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Thread: Updated List of our Current Issues

nbd9k
Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:26 am
#14

Ironically, at this point ive been throughly distracted by the JTL beta, and im not sweating any of this stuff anymore.


hey garvin, one thing i have noticed though is that the beta gets a Huge amount of attention. i expect this since its just about ready for release, but ive seen a wider variety of DEVs posting in there than across the restof the SWG forum since i started playing. The last DEV post i can recall in our own forum was byTH way back in april or may. I know we have some love from Tiggs comming up, and i know DEVS dont like to post because people start flaming and ranting, but it seems to me just hearing from them a bit more really helps generate an over all positive attitude.


My perspective: on the beta server, i complain about someting that detracts from game play, and one DEV or another responds on the thread. by the next patch, the issue has been addressed, at least in some form (though not always exactally how i thought it would be).


If they can have that kind of turnaround for the beta, why not for the restof the game, where problems have been discussed for over a year?


tell me someone else sees this logic, and im not crazy.
garvin
Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:36 pm
#15


Look Weiss...I don't want to get into a rant war with you...but you are really missing a lot of things and your anger is fueled by obvious frustration...






And I really don't care what you, or anyone says Garvin, the last what, 6 months have been nothing but Jedi/bh. You don't have a problem with that? You told me once, that Jedi is such a hard thing to do... Oh yeah really. Well the've had 7 decent sized jedi/patches lately... with the only non jedi/bh thing being furniture you can store stuff in.






First off...there have been 2 big Jedi Publishes...Part 1 & Part 2...then that was followed by many mini-publishes that focused on fixing and enhancing those 2 big Jedi Publishes...When the Revamp comes around in a big Publish or 2 (or 3) I'd EXPECT there also to be several mini-publishes making various needed adjustments...to think otherwise would just be plain ignorant of the scale an MMO works on...


Jedi HAD to be done prior to the revamp...let me repeat that again...JEDI HAD TO BE DONE prior to the revamp...Why? Because 1) that's how the Devs had it scheduled...2) It had to be set up properly so it could ALSO be balanced with the Revamp...How stupid would it have been to do the Revamp, then redo Jedi? It could have ended up screwing up the whole Combat Balance...Better to balance ALL professions at the same time rather afterwards...it's very simple logic...


It's also safe to assume, from the Devs track record as of late, that we will see as much or even more attention paid to the Revamp as was paid to Jedi and JTL...Notice they are moving project to project...I'm not sure if you are in the JTL Beta Weiss (don't say if you are) but anyone in it can see the Devs are kicking ass with all their hard work...I've seen more Dev posts on JTL issues and answer questions then I have collectively over the last year...And they are having patches coming out at astronomical speed...It's amazing so far what they've accomplished...And that's the type of attention I see coming to the Revamp...






I count 11 different "State of Commando" threads on the first page alone... Oh and thats not including the "revamp" threads and the rifle/commando threads. Sure I gave a sh*t like two months ago, but after realizing nothing has changed after year... well it gets old. After 2 months of being in this profession forums it's been the same ol' sh*t... and not even the helpfull stuff. I have posted nothing but constructive posts here which have almost all been ignored, and especially by theprofession CORRESPONDANT... sure Iunderstand you're notposting 24/7 but sheesh...






11? What are your seeing that none of the rest of us are...I see different threads on our Top5, Different Assignements, A Profession Summary, A State of the Profession, An Update List of all our Issues, A new Commando, as well as other various topical discussions...Looking at all of them (and believe me, I read every single post in our Forum) I only see one State of the Profession...


Nothing has changed in over a year...that statement makes me think that either you haven't been playing the whole year or you've been asleep...Commandos have seen TONS of changes over the year...We've gone from crap out of Beta to being pumped up (our golden age) to being brought way down, to having several fixes go in and the Melee 2.5x Damage bonus removed, as well as other things...I suggest before you make such an uninformed statement again you go back and re-read some of this communities earliest posts...go back to when our FT only did a max of 200 damage...I think that changed a bit, don't you? Click Here to see our out of Beta FT...


I've read you posts and I've tried to respond to as many as I can...but at the same time, I can't and DON'T respond to all posts...Why? Well for one thing, I like to see how the community responds to many of the posts first (remember, I'm representing the community so to best judge community opinion I have to OBSERVE)...I try to respond as much as possible though without over-shadowing other's opinions...


I also don't respond when other's have said exactly what I'd would advise (or said it better)...We have a great community here...Often times I could easily respond to a question or comment, but someone else here beat me to the punch with some great advice or a good response...


I try to NEVER respond tothreads that are purely for the sake of ranting or to promote flaming...I'm not saying any of your posts were like that, but I've learned that my response won't fix anything...only actions will fix their outlook...my response would just probably add more fuel to the fire or "I'll believe it when I see it" replies...


Lastly, sometimes I don't respond because really, I don't know the answer and I don't want to just blow smoke up people's behinds...I will usually try to go find the answer instead of replying right away...and I can only respond if the answer comes...would you prefer that I respond to every post like that with "I don't know" just so everyone could say "Garvin responded to my post...yay for me"...


I'll try and be better on my responses if that will help...I apologize if you felt you had something important that I missed responding to...I don't mean to ignore anyone...Being a Correspondent takes a lot of my time...Not many people realize this, but between the docs I've been writing, the site I built, the other various things TH and the other Devs have us Correspondents working on and testing, I haven't logged into my main account and just played in over a month...the only time I've been in game is just testing things or grabbing images...I've even missed the last few weeks of JTL Beta...how much does that suck?






