Commando Archive
Thread: Oh my, they should not have buffed the LLC.
Ivoni wrote:
We...are...not...god...like.
Exactly...I don't know about anyone else, but I still die in PvP, I still die out in the field, I still get wounded just like everyone else....I still find myself killing leviasqualls/squalls/midnight vir vurs over anything else because I'm not up to the point where I have enough accuracy to attack anything else and win on a regular basis....shrug....some people will just never know
Leave my LLC alone.
It too has horrendous accuracy penalties - as it should. It's faster than your heavy weapons as it should be; it does less damage per hit than your heavy weapons as it should be.
If your acid rifle is ineffective, then I hope it receives an AP1 rating - you deserve an effective rifle.
Point made.
Stop the bickering.
I'd like to see armor rating 1 on the HAR
or, better:
HAR specials to have a DEBUFF effect on the target
e.g. -30% resists, -1 armor rating
oh, and by the way.
since faction pets die that easily now, they shouldn't suffer permadeath.
Actually buffed LLC makes perfect sense. In all ways the BH is meant to compensate for the extreme skill cost of the class by having weapon abilities similar to other Elite Combat weapon-based professions. In Pistol they get similar skill/accuracy mods and even better specials than Master Pistoleers.
In LLC they can do more RAW damage than any Commando, the LLC has higher base damage than the HAR, almost as good as the Flamethrower,it's faster, with faster refreshing specials, and hits harder than it appears on paperbecause of the electricity damage and the AP 1. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean the BH is a better user of Heavy Weapons than a Commando, everybody seems to be forgetting the extreme anti-armor effect of the Flamethrower, namely how, despite being AR 0, on sufficiently armored targets like Krayts and AT-STs, then dot effect will do far more damage than any BH can withLLC's higher raw damage.
Seems very consistently balanced to me. I was a BH until the patch, and after evaluating the balance between LLCs/FTs, I decided heavily armored targets are going to be my focus instead of lightly armored targets, so I went Commando/Smuggler/Pistoleer instead of staying BH Pistol 4 and getting LLC 4. It's really about equally as powerful, with similar skill point costs, just with different focuses, honestly that's whatbalance is about isn't it? Makingtwo or morechoicesequally viable but still catering to individual tastes? I do agree the HAR needs something more though, there's no real reason to use it instead of the FT, and it's worse than the LLC in literally every single way.
If you don't know what the hell you are talking about it's best to just shut up and lurk.
-Elida
Well Said.
Sigh.
There is nothing wrong with the LLC. It's great. What was the entire point of going to all the effort of a BH if you were just as good as a master pistol/carbine?
-Ivoni
But they are not as Good as a master pistol/carbine...they are as good as a Master Pistol+Carbine+Heavy Weapon...Again, Ivoni, Understand i'm just pointing out a fact...not calling for a nerf 
Our HaR is felt to need AP1.
Our LP is felt to need AP1 ONCE pistol specials are removed and unique specials added.
The flame is perfect as it also has a dot.
-Ivoni
All Agreed...i would prefer the acid rifle have ar2 to compete with t21, LLC, DX2, Elite carbines...ect....But with the current damage stats i'm sure poeple will think i am asking to be a "PvP God"...Not the case, i just want to use or supposed class advantage to remain competitive.
**edit**, commandos are buffed up to god like status and they are already complaining about other classes getting close to as powerful as them?
-RidgeDrazilli
We are not gods by any stretch, however we are actualy powerfull and effectivenow...thats a given. However when it comes to a Comparison Between Commando and Bountyhunter there is no Contest...Bountyhunters Rock us in every way (except grenades and charged weapons...but alot of commandos havn't played too much with these yet)...anyhow, not Complaining...Again Just pointing out the Obvious that every ones else likes to pretendthey aren't thinking...Like that Big Zit on you Grandma's forehead, Everyone Knows it is there, but no one says a word
from what i hear (i got a bh friend with master LLC specialization) he does approx 14k max (highest he's ever done) with it, with its highest special for that branch (not sure, but there may be a higher special in master bh) - meanwhile i hear some commandos with flame single II can get up to 20k dmg....i think this is fair
-Starnick
They also do it faster then we can...but i'm fine with that since they already have it anyway....And yes there is another Cone Special at master...but it is pobably on par with our cone 2's....
