Commando Archive
Thread: Here ya go Hard Evidence that we are not PvP gods
well, maddogs, it look slike we are the only two people with reason left in this thread.
The ones call us liars (without giving proof for their claim), the other ones dont read the threads (or they would have noticed the use of specials, even DoT factored in), and the last group of people simply want to trash commando, because they are stupid enough to let themselves get killed by one.
Especially for the last group i have a nice piece of infoormation:
Last time a master commando snuck up on me in a bar brawl and hit me with flamesingle2, i turned around, KNocked him down, dizzied him and beat the heall out of him with my skinner. after his incap (3 hits later, i am still weak) i deathblowed him. I killed a TKA, as i was able to hit him from behind and Dizzied/KDed him, same procedure as with the commando. then i got the combat medic, that hit me with a mind poison. 3 Kills later, situation was all clear again, i realize theburn was still on. 2 more ticks and it stopped. I had 799 Health wounds, but with a total of 3K Health, that didnt even scratch me.
You have to be the moron of PvP to let yoourself get killed by a master commando with a flamethrower.
As a little question to those who got killed and now rant like rabid dogs:
Have you actually ever heard of the term "Doctor Buffs"? I didnt even wear armor (as the attack came by surprise), but you will rarely see me run around overt without buffs.
Either you prepare, or you reap the consequences.
Btw, meditation 4 really helps in gettin rid of wounds.
Oh, and that fight took place on tatooine. In any other place i would have simply ran into water after devastating that commando to get rid of my fire DoT.
Stop whining and learn how to play the game. It is a fact, that the commando deals the least DPS of all combat professions. No intelligent player will ever be one-shotted by a Flamethrower (those that do, lack the nescessary intelligence and foresight for PvP). To be on par with other professions, the damage of the Commando has at least to be doubled! And even that would only level it to the lowest tier. To be the damage dealers they are supposed to be, they have to be given 4 times the amount of damage they do right now.
But i can already see you cry, when a commando deals 28K damage in one hit, just to stay there foe 10 secs without defense.... Of course he was overpowered, as he dealt the same damage you do in one shot instead of 10 shots.
Oh, you crybabies!
Dogg
teminalor give it time master commando and your eyes will open you will see the truth as for
ivoni being a lier well if you knew any thing you wouldint say that
and about masters being less acrat then a flame 2 commando that wouldint saprize me lol the mods in this game seem to all be buged
this thread will never lose its actuallity unless the damage reanges of the commando are fixed...
Dogg
inquistorpayne you 100% right
thees noobs run around complaning all the time and theydon't know nothing
complane about ham cost .......... noob eat food
they complan about on hit kills ............. noob get armor or use bufs
they complan about wounds............... noob get a doc or novic med and buy wound pack bs of the bizzar for cheap
they complan about the dot ............... noob dont get in 16m of a commando
no matter what you say i have the facts and i have posted them we are way out damed by most proffesions
a marksmen pistol 4 with a pre pach krayt fwg5 can spam body shot 2 and out dam us
i know thats sounds werd but its true fwg5 befor pach were geting up to 546 max dam and 1.2 speed
maddogs wrote:
teminalor give it time master commando and your eyes will open you will see the truth as for
ivoni being a lier well if you knew any thing you wouldint say that
and about masters being less acrat then a flame 2 commando that wouldint saprize me lol the mods in this game seem to all be buged
HOLY CRAP! How can he say that I don't know anything... anything.... every other word is spealt wrong, or there is a grammatical error. I know 1 thing... you're a moron.
Oh and your right, I guess if I could read half of that piece of **edit**, what you are trying to say is master commando has worse aim than a flame 2 commando, right? No... you're wrong.
YOU ALL ARE WORNG.
THE DEVS NEED NERFING! The stongest, most powerful weapon in the game...the Dev nerf bat'o'matic!
Xeonus wrote:
YOU ALL ARE WORNG.
THE DEVS NEED NERFING! The stongest, most powerful weapon in the game...the Dev nerf bat'o'matic!
lol
All,
I've pretty much read through this post, and dont get me wrong, we do need work, but your looking at the PvE and PvP sides all wrong.
Remember, this game is STILL in its opening stages, with alot (and yeah...there will be alot in the future) of profession balancing going on. I personally love my abilities PvE. Burning is my life. I cant solo everything, I should be expected to, and the people here arent saying that they want to.