And then there of course comes the never-ended "hints" by devs, other peeps, and profession corrs (Garvin)... After all this time guys you haven't been able to put a damn thing out... it really sickens me to the bone. Just so we payfor a little bit more huh? Do I need to say more than, BATTLEFIELDS, GCW, COMBAT BALANCE, GLITCHES, EXPLOITS, JEDI, BH, SPACE, CONTENT, BALANCE, ETC...






I'm always ready to jump on the Devs when they aren't performing well, but I think you are way off here...Give them their due...they have closed TONS of Exploits over the last few months alone...They've also added tons of new items and fixes into the game...Commandos aren't the only profession out there...Bounty Hunters alone got some nice WELL DESERVED love recently...Droid Engineers got some nice love awhile back...Armorsmiths and Wookies got some nice love a recently....Jedi of course got some serious love as well as the rest of us did as well just by getting the Force Sensitive option added to the game (that EFFECTS all of us)...There are tons of examples I could continue to give...If we want other professions to respect any love we get in the future, we have to respect the love they get when they get it...If we had gotten all our fixes instead of Jedi, don't you think there would be someone just like you over there saying the same stuff about how the game is all Commando and they are being ignored...


This post is already long enough...so I'll stop my babbling here...the only advice I can give you is take a break...I hope we still see you around when the Revamp does come through for us...


Message Edited by garvin on 10-09-2004 12:39 AM

Message Edited by garvin on 09-21-2004 12:41 AM



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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RankorCity
Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:51 pm
#16


Just some of my own ideas:


24) As Commando's should be in the front lines of a base assault, they should be foremost involved in a factional base defense. To give Commandos an added incentive to the GCW, make turrets controllable by Novice Commando and higher - i.e. - Novice Commando gets cert'd for small block, midway up hvy weaps the cert of med turrets, and Master gets cert'd for Large


25) Ranged defenses (like melee defenses)are not on par with skill point expenditure, as well as a complete lack of any defense vs stun/blind/dizzy/intimidate.


26) In my view, the Commando should be an agile, hard hitting,fast profession. The Commando receives no terrain negotiation, vs a Combat Medic thatreceives +50. This should be a benefit of the Field Tactics tree.


27) In view of the unarmed IV requirement, Commandos should receive at the very least melee mitigation 1, as smugglers receive this attribute via their unarmed IV requirement (if memory serves)


28) Commando receives as much as half the speed and accuracy of other ranged professions, yet has a skill point expenditure approx 75 percent more.


29) Heavy Weapons speed modifies in the Heavy Weapons tree are not linear. Certifications for HW should either come in Novice Commando, or the first box, with applicable speed and accuracy modifiers staggered until Master (+10, +15, +20, +25 for speed, as example)


30) Commando is the only prof whose speed and accuracy modifier bonuses actually drop at the highest tiers (+25 FT accuracy at FT III, yet +15 at FT IV).


31) Commando has 13 profession specific weapons (I think), not including prerequisite weaps)with8 working specials (four of which are clones).


32) Commando receives no additional specials that can be applied to ANY weapons in its rerequisite trees


Thats about all I can think of right now, that you havent already put in...But its late, I just got finished grinding Jedi for 2 buff sessions, and I have had a few beers...LOL


33) Edit - COMPLETE LACK OF AP CERTIFIED WEAPONS!!

Message Edited by RankorCity on 10-09-2004 02:52 AM



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WeissHengst
Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:20 pm
#17






garvin wrote:


Look Weiss...I don't want to get into a rant war with you...but you are really missing a lot of things and your anger is fueled by obvious frustration...






And I really don't care what you, or anyone says Garvin, the last what, 6 months have been nothing but Jedi/bh. You don't have a problem with that? You told me once, that Jedi is such a hard thing to do... Oh yeah really. Well the've had 7 decent sized jedi/patches lately... with the only non jedi/bh thing being furniture you can store stuff in.






First off...there have been 2 big Jedi Publishes...Part 1 & Part 2...then that was followed by many mini-publishes that focused on fixing and enhancing those 2 big Jedi Publishes...When the Revamp comes around in a big Publish or 2 (or 3) I'd EXPECT there also to be several mini-publishes making various needed adjustments...to think otherwise would just be plain ignorant of the scale an MMO works on...


Jedi HAD to be done prior to the revamp...let me repeat that again...JEDI HAD TO BE DONE prior to the revamp...Why? Because 1) that's how the Devs had it scheduled...2) It had to be set up properly so it could ALSO be balanced with the Revamp...How stupid would it have been to do the Revamp, then redo Jedi? It could have ended up screwing up the whole Combat Balance...Better to balance ALL professions at the same time rather afterwards...it's very simple logic...


It's also safe to assume, from the Devs track record as of late, that we will see as much or even more attention paid to the Revamp as was paid to Jedi and JTL...Notice they are moving project to project...I'm not sure if you are in the JTL Beta Weiss (don't say if you are) but anyone in it can see the Devs are kicking ass with all their hard work...I've seen more Dev posts on JTL issues and answer questions then I have collectively over the last year...And they are having patches coming out at astronomical speed...It's amazing so far what they've accomplished...And that's the type of attention I see coming to the Revamp...






I count 11 different "State of Commando" threads on the first page alone... Oh and thats not including the "revamp" threads and the rifle/commando threads. Sure I gave a sh*t like two months ago, but after realizing nothing has changed after year... well it gets old. After 2 months of being in this profession forums it's been the same ol' sh*t... and not even the helpfull stuff. I have posted nothing but constructive posts here which have almost all been ignored, and especially by theprofession CORRESPONDANT... sure Iunderstand you're notposting 24/7 but sheesh...






