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Thread: Logs of a Piket solo hunt (long) For those who say it can't be done anymore
Yes, if you are careful you can kill pikets, they are not the most social or intelligent. From the damage you take in melee and the damage you inflicted in melee you are obviously have extensive TKA studies. You cannot accurately gauge how well the commando does on its own whilst relying heavily on other profession abilities to stay alive.
Yes, i can solo them easily aswell, but I use a mauler. You are relying on melee abilities from a TKA and I am relying on abilities from a CH to avoid damage, its the same thing. Without those abilities from other professions the commando on its own is a far, far lesser combatant. When it comes to PvP the human opponents are less likely to be as dim witted as a band of pikets and will use those limitations against you.
You can still do alot of damage with the flamer, the problem with it has been the uberness of the specials. I would prefer the specials be toned down and not have to keep unwielding the weapons all the time. It is very retarded.
Your logs are just a reinforcement that commandos in general are forced to rely more heavily on the dot effect which everyone has already known is very powerful. None of the changes have made the commando a better class to play, balanced or more enjoyable.
The purpose of my post was immediately after the patch there were a ton of commandos saying that you cannot solo any of the high end missions anymore. I kept stating in other posts that it is still possible. Several people said, "Prove It! You just say that cause you are CH 3200!" So I did. They stated, "You cannot solo with any of the weapons in the commando's arsenal." So I used our 2 main weapons and posted how I accomplished it.
And by the way, initially when I started logging these fights all I had was Unarmed IV, just like everyone else. It just so happens that when these logs were done, I had TKA 0002. On top of that, every time you see me fighting with my PL or FT, my TKA skills have nearly zero bearing on the damage I was taking. Only 2 of the above piket kills were done using FT + unarmed, the other 6 or 7 are using FT alone or FT & PL.
"The purpose of my post was immediately after the patch there were a ton of commandos saying that you cannot solo any of the high end missions anymore."
Ahh, i see. I became a commando they day before the patch and it was real tough to solo stuff after the patch, i didnt have anything other than novice commando. With the help of CH I have been able to cope, but thankfully i had a group to fall back on during my period of weakness.
"And by the way, initially when I started logging these fights all I had was Unarmed IV, just like everyone else."
There is no way you can inflict 350 points of melee damage to a piket with unarmed 4, and I am a Trandoshan which inflict more unarmed melee damage than other races. But I do agree, you can kill those things when you have non-commando skills to fall back on.
Serin71 posted:
"There are no other options anymore you have to rely on DOT to save you these days."
I have Dirty Fighting 1 from smuggler and if you do not have much of anything else I highly recommend you invest the 11 points and get Feign Death. You can then just plant the dot, switch weapons and then just FD and wait and see if the mob survives the dot, most dont.
I generally use FD just for taming but on occassion i just hit the dirt if for some reason a whole bunch of things have agroed on to me, then just take a break and wait for the mauler to chase them off.
I love that ability.
bikebum:
How old is that log? We were hunting Pikets yesterday and ourCommando was hit constantly for 900 - 1100 damage. every 2 seconds. If you unequip your heavy weapon the penalty is in effect until the combat queue recycles. Your melee toughness, defense and additionaly dedfenses work immideately.
Althoigh this is a great post, it shows nothing different than that you have to be at least TKA in addition to commando to solo stuff.
Dogg
Nvim wrote:
bikebum posted:
"And by the way, initially when I started logging these fights all I had was Unarmed IV, just like everyone else."
There is no way you can inflict 350 points of melee damage to a piket with unarmed 4, and I am a Trandoshan which inflict more unarmed melee damage than other races. But I do agree, you can kill those things when you have non-commando skills to fall back on.
Serin71 posted:
"There are no other options anymore you have to rely on DOT to save you these days."
I have Dirty Fighting 1 from smuggler and if you do not have much of anything else I highly recommend you invest the 11 points and get Feign Death. You can then just plant the dot, switch weapons and then just FD and wait and see if the mob survives the dot, most dont.
I generally use FD just for taming but on occassion i just hit the dirt if for some reason a whole bunch of things have agroed on to me, then just take a break and wait for the mauler to chase them off.
I love that ability.
About the unarmed, maybe I didn't write it clearly, but what it should say is: Immediately after the patch I started logging my fights with Pikets. At that time I had unarmed IV and was working toward TKA. At the time that these logs were taken, I had TKA 0002. What you should have understood, is that I had been doing Pikets post-patch without any TKA and got essentially the same results.
InquisitorPayne wrote:
bikebum:
How old is that log? We were hunting Pikets yesterday and ourCommando was hit constantly for 900 - 1100 damage. every 2 seconds. If you unequip your heavy weapon the penalty is in effect until the combat queue recycles. Your melee toughness, defense and additionaly dedfenses work immideately.
Althoigh this is a great post, it shows nothing different than that you have to be at least TKA in addition to commando to solo stuff.
Dogg
The log is about a week old now. It was done the day of the original post so.... However I solo pikets every day including today. I have never been hit for more than 664, and that was with FT equipped while kneeling. It went through an armor "hole" so I took the whole 664, even though I had my composite on. The only way I could see a commando getting hit consistantly for 900-1100 is if every time they got hit they had FT equipped, were kneeling or prone, and nothing but novice commando and its prerequirements. Not to say it never happens, just that hits from pikets for more than about 700 should be rare.
And your conclusion is not totally correct. Yes, you can conclude that you need TKA to be a good commando. But I concluded that as long as you are smart and drop your FT to any weapon other than a riflebefore you get hit by mobs you can be a good commando. You notice that the majority of my data above I was getting hit with PL in hand, or not at all due to warning shot.
As far as commando's relying on our DOT to kill, that is true, you have to now. But was it any different before on a light armor 75% heat resist and 25% resist vs most others? I say no. Pre-patch we would have done the exact same thing except we would have just kept the FT equipped while we got pummelled and the mob died.