Commando Archive

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Derp-on-Flurry wrote:

You all cry because you have no Jedi, if you had worked hard, You'd have one.I knowpeople who spent the last 3-4 weeks starting from scratch, who unlocked with time to spare, you all knew & know the system,But refused becauseit is "BS" and notfair that I can do it in 10 professions and some else in 32 of to which I agree.

Stop complaining.

Just my Two Cents

P.S. Dont talk like "Rebels" are the only ones playing with their Jedi, I saw the usual Suspects(imperial regularsto the Overt movement)in Coronet with some Jedi friends.

Honestly did you expect a whole year to pass only seeing one or two Jedi (friends) sit around? Jedi is sapposed to be part of starwars, as much as "Space" it self, and to think that you'd not see one Jedi fight in a whole year, knowing where to look or not is a Joke and that Jedi Dont hide in the movies, they walk around MosEisley telling STs that these arent the driods they're looking for and then they cut your arm off for talkin isht to their little friends!

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While I cant speak for all I will say that my comments are not out of jealousy. A matter of fact I spent a ton of time online helping 3 people get their slot opened in time. More than enough time onlinefor me to unlock one myself.

That being said, it isnt that much work. I grinded two through merchant and one through almost all of the crafting. Grinding is a mindless piece of cake. (like you said... 3-4 weeks?) It isnt that much of an accomplishment when you didnt do anything "Jedi like" to get it. Just spend time online and thats it. The hardest part is the invest tree. (Which I didnt have to do and appluad those that did it. Terrible xp.) The point here is that you are viewing the whole of us as "Jedi haters" and "Jealous non-jedi." What I have to say to that is get off your high horse and listen to what the sane people have to say.

Think about it this way. How long have jedi been around as a relatively sized player base? A couple of months? Commando has had a single working tree since launch. (not inlcuding the months that I was in beta) Yet the complaints of the jedi were heard and immediately set straight with two full publishes. Is this jealously? Or is it just trying to figure out why the DEVs are catering to the few instead of the many. I actually have the answer to that; marketing. Jedi sells so they make them as good as they can. Simple fact and I dont blame them. They are out to make money.

Look I am not setting out to flame, but I am sick and tired of the people using the jealousy excuse for a problem that is far from it.

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Derp-on-Flurry wrote:

You all cry because you have no Jedi, if you had worked hard, You'd have one.I knowpeople who spent the last 3-4 weeks starting from scratch, who unlocked with time to spare, you all knew & know the system,But refused becauseit is "BS" and notfair that I can do it in 10 professions and some else in 32 of to which I agree.

Stop complaining.

Just my Two Cents

P.S. Dont talk like "Rebels" are the only ones playing with their Jedi, I saw the usual Suspects(imperial regularsto the Overt movement)in Coronet with some Jedi friends.

Honestly did you expect a whole year to pass only seeing one or two Jedi (friends) sit around? Jedi is sapposed to be part of starwars, as much as "Space" it self, and to think that you'd not see one Jedi fight in a whole year, knowing where to look or not is a Joke and that Jedi Dont hide in the movies, they walk around MosEisley telling STs that these arent the driods they're looking for and then they cut your arm off for talkin isht to their little friends!

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The jealousy excuse is pure projection on the part of the person using it.

The fact of the matter is, Jedi don't exist in this timeframe except in hiding. They are believed extinct by the overwhelming majority of beings in the Galaxy. Their religion is considered quaint and antiquated.

Jedi should be rare and special. Instead, they're as common as dirt, many of them are powermongering asshats, and besmirch the name Jedi by their presence. The Jedi system in this game is based entirely on combat, and as a result is distorted from anything seen in the movies. The Light Jedi Council will look a lot likea middle school cafeteria seating arrangement. The Dark Jedi system will actually make some sense, but would make a lot more sense if defeat meant death to the character.

The devs gave up on "organic Jedi population control" when the powergamers whined that all their "work" was being lost when they died. I'll grant you that it's pretty unfairfor a character to die permanentlybecause of net connection failures, or a client crash, or some server-side bug. It's unfair for a regular character to die, but I was told outright by a CSR that nothing could be done when I was unjustly hit with decay when a server side glitch respawned me in the world with a plains stalker at my throat. However, even when they were told that the path would be difficult, they whined enough to get it made easier for them. And look at the results of this caving in to a handful of players.

That decision means that there is no population control, even if the BH system was working, and it's hopelessy borked and forgotten. The result is usually up to a dozen Jedi guardians(often controlled by powergamers with an appetite for griefing) on each server, and dozens of lesser Jedi openly walking the streets of the major cities. So much for a recreation of the atmosphere of the first three films.

There are some Jedi who try, valiantly, to roleplay Jedi. The vast majority, I've observed, have no more use for roleplaying than a fish does for a bicycle. They're in it for the power. They had no use for roleplay before they unopened their FS slots, and they have no more use for it now.

Roleplay needs to be FORCED on Jedi, and the devs had it right the first time, with TEF and permadeath. Jedi of all stripes should be in hiding, in remote areas of planets, not opening walking the streets of Theed, Coronet, or Bestine. This game is not about the Jedi. It's about the extras in the first three films.

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SioBabble wrote: Jedi of all stripes should be in hiding, in remote areas of planets, not opening walking the streets of Theed, Coronet, or Bestine. This game is not about the Jedi. It's about the extras in the first three films.

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Here here...I've been saying that since the 3rd jedi came on our server...but alas, the marketing head will prevail and the powergamers will have all the power...this game is about the people of the galaxies...Hence the name STAR WARS: GALAXIES....and this timeperiod and jedi don't mix in the storyline....but then again does half the other stuff in this game fit in with the story line?