11? What are your seeing that none of the rest of us are...I see different threads on our Top5, Different Assignements, A Profession Summary, A State of the Profession, An Update List of all our Issues, A new Commando, as well as other various topical discussions...Looking at all of them (and believe me, I read every single post in our Forum) I only see one State of the Profession...


Nothing has changed in over a year...that statement makes me think that either you haven't been playing the whole year or you've been asleep...Commandos have seen TONS of changes over the year...We've gone from crap out of Beta to being pumped up (our golden age) to being brought way down, to having several fixes go in and the Melee 2.5x Damage bonus removed, as well as other things...I suggest before you make such an uninformed statement again you go back and re-read some of this communities earliest posts...go back to when our FT only did a max of 200 damage...I think that changed a bit, don't you? Click Here to see our out of Beta FT...


I've read you posts and I've tried to respond to as many as I can...but at the same time, I can't and DON'T respond to all posts...Why? Well for one thing, I like to see how the community responds to many of the posts first (remember, I'm representing the community so to best judge community opinion I have to OBSERVE)...I try to respond as much as possible though without over-shadowing other's opinions...


I also don't respond when other's have said exactly what I'd would advise (or said it better)...We have a great community here...Often times I could easily respond to a question or comment, but someone else here beat me to the punch with some great advice or a good response...


I try to NEVER respond tothreads that are purely for the sake of ranting or to promote flaming...I'm not saying any of your posts were like that, but I've learned that my response won't fix anything...only actions will fix their outlook...my response would just probably add more fuel to the fire or "I'll believe it when I see it" replies...


Lastly, sometimes I don't respond because really, I don't know the answer and I don't want to just blow smoke up people's behinds...I will usually try to go find the answer instead of replying right away...and I can only respond if the answer comes...would you prefer that I respond to every post like that with "I don't know" just so everyone could say "Garvin responded to my post...yay for me"...


I'll try and be better on my responses if that will help...I apologize if you felt you had something important that I missed responding to...I don't mean to ignore anyone...Being a Correspondent takes a lot of my time...Not many people realize this, but between the docs I've been writing, the site I built, the other various things TH and the other Devs have us Correspondents working on and testing, I haven't logged into my main account and just played in over a month...the only time I've been in game is just testing things or grabbing images...I've even missed the last few weeks of JTL Beta...how much does that suck?






And then there of course comes the never-ended "hints" by devs, other peeps, and profession corrs (Garvin)... After all this time guys you haven't been able to put a damn thing out... it really sickens me to the bone. Just so we payfor a little bit more huh? Do I need to say more than, BATTLEFIELDS, GCW, COMBAT BALANCE, GLITCHES, EXPLOITS, JEDI, BH, SPACE, CONTENT, BALANCE, ETC...






I'm always ready to jump on the Devs when they aren't performing well, but I think you are way off here...Give them their due...they have closed TONS of Exploits over the last few months alone...They've also added tons of new items and fixes into the game...Commandos aren't the only profession out there...Bounty Hunters alone got some nice WELL DESERVED love recently...Droid Engineers got some nice love awhile back...Armorsmiths and Wookies got some nice love a recently....Jedi of course got some serious love as well as the rest of us did as well just by getting the Force Sensitive option added to the game (that EFFECTS all of us)...There are tons of examples I could continue to give...If we want other professions to respect any love we get in the future, we have to respect the love they get when they get it...If we had gotten all our fixes instead of Jedi, don't you think there would be someone just like you over there saying the same stuff about how the game is all Commando and they are being ignored...


This post is already long enough...so I'll stop my babbling here...the only advice I can give you is take a break...I hope we still see you around when the Revamp does come through for us...


Message Edited by garvin on 10-09-2004 12:39 AM


Message Edited by garvin on 09-21-2004 12:41 AM




Ah i'm frustrated? Naw really?! If you've read any of my posts in the last 2 months you'd know that I've been 85% sure I'm not returning to this game. I've been posting many things at the chance I MAY actually hear anything, that would make me want to come back... but more for all these other people. Because I won't be coming back anytime soon. This game the last4-5 months have cause more stress than fun,and I haven't even played muchsince then. I serously doubt I'll EVER in the future come back, especially after posts like that... responding to a customer, concerned about where the game is NOT going.


Look, there are AROUND 11 posts on the first page about issues, problems with the "state of commando"... What am I looking at? Like I can't see or something? I just love the flames back at me...I might have put it wrong or something, or not have stated that MANY issues have stayed the same over the last year. But really, you're telling me, a year ago when we still only had the flamethrower (only a really sick dot they needed to take out) is different than our flamethrower profession now? The most insulting thing is this threads,most haven't seen any responce in months. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. Now I don't think you're arguing with me there...


And don't give me anything about "flaming" fellow commandos, haha... I've gotten flames in here constantly for posting my beliefs about how Commando should be a full heavy weapons profession. You ever see Arnold blasting away big explosions with a pistols, a little carbine? haha. I've gotten many flames from commando's in game about how I want to go commando, and other master commando's doing very rude things to me with my master Commando tag. But really, I find it hard, almost impossible to believe that these people, actually LIKE getting the same crap filled documents over and over... with no results. Can I say sheeps?


I was a TKM almost Master Commando back in November, and yeah I gave it up, if I hadn't I would have been gone a looooooong time ago. And now we're going to be using the commando/ pistols, carbines rifles combo... yeah that really brings out the commando heart in me.*gag* main reason im' going. I never asked Commando to be it's own great self by itself, but I expect it to be it's OWN profession.


People can make their own judgements about things. All I really read in your post is how important Jedi is, was... trying to justify that the game has mainly paid attention to that, and a little bh. Do something, log in to the game and talk torandom people, many people don't care about Jedi, and are really offended by this Jedi game. Many have resorted to doing the fs quests because there is nothing else. Now you don't see the problem with this?