We...are...not...god...like.
-Ivoni
Heh, This Comming from the Bunny Slayer! *kidding* Ditto!
For the record I'd like to point out that the "fantastic" damage being dealt by the LLC is dependent upon a few contingencies: firts your opponent is holding a rifle( LLC still registers as a melee weapon, for some reason), second be knockddown(50% increase in damage), and third being in melee range because the LLC won't fire a special out side of 15m.
So while the LLC does have armor1, most commando weapons have blast damage, with all vehicles, turret, AT-STs, and possibly AT-ATs have blast vunerability, commandos will be the mass damage specialists they're supposed to be.
-The Wildcard
Its the Exact same for us, Except we don't have the benifit of a knockdown...but Hey i hear our Flamethrower has a "Wicked Bleed". The Blast resistance reduction still hasn't gone live yet to my knowledge and there is no guarentee it ever will....but for commando's that means our pistol will be effective on AT-ST's and that Rocket Launchers will get even more expensive because of the increased demand
Commandos have access to a wider variety of damage types on heavy weapons (not even counting the expendables, there's blast, acid and heat), making us better able to improvise with our equipment. (Yes, BHs can use other weapons, but nothing else in the heavy category)
-RomanaCovus
Yup, our only advantage currently....only an advantage in PvE...but hell i'll take what i can get
I think this class envy from commandos to BH's is sad. I remember not more than 48 hours ago commandos and BH's were very supportive of one another. I think the bandwagoneers are the piss ants complaining here, and I think it's really unwelcome in both of our professions so get w/ the program! This from a BH who has ALWAYS supported commandos!
-PoodooPlethora
I've always been a Commando who Supports the Game...Personaly i don't think the Bountyhunter Profession needs any additional Support. First bountyhunters don't have very many problems, they were well thought out(Given, this is a Gripe with the way beta ended). Second, there are many MANY more bounty hunters then commandos(in imaginary overall game popluation percentages: 2% Commando, 15% Bountyhunter).....However if Bountyhunters were nerfed to the point that i laughed at them on the battle field, i would be the first onewritinga Love post on you forum ...i have yet to laugh at a BH tho...so no need for a love post...however i do hear your missions are crap, and the promissed PVP bounty missions are not realy being considered and that makes me kinda disapointed in the Devs for a lack of content creativity and attention....but i understand they certainly have more important issues to deal with still
First anyone who calls ppl a band wagon jumper because they didn't become a master in the first week is a loser.
Second anyone who thinks a commando or a BH using a heavy weapon in a large battle will own all hasn't fought in any. As soon as your LLC or flamethrower goes off you become everyones target. I was fighting in theed today. It was about 30 ppl aside, I blasted some TKA with my flamethrower and he went down in 1 hit. About 3 seconds latter I was hit about 15 times and was KD, blind,stunned, and bled. The DB came soon after.
Heavy weapons do huge damage but they come with a heavy price. I see no problem with a BH getting the LLC the way it is now, it makes them easier to pick out in combat
-BELIALhg
Yeah, last thing we need to start doing is calling "Bandwagon" on people...Fact is people are gonna explore what they want, more power too them And Its so True what you said about PvP...basicly you are given the time for one special and maybe one DB...but in a large battle your toast after that. Belial, Try using some Well expiermented and slicedgrenades...You'll find these Lessen the "Kill the Commando NOW" effect that happen with the flamethrowerand produce some very insane damage per second, however they get expensive fast And it may not last forever...People will adapt or we will get nerfed...
Seems too many people are too ready to jump into an argument, just make sure you're not doing it ass first or you're liable to get screwed.
-PoodooPlethora
Heh, is there another way to jump into it? Anyhow, I like to Call it Discussion, However you have a point....it Can easily be seen as bickering when nothing constructive gets added.
Leave my LLC alone.
It too has horrendous accuracy penalties - as it should. It's faster than your heavy weapons as it should be; it does less damage per hit than your heavy weapons as it should be.