I have no jedi, want no jedi, and if I did I would play KOTOR. That being said, it is about the story. There are not suppossed to be Jedi in this timeline. Okay, got it, been beat around enough. Throw that out the door.
Jedi, in the books and the movie are protectors and peacekeepers. They do not randomly run past you in a dungeon killing everything in sight. They don't openly advertise their powers in starports. They don't inject smart remarks just for fun. They are mistrusted by half the population and blamed for most problems.

Jedi in this game(most, not all) run around bragging, showing off, and generally making a mockery of the jedi title. So you mastered 32 professions, so what. Not to be blunt but so what. That is how you chose to play the game. That is not an entitlement to rant and rave and cry and whine and generally ruin the Star Wars atmosphere for the rest of the people. Nobody made you do it. Part of the blame lies strictly with the devs for allowing jedi to be in this game anyway, without some way to keep the population down. As said earlier, not all jedi fall in this catagory, and it blows over to others as well. I have heard smart remarks come out of every profession; however, there is just something wrong about a jedi running around and cursing and generally acting like a 6 year old.

I have no problem with most people in this game, and even though I strongly dislike the idea of this era of the game being distorted this much, jedi pay their money as well. I just wish they had penalties for showing off. I would love to see two of them showing off in Coronet and in walks Vader and around 100 ST's.

Enough of my ranting. It is just a game and suppossed to be fun. I will go home from work, log in, and play as usual. Have fun gaming.

Llew

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Derp-on-Flurry wrote:

You all cry because you have no Jedi, if you had worked hard, You'd have one. I know people who spent the last 3-4 weeks starting from scratch, who unlocked with time to spare, you all knew & know the system, But refused because it is "BS" and not fair that I can do it in 10 professions and some else in 32 of to which I agree.

Stop complaining.

Just my Two Cents

P.S. Dont talk like "Rebels" are the only ones playing with their Jedi, I saw the usual Suspects(imperial regulars to the Overt movement) in Coronet with some Jedi friends.

Honestly did you expect a whole year to pass only seeing one or two Jedi (friends) sit around? Jedi is sapposed to be part of starwars, as much as "Space" it self, and to think that you'd not see one Jedi fight in a whole year, knowing where to look or not is a Joke and that Jedi Dont hide in the movies, they walk around MosEisley telling STs that these arent the driods they're looking for and then they cut your arm off for talkin isht to their little friends!

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Some one has said something that sums things up. The likes of this moron should read carefully.

The following was posted on the jedi forums in the thread "Could some one tell me why the very sight of jedi ruin the game"

"The problem you do not understand is because you are more adhearing to your FUN and from your point of view having a jedi means that there is nothing wrong with altering the very thing the rest of the player who picked this game up for the Immersion factor and what it was offering initially. The ability to play a character in an RPG based on a Timeline that is established by a set of movies where the very existance of what your character is, is out of whack with that very timeline the game is set in. See according to the timeline and the movies (if you have watched them), The only Jedi left should be Yoda. Luke is not more then an Initiate or an untrained padawan in essence. Leia is FS but that has not been discovered by us and her just yet. The Jedi were already whiped out and the only others who followed it's teachings are Darth Vader a former jedi Knight and now Dark Lord of the Sith and his master The Emperor. Who we know little about except that he is the Sith Dark Master.

Thus we have a bit of a dilema, as time advances And in this game it is supposed to be inbetween movies a new hope and the Empire Strikes Back we are faced with a serious Problem, accuracy and the rewritting of history.

Yoda set the record for us in a later date stating that when he is gone the last of the jedi Luke would be. Wel if he's the last how can all of you exist?

see the dilema? If there is supposed to be a Return of the Jedi (Luke and specifically Anakin) then how can that take place if the jedi are already here and have reformed their own councils?

Why did Vader not hunt them down? what about the Emperor? what about the rest of the Empire? do you see that NOT everyone wanted to be a jedi, there are more Star Wars fans that bought this game based ont he fact it was STAR WARS. and they wanted to be in that timeline and have a part, be a unkown Bobba Fett type character, or Bossk, etc....

But instead there is this inconsistancy and rewritting of an established timeline which alters it for us Roleplayer who picked up this game to Roleplay as it was suggested this game was. A Role Playing Game that takes place in an accurate timeline in the Star wars Universe that was already established. This is where the dilema is and where it leaves for us who realize what this timeline represents a sour taste when we see something SO OUT of synch woth what we grew up and loved.

We grew up with only Luke and Vader.... not Mace Windu, a young Obi-wan etc... we sa the original saga and admired it for what it was the story of redemption. The return of someone so far down a road of pain and sorrow to a status of freedom.

It is this story and timeline we admired and this timeline that was butcherd for us for the sake of a few people a minority of players. I pay the same amount of miney as you, it's not fun for me to see the caressing that the profession you have is given when i pay just as much as anyone else, more in some cases because my wife plays as well and i pay for three accounts between us to utilize them and build them to where we want to be to have fun as well. We are now denied that same fun because of a major inconsistancy and lack of respect for us paying the amoun we pay and not getting the same attention on our respective professions.

Do you see the problem? many people feel ripped off, for the benefit of a few.

Many people were lied to, told they could casually game and eventualy become jedi, how many casual gamers are jedi?

it was a carrot on a string tactic to get them to keep playing, and one that was used to tug them along and avoid fixing the problems with their profession so the devs could continue to focus on their pet project, the butchering of the timeline and the destroying of the Star Wars feel altogether. There are several other titles out there that support the role of jedi, this game never needed them, it was more fun with out them in it.

Sincerely,

Olepi"

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Nuke67 wrote:

unless SOE gives in and grants Jedi force piloting skills

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