I don't think Jedi should really exist, but of course it's too late for that... they already told everyone to go and ruin their lives grinding 32 professions. Whens the last time you saw an ID? An archtitecht? Smuggler? Droid Egineer? Any other crafter really? And a cm, where have they all gone? Whens the last time you saw a ent. at the keyboard? Don't tell me this doesn't anger you...


I asked, simply, What is going on with THIS game? Alright not Jedi, not JTL, etc... You seem to have a problem answering that. Now I don't even mean the Combat Balance... What the hell is going on? I don't see anything happening in 6 months, and people don't seem to realize that. I go in the forums mainly to TALK (oh yea thats what a forum is!) ... and have resorting to chatting in the Server forums about non game issues.


Now I know you don't want to get in a "ranting war" (?), and hell I don't blame you, you have OTHER STUFF to do... but yeah this is a forum. I know I have written more in these last posts than the whole commando forum has seen, haha. But I am a writer, I love it. The main reason I'm continuing with this, is because after I've spent $250 for this game I have gotten very, VERY little, almost nothing from SOE, from the forums. Call me weird,but I feel like I've been ripped off. All the fun in this game has stem from player creation.


For $250 I can't even get any some-what decent responces about the game in the forum. I strongly believe I deserve some of explamation before I leave. You couldn't explain answer most of what I wrote Garvin, and that really makes me sick realizing I wasted my time, even though yes, it was occasionally fun. Besides the little candy hints, Soe can't even tell us about the game, the future, what the f*ck is going on.


Oh but yeah, "but you are missing alot of things..." Yeah Weiss, that must be it.


I guess I'm "missing the points" when everyone in their right mind is angry with this game... and most who will not be coming back to this game. I guess I am "missing the point" that the game is DEAD right now. I guess I'm "missing the point"when I say WHERE DID THIS GAME GO? I guess I am "missing the point" when we, as CONSUMERS can't get a responce about THIS GAME. I'm not going to bother going on...


I know you, and others will say I'm all wrong. I understand that, but this is my opinion, and tons of other peoples opinoins. Many have left. But the fact is SOE ignoring this will not help anything.


But yeah excuse me for "ranting". Really Garvin what do you expect after everything you supposedly read from me? I'm a writer, I used to love this game, trying to help it out. How does this company expect anything done if they don't pay attention to these "rants" as you call them. I'm discussing my problems with the game, what I think would help the game... to be ignored. To be told, "I'm not going to get in a ranting war". Alright If "ranting" is looked down upon maybe Igave this game and you too much credit in the past. Everyone knows the only way for improvement is to look at the faults. Everyone knows that a forum is supposed to be utilized in a way to help whatever it is for. I do understand that everything can't be looked at, most can't... what does that say about this? Well the company doesn't care what the players think. The company can't face their problems. The company has little interest in fixing the game. Among other things...


As I repeated many times I wonder often where my $250 went... besides nerfs, not much GOOD stuff has gone my way. Sure somtimes loot, bunkers, etc can keep ya entertained for a bit... but where is the star wars here?


I'd love to hear what I'm missing...




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garvin
Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:24 pm
#18






WeissHengst wrote:

I'd love to hear what I'm missing...






Do you remember our older Top 5? Do you know that since5 months ago 2 of our Top 5 was fixed and that in the last5 months 2 new issues have made our Top 5 because of that? But of course, since you know our profession so well, you must know that...


Just because some people flame you it doesn't make it right...and it's really immature to flame others using the excuse "well, I was flamed"...The best course when being flamed is "don't respond" or "don't flame back"...just be the bigger person...Flames ALWAYS lead to more Flames 100% of the time...


You say this thread is insulting because most of the issues haven't been addressed in over a year...That's interesting since 9 of the issues didn't exist over a year ago...most of those 9 aren't even 6 months old...And beyond that, there are 5 or 6 others that were never fully stated as an issue on such a list...Don't believe me, go find a list over 6 months old that matches this one...


You claim NOTHING has been done...let me tell you exactly why that's a perfect example of pure unquestionable Pessimism...Off of the top of my head I can think of 2 big issues that were addressed in the last 5 months...1) the 2.5x Melee Damage Bonus was removed (one of our original Top 5) and 2) Our Consumable weapons now work in doors...So right there, you "Nothing has been done" arguement goes out the window...You may say that both those changes don't mean much, but to many of usthey do...and those are just 2 examples...Another example is our Initial Damage getting turned WAY up...this came at the cost of our DoT power unfortunately, but there are a group of Commandos that prefer this change (I'm not one of them)...


You expect commandos to be their "OWN" profession...that's a bit narrow minded don't you think...if Commandos were suppose to be their "own" profession why do we have 250 skill points? Why not just make it so that we only have 169 pts or that a player can only grind in one profession alone...Player templates are meant to be 250 pts, but up to today, the professions don't compliment each other...That's a huge part of the Revamp...fixing that issues...


I have NEVER said how important Jedi is...if that's what you get from my posts then you really haven't read them or understood them...What I have said is how important it was, if the Devs planned to revamp Jedi, to do it PRIOR to the Combat Revamp...I don't agree that Jedi should be as big of a part of the game as they currently are, but guess what, I don't pay everyone's monthly fees,and as for logging in to talk to people, I don't have to...The total number of Jedi out there, the total number of people who grinded the holocron professions and the total number of people currently working on the FS stuff tells us all how important the Jedi elements of the game are...Do you even relalize that Jedi are not the only profession that was pre-revamped before the big Combat Revamp...Creature Handlers, Bounty Hunters, Commandos, Combat Medics, and others all received changes in preperation for the Combat Revamp...We as Commandos were doing great until Publish 7 brought us our Pre-Revamp changes...That's only 3 publishes ago...Before Publish 7, the most popular thread in the Commando Forum was flames against all the people who were "Jumping on the Commando Bandwagon" and "NERF Commando" threads...







