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Thread: RE: TH's Latest Post Regarding the State of the CB

SioBabble
Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:09 pm
#14


On majorproblem is the most talented, most capable members of the dev team no longer work on the live game. They work on JTL exclusively, that's where the emphasis from management is.


The result is that the live game is getting the short shrift, in terms of paying actual attention to its major issues, and frankly the lavish attention paid to one profession above all others doesn't count, not when core systems have had issues with them since beta and they've been ignored in favor of PR blitzes that are a lame attempt to use a Jedi mind trick on people who are not weak minded.


Management, however, is concerned; that's why we're seeing all these 14 day free trials in the hopes that it will generate enough new subscriptions to offset those who have been around for a while who are becoming more and more disgusted with the apparent lack of progress. The SWG management team has a problem, and they've had it for a long time. Once you've done the profession grind, there's not much to do unless you've joined a PA and you're here for the social interaction.They've got the makings of a great game, but apparently do not have the willpower or the inclination to follow up. Because they're too busy being Ferengi.


It's time for someone to bring in someone to motivate Moff Jerejerod and get him back on schedule.

Message Edited by SioBabble on 07-15-2004 03:18 PM




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Curgenven
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:14 pm
#15

And if TH really wants to help, he can give us the $15 a month back for the next few months

/rant off

Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Garhhhghghpf

There, I'm calm again now.
SioBabble
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:26 pm
#16



This is frankly amazing.


The entire thread of the announcement of the combat balance delay has been deleted.


It's gone.


(on edit) apparently, it's been locked, and in the locking process, I couldn't access it.


But it's locked now. The response was, shall we say, not very TH or SOE friendly, as might be expected.


(on edit again) now it's unlocked. Garvin, you might want to update your first message; the link is going to a deleted message. I think they're scrambling at SOE right now.

Message Edited by SioBabble on 07-15-2004 03:33 PM

Message Edited by SioBabble on 07-15-2004 04:27 PM




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Sio Babble MBH/MCH/Cabana Boy; master of Tyson, the GNORT OF DEATH

Jeffn Akbar Nerfed from here to Lok MD/MCM

Zanti Agaesia Bothan MBE, 12 point Master Chef, Havoc Squadron Ace pilot


SuperTurbo
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:01 pm
#17


Garvin,


When the wish list is ready to be sent ot TH, make sure it's very, very specific. Otherwise, we would get nothing we wanted.


Don't just state "Up the defense". State specifically, change +25 range/melee defense in Master box to +60 range/melee defense.


First thing to start is to give us back our old Flame DOT's power. Complete armor ignoring.


2. Double, heck triple our defense and give us lots of state defense. We are suppose to be the tanks. Real soldiers.


3. Make our non-disposible weapons AP2 at the min...

Message Edited by SuperTurbo on 07-15-2004 04:03 PM



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Ster
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:36 pm
#18

Garvin, I will start out saying that me being upset is an understatment and that it is not directed at you.


I am sick to death of their excuses. I am sick to death of their lack of vision when it comes to what is "best" for the game. There are people that play much much more than any DEV possibly could and yet they will not listen to many of them. I will revert back to my previous statements about the jedi publishes. What they just said by doing this is one thing; The jedi are more important than any of the other professions and therefore do not have to wait till after JTL for their TWO publishes. Two Garvin. Now before this starts looking like a Jedi bashing post lets switch gears.


I was in beta like a lot of the long time people here. I have not been waiting since publish 7 or 8 for my fixes. I have sat through it all. The nerfs, the slaps in the face, the non-recognition of our problems. Why have I? Because I am a sucker thats why. This is just plain pathetic and you know it. You will try to put a positive spin and yes there is some positives, but this is ridiculous. They have done absolutely nothing for us since launch except nerf. The HAR fix... who cares. Where is our "Heavy Weapons." I think they gave all of those to the rifleman right? Where are our SEAs? Oh right... they decided we didnt need them at launch. How many publishes have we gone without anything but nerf this and that? You know why the DEVs dont visit us Garvin? Because they know they have done nothing but hurt us and have nothing to say but "Woops."


As for them really wanting to help us and knowning our problems, it doesnt matter too much. I work at an engineering firm and talk to customers with multi-million dollar projects on a daily basis. They dont care if you want to help them. They dont care why it is going to be tough to do. They dont care if you spend 80 hour weeks working on it. All they want is results and guess what, the DEVs havent given us a single bit of saidresults. Excuses after excuses are rampant. We are past a year without a single bit of a result.


People are not happy. SWG is not the only game in the market. They put all of their people on JTL because it is their last hope to get a large group of new players into the game plain and simple. They arent doing it for the players so dont kid yourself with that. They know the sound of money and guess what so do I. I have sat through thick and thin. And right now... I just fell.




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garvin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:56 pm
#19

I know nobody blames me for any of this (at least I hope that correct *gulp*)


To be completely honest, I don't agree with SOE's game plan here and I think it's a marketing nightmare (unless we see fixes IpredictJTL's initial sales will hurt thanks to frustration levels)...Don't even get me started there...


Pretty much all of the Correspondents expressed concern when we first heard the news...and our reactions just about identically matched all of your reactions...but it was pretty much put to us "this is the plan...the plan isn't going to change...but here is what we can do in the meantime with your help..."


So instead of being pissed off about the 5th or 6th time the CB has been delayed, I'm turning all my focus to Publish 11's "Correspondent Issues Addressed"...


