guys. I have so many hopes for CB, the glass may go fom being half full to half empty"


Im an Engineer on Valcyn (Master Architect) im also going into Engineering IRL (wether it be software or mechanical..)


To an Engineer....the glass aint half full nor half empty...the glass is just twice the size it's suppoused to be.


CB is gonna dumb down things..like Armour...who knows, maybe the SWG glass is just too big..and the CB is gonna bring it down to where it should be...







incredably well said (from one RL Engineer to another)
TKA-MC
Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:10 am
#16

Be prepared all. With the Combat Balance I fear that Armor also will be effected greatly.



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JackFlack007
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:46 pm
#17

Remember "why" melee profs were made so powerful? That was phase 1 in the Devs removing of Creatures as 'tanks', and replacing them with the players. Phase 2 of removing CH was the beginning of the Combat 'Balance' -- the revamp of the creature tables. (At the time, everyone was screaming "poke-mon in space!" Of course, CH was my 'chosen' long-term profession, so even though I was ticked, I put up with it because everyone was getting 'balanced' - ha!)


About the same time, people were also complaining about Commando's being able to solo Krayts, so everyone was excited that Commando's were nerfed as well. I remember how people were cheering that it wasmuch more 'balanced' tokill those 2 over-powered professions.


But then, rather than continuing on the path to 'balance' the game, the Devs got wind of an interview that Gamespy had been working on with the jedi players, and next thing ya know --- Jedi Revamp is the most important thing in the world! (Gamespy had published an interview w/a Dev who stated that the Jedi players were 'happy' and 'loved' the profession -- a 'white' lie -- so the Jedi players got ahold of Gamespy to set the record straight.)


Of course, what we've seen happen is that while working on re-doing the Jedi systems, the Devs added player buffs, weapon improvements for all melee profs and rifleman, advanced composite armor, and new hi-lvl content that completely negates Commando and CH abilities. Don'tcha just love the fact that nearly every mob in the DWB has AR2 or better, and yet the BH armor is supposed to benefit Commando?Guess I gotta be something other than Commando to get it.


So when the Combat Balance finally arrives will it help us or nerf us again? I don't see how it could nerf us again -- what else could they do to Commando to make it worse? My *guess* is they will bring Commando 'up' some level, and bring others 'down' some level -- my question is will Commando *at least* be comparable?? I can't bring myself to hope it will be elevated to justify the SP cost. Pretty sad outlook, I know, but I've been in this game since Beta 3.



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Feixeno356
Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:39 pm
#18

me too brother me too XD


but nevertheless i'm watchful and hopeful

if we get an assault rifle i'm happy, I don't care if it does 1 friggen damage.

I'm happy



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Dougful
Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:38 pm
#19

It would seem to me that the armor and weapon changes that will be in the CB will be favorable to commandos



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thiostan
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:23 pm
#20

I would think that they should solicit ideas on the CB before they make them. It might be a good idea to discuss these CB changes before they spend all that time coding and them implementing them.


Since they haven't given anyone a clue as to what they propose. . . . . .
garvin
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:35 pm
#21

Well...here is my theory...definitely nothing confirmed...


First you have to take into account that we are waiting for part 3 of a 3 part Combat Balance...Many people either overlook, forget, or didn't know that 2 parts of the Combat Rebalance have already gone through...


In the first 2 parts, some of the professions considered "high powered" saw severe reductions...this included us...and we were told that it would seem like a huge NERF to us at first, but would make more sense when the 3rd part of the CB hit...


So think about it...We feel weak right now and other professions not NERF'd can out damage us...We were NERF'd to supposedly get us ready for the CB...


With all that in mind, my theory is that when the CB hits and the new combat formulas go into effect, all those professions who weren't nerf'd back during the first 2 CB patches will experience a huge over-allpower reduction...but we will stay at the same level...this will put us back as the "high damage" profession comparatively to the other professions out there...


We had our damage reduced/tweaked so that when the Combat Balance hits everyone else, we'll won't see further reductions...


Remember...the CB effects speed and damage formulas...but it also effects HAM costs ANDarmor absorbtion...Think about the damage /flamesingle2 does currently against someone with 80% to 90%heat resistent armor...we feel weak against this...now image after the CB if the same armor only accounts for 50% of our /flamesingle2 damage...that would make us feel that much stronger...


Basically what I'm trying to say is that I think we were NERF'd early so we wouldn't have to be NERF'd when the CB hits...all those who weren't NERF'd will be getting reductions...


But then again, time will tell...





Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

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nerfherder321
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:44 pm
#22

considering SOE's past record... id say the second option is a pretty close thing to what we will actually get... but since they always delay their patches... we wont have to worry for a long... long LONG time




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