Whens the last time you saw an ID? An archtitecht? Smuggler? Droid Egineer? Any other crafter really? And a cm, where have they all gone? Whens the last time you saw a ent. at the keyboard? Don't tell me this doesn't anger you...







You are obviously playing on the wrong server...first off, my alt is an Architect and Droid Engineer...and I can find at any one time at least 4 or 5 other's online...same goes for Smugglers, ID's and other Crafters...ID's are not rare because of Jedi...They are rare because many of them hate the recent Stats Migration Change as well as many other things...They go into hiding because either they get to many /tell's or they get flamed when they asked to be paid for Stat Migration...That has nothing to do with waiting for fixes or Jedi...And Crafters in general are Simple to find...I spend a lot of time Chatting with them (I have many crafting friends)...







I asked, simply, What is going on with THIS game? Alright not Jedi, not JTL, etc... You seem to have a problem answering that. Now I don't even mean the Combat Balance... What the hell is going on? I don't see anything happening in 6 months, and people don't seem to realize that. I go in the forums mainly to TALK (oh yea thats what a forum is!) ... and have resorting to chatting in the Server forums about non game issues.







You haven't seen anything happening in the last 6 months because you refuse to see the changes...The Jedi Revamp hasn't been going on for 6 months...there have actually been NON-Jedi publishes in the last 6 months...are you actually saying that Nothing happened in any of those Big or Mini Publishes?


I report often as to what is going on with THIS game? Anytime I hear what the devs are up to I report on it...Currently the focus in undeniably on JTL...Before that much of the focus was on Jedi for a few Months...Before that there was some DE focus...Over the past few months there have also been some Bounty Hunter focus, Smuggler Focus, Image Designer Focus, and Crafting in general Focus...And scheduled up next is some Combat Revamp focus...







For $250 I can't even get any some-what decent responces about the game in the forum. I strongly believe I deserve some of explamation before I leave. You couldn't explain answer most of what I wrote Garvin, and that really makes me sick realizing I wasted my time, even though yes, it was occasionally fun. Besides the little candy hints, Soe can't even tell us about the game, the future, what the f*ck is going on.







Do you even read the other posts or do you only read what you post?I've read many of your posts and last night I went back through them...at the time that you posted there were many other similar posts to yours that WERE Answered...and if you do a simple search, you find answer to many others of your posts...I have told you and others repeatedly what's going on...you just refuse repeatedly to see it and like to stick to "nobody is acknowledging me or telling me what's going on"...







I guess I'm "missing the points" when everyone in their right mind is angry with this game... and most who will not be coming back to this game. I guess I am "missing the point" that the game is DEAD right now. I guess I'm "missing the point"when I say WHERE DID THIS GAME GO? I guess I am "missing the point" when we, as CONSUMERS can't get a responce about THIS GAME. I'm not going to bother going on...







So, to be "in their right mind" a person has to be angry with this game? Not true...for all my frustrations over our profession and other game issues, I still enjoy the game VERY MUCH...and I know a lot of people would agree...You feel the game is DEAD? If that was true, why are they still in business...why do they have more players in game then they did last month...or the month before that? Yes...you are "missing the point"...go out and PLAY the game...there is a lot of fun to be had...make new friends...be awed by the shear magnitude of this game...If you can't appreciate the game then it's simple...eliminate the hate and stress in your life and go play something else...it's not a hard concept...







But yeah excuse me for "ranting". Really Garvin what do you expect after everything you supposedly read from me? I'm a writer, I used to love this game, trying to help it out. How does this company expect anything done if they don't pay attention to these "rants" as you call them. I'm discussing my problems with the game, what I think would help the game... to be ignored. To be told, "I'm not going to get in a ranting war". Alright If "ranting" is looked down upon maybe Igave this game and you too much credit in the past. Everyone knows the only way for improvement is to look at the faults. Everyone knows that a forum is supposed to be utilized in a way to help whatever it is for. I do understand that everything can't be looked at, most can't... what does that say about this? Well the company doesn't care what the players think. The company can't face their problems. The company has little interest in fixing the game. Among other things...







There is nothing wrong with a good rant...If you knew me before I became the Correspondent you'd know that I was the KING of rants...In fact, TH recently told me that of all the Correspondents, I was one of the ones that, before becoming a Correspondent, actually flamed him the best...


I LOVE a good rant...but that's just it...a GOOD rant...To rant just to say you are "pissed off" or "because you don't feel heard" doesn't accomplish anything...And to attack others, including me, for trying to get our ideas, issues and concerns into a centralized thread that can be used to make sure we cover as much as possible in the Revamp is just plain useless and counter-productive...


If you were ranting because you are upset that things haven't changed in your mind since the game started, that's cool...but, don't just rant for the sake of ranting...do your research...give examples...I've already proven that the list above HAS CHANGED so that arguement is a mute point...99.9% of all the Commandos in this community who have been around more then 6 monthscould tell you that much...


Look, we all have reasons to be upset, frustrated and pessimistic...We have reasons not to trust in the upcoming revamp...Before the Summit I didn't trust in the Revamp either...But I was finally able to put the pieces together and see that they have put effort into this...I've also witnessed first hand the attention the Devs put into Jedi and JTL...And they've said that attention is coming to the Revamp next...That's where my optimism comes from...