Already the air has changed...TH has changed...instead of responding to us over and over "wait for the CB", he now asking for what he can do for us BEFORE the CB...that actually went a long way to ease some of my tension over this announcement...


Yes...I'm still upset...I'm a Commando...that's what I play...and I want our fixes sooner rather then later...when JTL comes out I'm still going to be a Commando...I'm still going to be lighting things up and making big booms...I know where my priorities are...and if I can't get the CB to come soon, I'll turn my focus on where I can get us any and all fixes possible...you all have my promise on that...



Garvin Lansdowne
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StarNick
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:58 pm
#20

One word...and I shallnt use it lightly...


DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!


If the jedi dont murder the devs..I Will!


<Meditates and recites the Jedi Code...> Ok got that outa my system...Ok...Ive been waiting over a year myself for this type of balance to combat...I can wait another 3 months...


<Loud Godly, Booming Voice> HOWEVER


The devs, BETTER, and I do mean BETTER have some commando implents in store for us very soon...The ONLY thing that im disastified with this recent announcement is that the devs were afraid to touch us before the CB - hence why we didnt get anything when we needed to....yet they keep delaying! And not throwing badly needed in changes while doing so (same for other professions in our state)....BUT unlike just throwing some nice changes like the master defenses...EVERY bloody thing we need changed requires a REVAMP...not just a simple change like something with CM and BH they recently implented.


Commandos need drastic changes..and Garvin, the things you proposed up in your initial post ARE drastic changes that requires ALOT of work to implent...to be honest, I HIGHLY doubt we are not going to see most of it until the actual CB....


UNLESS...big unless...the CB has turned to formulas, new defences, *new* things that involve how combat is changed..NOT professions...for example, the CB will change the damage formulas for our Flamethrower....BUT not implenting a new Rifle Butt melee special. If this will be the case (which I doubt it isnt) Then hell yeah, delay the CB....at least Buffs and armour will remain as is for another 3 months...







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StarNick
Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:03 pm
#21

However....at least Im getting married on Saturday....escia and I will be very...ermm...occupied for a while so...it aint -that- bad :-)


*Ahem*


New Topic...but....hmm...


On saturday's wedding Garvin....-if- the devs you've been harrassing to come..do come...lets shoot em



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Leitor
Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:47 pm
#22

I was once told, 'good things are worth waiting for'......and I am waiting (still waiting). Thanks for the update and positive input Garvin.



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Curgenven
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:13 pm
#23

There is a limt to how long you can legitimetly wait for though, mind youm there are those odd guys out and about constantly proclaiming that the end is nigh. Do you think they work for SOE too?
Wolfmann31
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:17 pm
#24

So tired.....So very very tired.


This commando just feels like going to sleep and not waking up again. The big boom fireworks were fun, but being so useless to my unit...And not seeing a light in the end of the tunnel....


I just dunno any longer. I love commando...but..Why bother? Why be a gimp with no hope for the next 3 to 12 months?.....


Keep up the good work Garvin, I just..well..I just lost hope.




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kamikon
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:51 pm
#25

I was going to stay quiet about this but I simply can't. My Commando sits lifeless at the mining outpost wishing for a better day or game.


This announcement is total BS. If SOE's focus is on JTL how do we know that after they release JTL their focus won't remain there???


In other words I see a JTL Publish 1 coming before the combat rebalance at this pace and thats a disgrace.


Sothey string us along to keep us hooked andspend 29 dollars on Space Ships and then release the combat rebalance. **edit** do flamethrowers have to do with Starcraft I do not know.


Yes, I know that JTL won't be a requirement for it but the effect is that it should be our priority to focus on that and accept the delays. No thanks.


And as far as the devs not having enough help or whatever. Guess what???


Thats not the customer's freaking problem and its not yours either. We pay good money every month for a service that is not being rendered. Give us some results or put people in place that can deliver. How hard is that to figure out?


I DO feel sorry for a dog that gets hit by a car, or a child that scraps her knee. IDON"T feel sorry for a dev or programmer or whatever you call it who goes to work like alot of us do and are expected to DO THEIR JOB.


Guess what If I wentto work and promised to deliver results around xmas or next year for stuff that is expectedfairly quicklyI'd be fired.


We are the customer. Deliver the goods.


Sporatic nerfs, fixing Droid Engineer and then Image Designer and Jedi and then OHHHHH BTW the rest of you can wait till the end of this year or next year is


NOT ACCEPTABLE


Forget the Combat rebalance they need a PRIORITY REBALANCE.





Derp-on-Flurry
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:12 pm
#26

Garvin makes many good points, unfortunatly they've been the same points since the day we all noticed commando isnt what we all expect & its just that, We expect Commados to reflect the name they own, many post clearly define what a commando is to websters etc.


We have a good chance for Vital Fixes & its ruined by alot of non-commando rs who want to see us worse off & then there are the few who actualy think that Commando needs more help as a single professoin, which is true. But with other professions mainly Teras Kasi so readily at your finger tips that it would almost be a crime not to pick it up for the defensive aspect of playing.


With my equipment the wait after a flamespecial is less than two seconds depending on which I choose to use. however the wait on Overcharge2 is more like 4-5 seconds, These are waits that commando should by-pass & should be mods that come with Novice Commado & or MasterMarksmen (which is not a re-req for commando but a Skill that BH & Commando have & that's the way the DEVs look @ it. But none of us because simply Marksmen reeks.) I think alot of the Vital Fixes that would make commando happy would also effect other aspects of the game & the developers are reluctant about having another Chef Re-Vamp take the game places very un-expected.


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