Commando Archive

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Reilec wrote:
Are youkidding me TH? The Commando profession has 1 useful line and 1 useful stand alone weapon, the Rocket Launcher. The Launcher Pistol only seems to be useful if you dabble in Pistoleer.

Nobody in their sanity is going to PvP with a friggin Flamethrower unless they want a quick death.

Flamethrower special range: 17m

Master Brawler Lunge 2 (KD): 20m

You know how many melee profession players have Master Brawler? Jesus...

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I use my Flamethrower in PvP all the time. And the other lines have their place, especially in PvP. Field Tactics and Ranged Mitigation are very, very useful. I've dabbled with beam cannons and Acid Rifles, and they have their place as well.

I think most of the problems people have with the various professions is they always think of themselves as the only combat type there. Maybe, just maybe, everyone should consider their place in the group. The commando hits hard and quick, but then someone else needs to stack the various mods and items on to the opponents. A TKA and Commando make a very powerful team, with the TKA to take melee damage and the Commando to light the BBQ. Throw in with Grenades that can mod a bleed and you have the ability to stop a lot of foes.

I had a couple of Overts, a Master Doc/MTKA and his friend the Master Rifleman running for the ocean outside Coronet because I had them both on fire. The Rifleman made it. The other one didn't.

• Yes there will be a fire suppression tool for Fire DoTs. It only makes sense that if you have a weapon, you have a counter measure. Currently, you need water to put out a fire DoT and there are none, which is why many players have asked that there be one.
  
  
• No combat DoTs will stack anymore because some players were using them in PvP exploits and Combat Experience exploits. Players would run up, stack 3 or 4 fire dots on a MOB or another player and run away while the fire burned - - because there is no way to extinguish the fire. Then they would run back and fire a quick shot from a blaster and finish the kill. It was never intended to work that way.

So you fix these issues by killing our only working weapons...I could have saved the SOE programmers a ton of hours of reprogramming...just remove the FT from the game...that's basically what you've done...LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!!! Add the same "counter" measures that the other DoTs use...don't give everyone a Counter measure for our DoT that contradicts what other DoTs have...

And it's sad that you feel the need to fix an "exploit" by killing a profession...and before you say I'm being over-dramatic, what do you call severly weaking the one good working weapon we Commandos have without providing us with another option...

We need a solution that replaced our soon to be useless FT...you say your "fixing" things for everyone...how about fixing something for us? Why do we need to be the victims once again?

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shutout wrote:

Doctors have cures to all of these. so do squad leaders.

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You're right that they do, but the proposed solution to Fire DOT is a craftable "extinguisher" usable by anyone and a craftable food "Flame Out" that again can be used anywhere, anytime, by anyone.

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Thunderheart wrote:

• No combat DoTs will stack anymore because some players were using them in PvP exploits and Combat Experience exploits. Players would run up, stack 3 or 4 fire dots on a MOB or another player and run away while the fire burned - - because there is no way to extinguish the fire. Then they would run back and fire a quick shot from a blaster and finish the kill. It was never intended to work that way.

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Psykeman420-HS wrote:
Thundeheart, i know you read alot of posts, i know that combat revamp is on the way but take these to heart.

1.) Commando needs revamped
2.) Pikeman needs major and minor changes

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I take all the positive posts very seriously. I even read the negative posts and try to understand what they are telling me (though I wont reply to negative posts). Its not so visible through the great divide, but I keep massive spreadsheets and argue the player position with the devs every day.

The combat balance is near and dear to my heart as are all player issues. I just have to juggle time, manpower and scheduling as well. What I do is I keep track of all the issues, label them and sort them. That way when I go to Blair, JustG and Runesabre and say "players need this fixed", its based on how many players are being effected.

The combat balance alone is the single largest player issue. It encompases about 34% of the Correspondent issues and much of the pain combat players are having. Pikemen, carbineers, commando heavy weapons, the cost of specials, HAM costs, all of that will be better when the combat balance is done.

The thing to remember is that because the combat balance touches so many other systems in the game, its going to take a while. The team thats working on this is working very hard and thats the best I can offer.

It doesnt get in the way of my fun though. Last night JustG and I were on TC. We are both master Commandos and we dueled to test the FT damage numbers and DoTs - - of course he didnt tell me he had a dev invulnerability script on...heh heh...he torched me in a cantina (The DoT's stacked and from a fresh healthy state, I incapped, came out, incapped, came out and incapped and died because the DoTs kept burning - - thats the PvP exploit. 2 or 3 commandos will run up, stack the dots and players and mobs in PvE alike just burn burn burn...its just not fair).