If your acid rifle is ineffective, then I hope it receives an AP1 rating - you deserve an effective rifle.
Point made.
Stop the bickering.
-SeetherSOL
Exactly how i Feel, However to make a Good argument(read: Sales pitch) you need to make Good comparisons(i Always try too...either a Comparison, or an Example when i can )...and Well...Bountyhunters are our only Comparison....That is what i feel is kinda causing the recent animosity between our two professions.
Commando makes a Good Comparison to the LLC...
Bountyhunter Thinks the commando is Calling for a nerf...
Another Commando Jumps in(Ass first ) and points out all the BH already has going for him...
Bountyhunter gets Very Defensive...
....
Bickering begins....It is the natural order of things
Bountyhunter issomething that i will never understand....But, i'm trying...I'm sure the lurking BH's can understand that us "pure" professions are looking at what they are capable of and the thots "Why diddn't i become a BH?" "I shoulda just went BH" or "Man the BH owns me"....it just leave the idea, "Why play anything else?" flaoting around in my head...
Wow that was a long post
What irk's me the most is, each community has its own AssHat like TAKEDOWN or the original poster here. Yet people seem to always assume they are THE voice of the community. There are at least 3 BHs in this thread that seem to think this guy speaks for Commandos, just like many Commandos think all BHs share the same moronic views like TAKEDOWN.
RELAX, the REAL Commandos and BHs understand the new changes, and NO ONE wants to see a nerf.
THE HAR needs AP1, however. this should be adressed in another thread.
LLC is working as intended
commandos dont need as many points as bounty hunter. Bounty hunter cant be another profession, commando can.
Why are you complaining?
You know what happens when one person screams nerf? Everyone gets nerfed. If we get nerfed and I know we will I am blaming the guy who started this thread, because sh*t like that happens because of people like him.
Commando is still broken, they just gave us high damage weapons to keep us quiet for a little bit.
Hi, it's the original poster here. You know, the one all the BH's now hate?
I know you BH's are enjoying being commandos now, and if I was still a BH I would be too. I understand that the BH should be more proficient in combat than any elite profession out there, but now they are more proficient than a HYBRID profession, and that's where I draw the line.
What is the point of being a commando now? Oh yay I can waste huge amounts of money on one shot weapons that miss a lot. HOLD ME BACK!
If a BH wants to do huge amounts of AP front-loading damage, that's fine. But he should have to invest the points into UA like the rest of us. Why can't I whip outa pistol and start spamming eyeshot? Because I didn't invest the points. Actually, because I gave them up.
Malatesta Soh
Former BH 2/2/4/2
Current Commando 2/0/4/4
BenedictAmber wrote:
Hi, it's the original poster here. You know, the one all the BH's now hate?
I know you BH's are enjoying being commandos now, and if I was still a BH I would be too. I understand that the BH should be more proficient in combat than any elite profession out there, but now they are more proficient than a HYBRID profession, and that's where I draw the line.
What is the point of being a commando now? Oh yay I can waste huge amounts of money on one shot weapons that miss a lot. HOLD ME BACK!
If a BH wants to do huge amounts of AP front-loading damage, that's fine. But he should have to invest the points into UA like the rest of us. Why can't I whip outa pistol and start spamming eyeshot? Because I didn't invest the points. Actually, because I gave them up.
Malatesta Soh
Former BH 2/2/4/2
Current Commando 2/0/4/4
Uh, Bh are a Hybrid proffesion, the high skill points needed to become a MBH constitutes the reason we get a weapon tree from 2 elite and a hybrid, and as someone already pointed out, Our Llc doesnt do **edit** against AR2 and Ar3 and misses just as much as your Flame thrower...But thx to assholes like yourself Both Commando and BH will have their weapons nerfed over and over until we all learn to **edit**..You need to be punched in your fukking face, I no longer support Commandos as I did hole heartedly Pre-this post and others like it...Commandos are just pistoleers in sheeps clothing!!!!!!!!!
Tyrian Zell
Lowca
2/4/4/4 Bounty Hunter ( Pure )