You say you've waited a whole year for change...What's a few more months? If you can't take the wait, take a break...don't just keep saying your going to quit...If you've lost your passion for the game, give it up...I know when I lose my passion I'll be gone...But that's the difference, I haven't lost my passion...and I do see the changes that have gone into the game...I do recognize the Dev effort and I can't wait to see that effort go into the Revamp...I still have faith...If you have truly lost your faith, then your answer should be clear...ranting over and over that "you are quiting because of inaction on the Devs part" or that "the game has let you down" comes across more like whining then ranting I'm sorry to say...Real rants typically have A) What you are upset over, B) Who your target is specifically & C) How it should be fixed (usually starting with something like "How difficult is it to make 'A' happen...just do 'B' and 'C' and there you go")...


I'm sorry this thread has gone this route...It was meant to be constructive and collect together many of the issues that have appeared in various threads...I had hoped to have this list act as a sort of "Check List" for the upcoming Revamp...and it's my Job to make sure that TH and the Devs have an updated list of issues every so often (even if they haven't changes 100%)...It's been long known that Commandos wouldn't see any major changes until the Revamp...And I just wish people would believe me when I say that, from what I've seen and heard straight from the Combat Revamp programmers, it's worth the wait for what Commandos are getting...

Message Edited by garvin on 10-09-2004 03:54 PM



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

ShugFlurry
Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:33 pm
#19

Nice post. Im looking forward to when i can outdamage a TKM, and when my DoTs on Axkva Min/Krayts count towards me. atm im only useful in dungeons where loot isnt a matter. DWB for example. Hope this gets fixed soon



Shug
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garvin
Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:56 pm
#20






ShugFlurry wrote:
Nice post. Im looking forward to when i can outdamage a TKM, and when my DoTs on Axkva Min/Krayts count towards me. atm im only useful in dungeons where loot isnt a matter. DWB for example. Hope this gets fixed soon



[Insert Evil Laugh Here]...Just as I have forseen, this day is coming...




Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Halmet
Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:08 pm
#21

Good job Garvin.

Way to stay organized and up to date with things.
Keep it up.



Master Commando
Naritus

Nothing to see here. Move along citizen.
cornbredx
Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:27 pm
#22

Good post as usual Garvin, my only thing is I dont comepletely agree with #16. Not all new big time aggros are high Acid resist ( i admit they do have high fire resist which I dont get either.) SBDs for instance have a low acid resist i believe. This is just to my knowledge tho, I dont want to put the list down.


Anyway good job as usual Garvin, I think this, as everything u seem to do, shows yer dedication. good job!



"Like the hand of God I smite thee!"
Colonel Fox-Wolfian Drigger of the Emporers Imperial Army
Master Scout, Master Fencer, Master Pistoleer, Master TK, Master Marksman, Elder Master Commando

(And I wasnt even Grinding Jedi)

Also Corporal Darrt Drigger of the Emprorers Imperial Army
Master Creature Handler/Master Scout/Master Swordsman KIA due to the NGE getting rid of CH, may he rest in Peace

"It just so happens I liked that hand"
Nerj
Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:31 am
#23






garvin wrote:





ShugFlurry wrote:
Nice post. Im looking forward to when i can outdamage a TKM, and when my DoTs on Axkva Min/Krayts count towards me. atm im only useful in dungeons where loot isnt a matter. DWB for example. Hope this gets fixed soon



[Insert Evil Laugh Here]...Just as I have forseen, this day is coming...







I hope you are right Garvin. However, with the lack of content (grinding out FS XP is not content) and the ignoring of the community concerns by the DEVs. Yes their main focus is on JTL and you know why? Because they need to revitalize the game. They feel they can get a quick influx of cash from selling JTL and pick up some new accounts and recover some lost accounts.


What they fail to take into consideration is; the need for fixes per the TOP 5 in all of the professions, the lack of content that isNOT player driven (it is NOT the PCers job to do the DEVs work), and lies that they are continuing to propagate (If NO SWG DEVs were pulled for JTL, why is the Combat Revamp NOT being worked on?). These actions are what is causing the frustration. In my case I probably will be freezing my account soon. There are to many NEW and exciting games that are coming out to continue the waiting game for another 6-12 months.


Besides, by mothballing my chars when something does change I can get FREE days to check it out and if I like it I can get some more FREE days. By keeping my account active I get nothing -no changes, no fixes, and no info. So when the new games hit my chars will go into statis and then I guess I will activate them again some time "SOON"



Valcyn - Master Marksman Master Commando, Master Smuggler From Tiggs: -- Two words -- Bring it!

WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER, AND WE WILL NOT FAIL

WeissHengst
Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:57 am
#24


Message Edited by WeissHengst on 10-10-2004 10:59 AM



White Stallion

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Your white stallion. Beggith please, fought by and by. Take this broad sword I carry, in your hands. Unsheath it. Massage it's power and strike it down.
WeissHengst
Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:18 am
#25

If as a consumer concerned about the game I meant so little, I'm glad I'm leaving. You couldn't even help me out here. Just telling me like usually I'm all wrong, and stupid. I salute the facsist ways of this company, they've already deleted my final goodbye post to Radiant.

You tell me I'm all wrong... so are you telling me you're happy with all the changes you mentioned? Yeah we don't need anything more. That just worked wonders for the game. This game is absolutely no where near where it should be... and you f*cking know that.

You told me I should have gone and done the research for myself. You critisize me for not knowing everything that's happened in the game. Well first of all, I actually have a life... I'm a full time student, I work at an investment company everyday, and actually have a social life. Paying $250 I feel I deserve a little help here. I started playing October 7th Garvin, thats the exact day... you mentioned stuff pre that... I've gotten this alot, people critisizing me for not playing since day 1 and not playing addictively ALL the time.