Well what you didn't test then TH is a Master Pistoleer,Fencer, TKA with some commando. Imagine that kinda firepower and never being able to get hit....1/20 or higher.

Dot stacking sucks but it certainly isn't as bad as not being able to hit players at all. Not to mention CM's and the 96M poisons.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Psykeman420-HS wrote:
Thundeheart, i know you read alot of posts, i know that combat revamp is on the way but take these to heart.

1.) Commando needs revamped
2.) Pikeman needs major and minor changes

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I take all the positive posts very seriously. I even read the negative posts and try to understand what they are telling me (though I wont reply to negative posts). Its not so visible through the great divide, but I keep massive spreadsheets and argue the player position with the devs every day.

The combat balance is near and dear to my heart as are all player issues. I just have to juggle time, manpower and scheduling as well. What I do is I keep track of all the issues, label them and sort them. That way when I go to Blair, JustG and Runesabre and say "players need this fixed", its based on how many players are being effected.

The combat balance alone is the single largest player issue. It encompases about 34% of the Correspondent issues and much of the pain combat players are having. Pikemen, carbineers, commando heavy weapons, the cost of specials, HAM costs, all of that will be better when the combat balance is done.

The thing to remember is that because the combat balance touches so many other systems in the game, its going to take a while. The team thats working on this is working very hard and thats the best I can offer.

It doesnt get in the way of my fun though. Last night JustG and I were on TC. We are both master Commandos and we dueled to test the FT damage numbers and DoTs - - of course he didnt tell me he had a dev invulnerability script on...heh heh...he torched me in a cantina (The DoT's stacked and from a fresh healthy state, I incapped, came out, incapped, came out and incapped and died because the DoTs kept burning - - thats the PvP exploit. 2 or 3 commandos will run up, stack the dots and players and mobs in PvE alike just burn burn burn...its just not fair).

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TH, since we're talking about combat balance, can you please answer a pretty crucial question that I've been unable to find the answer to (forgive me if this is common knowledge...still getting used to the new format of the forums).

What will the combat balance be based on? In other words, will you be going into the balancing assuming that all professions will be balanced with all other professions? Will you go in balancing with skill points useage in mind? In other words, if one profession uses 30% more skill points, will they theoretically win a duel 30% more time if all other things are equal? Or XP useage?

This is an important question because realize that you will NEVER fix the balance issue unless you make it clear what the basis of balance is. People will always go with the most efficient use of skill points, so if you nerf one profession in the name of balancing everything across the board, you're just going to end up in a permanent loop of nerfing. Not to mention a lot of people (e.g. BHs) are going to be pretty p.o.ed if they find out this isn't according to skill points.

Please, let us know exactly what the basis for balancing is. I'm not trying to be combative, facetious, or sarcastic, I would just like to knwo which direction to take my character. If it's going to be balanced across the board, I'd rather take a lower SP cost profession and mix and match rather than spend all of my SPs in a "balanced" profession.

Thank you in advance.

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Drterror wrote:

Well what you didn't test then TH is a Master Pistoleer,Fencer, TKA with some commando. Imagine that kinda firepower and never being able to get hit....1/20 or higher.

Dot stacking sucks but it certainly isn't as bad as not being able to hit players at all. Not to mention CM's and the 96M poisons.

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Thunderheart wrote:

• No combat DoTs will stack anymore because some players were using them in PvP exploits and Combat Experience exploits. Players would run up, stack 3 or 4 fire dots on a MOB or another player and run away while the fire burned - - because there is no way to extinguish the fire. Then they would run back and fire a quick shot from a blaster and finish the kill. It was never intended to work that way.
  
  

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While I'm glad this change is going in, it seems a little unfair and almost a bit accusatory to blame the players for this change as well aslabel these tactics as "exploits." It might never have been intended to work this way by the development team, but from the player's point of view, the above description seems to be precisely how they were intended to work.

How do you think most people used the majority of DoT effects in EQ and other games? I don't appreciate being called an exploiter in so many words for having used the methods to kill things which you directly provided.

I think you should revise this statement. It should read: "No combat DoTs will stack anymore because the stacking was never intended and it was a poor implementation given the constraints of our combat system." Take a little responsibility, please.