Again Garvin, I posted my opinions about how nothing noteworthy in the patches has applied to me. Except nefs of course. Keep in mind I kept changing professions because of the NON CONTENT in this game. That's a valid opinion Garvin, ALL opinions are. How about you TRY and proove me wrong? Please I'd love to see you try.

The truth is I feel very hurt by SOE, this game, and you. And i'm voicing that right here. If you can't listen and maybe understand maybe you should change jobs. You have claimed so much in these forums the last 2 months, even in the posts to me... about how you have faught so much for us. Sorry but I don't see that. I've never heard or seen you rant. Since I was a Commando in November and then last month it's the same old flamethrower profession. Are you arguing with me on that? All I've really seen that you've done is throw your little "candy hints" that we can't understand, you we stay longer, wondering what's going on. You also keep throwing documents that basically say how Commando sucks. You say you "fight" for us but we still have no word about the combat documents, what's going on with this game, what's going on with this profession. If you are fighting for us, why is commando still not fixed? Why is the game not fixed?

That's not how things are run. I'm also suprised you can say what you do is actually a job. Playing a fake toon without paying, writing and talking about how it needs to be fixed. Over a year we haven't even been fixed to make it good, and fun. I really hope you don't put your job on your resume.

I'm being so harsh because this is how I feel, really hurt by everyone, and really sick to think I wasted time playing this game. Voicing my concerns and views about the game and not even being listened to. Oh yeah it's just unproductive to voice opinions. I would have made it more elaborate Garvin, but I actually havea life: as a full time student, working everyday, social life, and active in politics.


Really SOE and Garvin,


thanks for nothing....



White Stallion

Bathe in thy healing lighteth of my c0ck. Thy Clock Tower struck twelve. Down on your knees. Observe. Your knight in shining armour.
Your white stallion. Beggith please, fought by and by. Take this broad sword I carry, in your hands. Unsheath it. Massage it's power and strike it down.
garvin
Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:28 pm
#26






WeissHengst wrote:

If as a consumer concerned about the game I meant so little, I'm glad I'm leaving. You couldn't even help me out here. Just telling me like usually I'm all wrong, and stupid. I salute the facsist ways of this company, they've already deleted my final goodbye post to Radiant.


Again with the martyr post...NOBODY said your opinion was wrong, but can't you admit that when you say "NOTHING HAS CHANGED" that you are OBVIOUSLY wrong? Am I suppose to like and say "Yeah your right...all those changes that have been made didn't really happen"?


I for one never said I'm happy you are leaving...I said that EVERYONE can use a break every now and then and you seem like a person in need of a break...By break I mean that you will come back...that's why I used the word "break"....You have passion, and I hate to see the community lose that...but I do think your passion is not currently being productive since all you are doing is over-exagerating the problems and making false claims.


You tell me I'm all wrong... so are you telling me you're happy with all the changes you mentioned? Yeah we don't need anything more. That just worked wonders for the game. This game is absolutely no where near where it should be... and you f*cking know that.


Am I suppose to be upset when the game makes changes that are helpful to us? Is that what you are trying to say here? I am happy with the changes so far...I'm upset that it's taken so long and that we still have more time to wait, but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what's been done so far...to not appreciate even the little things is to appear to be spoiled...How many other MMO's have you played? I've played quite a few and I'm confident in saying this game Surpasses many on certain areas and falls short in others...NO MMO is perfect...and of all the MMO's I've played, I've liked this one best...That's what I know...This game has POTENTIAL....and I see much of that POTENTIAL coming together with the Combat Revamp...


You told me I should have gone and done the research for myself. You critisize me for not knowing everything that's happened in the game. Well first of all, I actually have a life... I'm a full time student, I work at an investment company everyday, and actually have a social life. Paying $250 I feel I deserve a little help here. I started playing October 7th Garvin, thats the exact day... you mentioned stuff pre that... I've gotten this alot, people critisizing me for not playing since day 1 and not playing addictively ALL the time.


If you are going to make a strong claim of "NOTHING HAS CHANGED" then heck yeah I expect you to be able to back that up...I could make some claim about your personal life, but how can I back that up without knowing you...It would be ridiculous and a waste of energy for me to make such a strong claim that can easily be dismissed just because I ignored what is out there...Should we just ignore everything that happened before you started playing?And if you are talking Oct. 7th, 2003, then you should know that a LOT of things have happened...All I see is that you make a strong claim, it get's proven wrong, and you revert to the victim role...


I have tried to make it a point to point out things when it happens...I have tired to keep the Commando Community in the know as much as possible. When I hear something, I post it as quick as possible as I can in our Community...


Again Garvin, I posted my opinions about how nothing noteworthy in the patches has applied to me. Except nefs of course. Keep in mind I kept changing professions because of the NON CONTENT in this game. That's a valid opinion Garvin, ALL opinions are. How about you TRY and proove me wrong? Please I'd love to see you try.


Again, when I have I EVER said that anyone is not entitled to their opinion...I'd love to see you prove that I have have ever tried to prevent someone from sharing their opinion or told them to keep their opinion to themselves...What I see here is that you don't like people responding to you, and especially when they respond with facts that go against your opinion...seems to me that you'd rather people accept your opinions and avoid responding...


I can't speak about what's important to you...nobody but you can...so if things like the 2.5x Melee Damage bonus isn't important to you, then it's not important TO YOU...I for one was EXTREMELY happy when that issues was fixed because it meant that Melee Players and NPCs stopped doing 2.5x more damage to me...this made me last longer in a battle and helped me deal with higher content in the game...it didn't make us perfect, but it openned up a whole new area of the game to us...HIGH CONTENT...It also meant, even if it didn't seem like much, that we had a better chance of lasting longer in PvP when facing a Melee opponent...


Your posts in this thread have had the centralized theme of "NOTHING HAS CHANGED"...I've proved that wrong...Do I really need to keep proving it wrong over and over...that's not an opinion...that's a statement...don't get pissed off when it's shot down...


The truth is I feel very hurt by SOE, this game, and you. And i'm voicing that right here. If you can't listen and maybe understand maybe you should change jobs. You have claimed so much in these forums the last 2 months, even in the posts to me... about how you have faught so much for us. Sorry but I don't see that. I've never heard or seen you rant. Since I was a Commando in November and then last month it's the same old flamethrower profession. Are you arguing with me on that? All I've really seen that you've done is throw your little "candy hints" that we can't understand, you we stay longer, wondering what's going on. You also keep throwing documents that basically say how Commando sucks. You say you "fight" for us but we still have no word about the combat documents, what's going on with this game, what's going on with this profession. If you are fighting for us, why is commando still not fixed? Why is the game not fixed?


Why is commando and this game not fixed? Well, that's a tough one...maybe because I'm not a programmer and I don't work for SOE is the best answer...All I can do is what the Programmers and Devs ask of me...They ask me for things that they feel will help us get to our fixes...Have you ever programmed a game or ran an MMO company?Have you ever worked for an MMO company for that matter? I haven't but I have done some programing...It's not an overnight fix...and one thing a Company must continue to do is GROW...so while they try and get things "fixed" they also have to keep coming up with new content so those who aren't "upset" don't get bored and go away...That's a good business strategy...


The Devs have scheduled the Revamp...And I've repeatedly said that many of our issues are in there...I can't say what they are otherwise I'll be in violation of the NDA and at the very least, be kicked off being a Correspondent and most likely be banned from the game and the Community permenantly...that's what I agreed to when I signed the NDA...


Anyone who was around before I became a Correspondent can attest to the fact that I use to be the biggest ranter...I ranted against the Fire Blanket...I ranted against the 2.5x Melee Damage Bonus...I ranted against the HAR...I ranted against reducing our DoT....I ranted against the constant Combat Balance delays and the lack of information...I ranted against TH one time telling us that we were too strong...I've ranted in more posts then you've even made to date...So I understand a good rant...Since becoming a Correspondent, I have still posted rants, but they've been primarily in the Correspondent Forum where they can get better attention and a pretty much a spot light on them...


Since becoming a Correspondent we have seen many issues addressed...I can't claim that they were 100% because of me...just the opposite, they are 99.9% because of the Community...they are .1% because I made sure the Devs took notice of them via the various "State" posts and "Collection of our Issues"...


If my hints are too much for the Community I'll stop making them...I just thought it better to know something then nothing...and I know how smart this community is that via my hints they could easily start putting the puzzle together...


I'll make you a deal...If the Community wants me out, I'll leave...Or how about this...if people don't feel we are better after the Revamp, I'll step down...will that make you happy?


That's not how things are run. I'm also suprised you can say what you do is actually a job. Playing a fake toon without paying, writing and talking about how it needs to be fixed. Over a year we haven't even been fixed to make it good, and fun. I really hope you don't put your job on your resume.


What do you call it when someone hands in various reports, runs test after test, and is pretty much on call all the time (responding to forum posts and such)...I feel like this is one of the best "non-paying" jobs I've ever had because of the people I've meant and the different I hope I'm making to our profession...I see 75% of this job getting our profession fixed, but I also see 25% of this job in working with the Community, answering questions and making sure that your Commando experience is the best it can be...hence I try to post here often, I created a Web site to further enchance your experience, I constantly try to collect together ideas and issues from various threads into a more concise post, I make sure that people know I'm available in game to chat, I have had several offline converstations with folks who have asked (via instant messanger), as well as many other things...I've also take many questions and concerns from our community to the Devs and often times returned with some type of response (good or bad)....


While doing all this I also often work pretty much a 50 hour a week job for a large Company doing online development...I typically end up working that extra 10 hours a week because I monitor the forums so closely during the day....I've even had to go in on weekends often to make up work that I could have gotten done during the week if I had spent less time on the forums...And guess what, I'm happy to do it...that's how much I love this Community, Commandos and this game...that's my passion...It's a Job...yes...But like I said, it's one of the best jobs I've ever had and an honor to do it...


I'm being so harsh because this is how I feel, really hurt by everyone, and really sick to think I wasted time playing this game. Voicing my concerns and views about the game and not even being listened to. Oh yeah it's just unproductive to voice opinions. I would have made it more elaborate Garvin, but I actually havea life: as a full time student, working everyday, social life, and active in politics.


AGAIN...you missed the point of my replies and only focused in one what you feel makes you a victim...I didn't say you making posts was unproductive because they were your opinion...I said that ranted, whining and complaining about things that aren't true is unproductive...Tell me this, what does ranting over issues that aren't true, like "NOTHING HAS CHANGED" accomplish...is that a productive thing to say? I pointed out that things have changed...now, maybe that change isn't enough for your or not fast enough, but still it's something...In the past, your posts about specific changes to the Commando profession...those where productive discussions and made folks think...posting a rant just for the sake of ranting doesn't help anything, hence "not productive"...


Really SOE and Garvin,


thanks for nothing....


I'm glad my effort, the effort of this Community and effort of SOE has meant nothing...it's good to feel appreciated...









Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

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