PvP, I dont want to one shot kill everyone, I dont mind if fights turn into long slug fests. The longer the better. Knockdown on any profession needs to be reviewed (**edit** you long ranged classes...lol). Sure, we are a close range class. Sure, people want our Flamethrower Nerfed. I can understand that because you have probably had a....and I mean.. A bad experience against a commando.
Maybe next time I can pull out my Acid Rifle, or maybe throw a grenade...and maybe you can die from laughter. All our classes have issues, its why the devs are still employed, looking at these classes and cutting back or enhancing these kinds of things.
Commandos are not PvP demons...full stop. We are designed as a specialty (and I use that word because of the insane amount of skill points it requires to become a master, even though my spelling skills leave alot to be desired...lol) class. We support the team. We fire the big guns. We setup the traps. We do the espionage. We take the risks. Dont see it, probably hasnt been implemented....yet. Theres an expansion coming up, maybe some change...I dunno.
All I can say it, screaming nerf to our only weapon (and if you say that the launcher pistol is our secondary you should be shaved and sterilized...hehe), is just insane. Maybe nerf Rifles too....oh.....and Swords.....cause they deal alot of damage close range....oh yeah...and fists....
C'mon, the above was a statistical demonstration of the differences in power between the classes. Now work out how many skill points it takes to become master pistoleer or master commando. Bit of a difference. This showed that there is a flaw in this classes ability to defend itself. Its a fighter type profession, same as a BH. They take alot to become them. Alot of hard work. Maybe a bit of hard work can go into balancing them, or giving them a taste (just a little sample) of what we can look forward to in the future.
I enjoy being a commando. I love burnintation. Geez...I even have that macro'd. But I never expected this class to be a PvP or PvE demon type professions. Im just patiently waiting for them to redesign expert classes such as BH and Commando...and put the real nerfs into the classes that deserve it.....Chefs. **edit** you Chefs!
Seriously, for the amount of time, I dont want to be known as the titles they currently have. I want suckers to be sitting back waiting to ambush some of us superior Imperial troops, only to have a bomb secretly setup behind them, or see thier heavy vehicles crash to the group by commando's doing thier job. Infantry....bring it on...but only when I have my mates there to back me up...otherwise I head bush...lol. Im willing to wait and see, not just for Commandos, but for BHs also, and even TK/Docs...oh wait......I think the acid just kicked in..... ;-)
My 2 creds worth.....all the change I have left after replacing my broken flamethrower...lol
Vax
"Fire + Jumping in Water = No more fire."
Tatooine = No Water (okay, one oasis way up by Krayt Canyon).
Though I will say it'd be nice if the Launcher Pistol was Area of Effect... I mean, I usually can't see when the explosions from it go off... it's everywhere.
"Have you actually ever heard of the term "Doctor Buffs"? "
Yeah. And here's a few things about Doctor Buffs: They require a Doctor and they wear off.
While Commando, like every profession, has its problems, "go toMaster Eliteprofession to get uber buffed" is not proof that Commandos are no good. When I have 3k Health instead of 800, a lot of powerful professions seem less powerful. When I get mind buffed, eat Ormacheck and Durendfire and go on a Muon Gold spice bender, BH Eye Shot barely scratches me. Are BHs terrible in PvP because when I'm buffed to the max I can take an unbuffed BH? I hardly think so.
Please, stop using "So thereI was with 3k HAM..." as examples. Not everyone can afford to be buffed 24/7 and Master Doctors aren't always available at times when few people are on. And not everyone expects to be in PvP with time to prepare by running to Coronet, waiting for shuttle transfers, waiting in line to be buffed, then waiting on more shuttles, then running back to wherever they were.
It's great that you can be buffed all the time; truly wonderful for you. But utilizing another Mastered Profession in here is essentially a combo, whether you have the profession or not, and the examples provided in the beginning (but for the BH with Pistoleer) were X vs Y, not X+Z vs Y.
glorfindel23 wrote:
"Have you actually ever heard of the term "Doctor Buffs"? "
Yeah. And here's a few things about Doctor Buffs: They require a Doctor and they wear off.
While Commando, like every profession, has its problems, "go toMaster Eliteprofession to get uber buffed" is not proof that Commandos are no good. When I have 3k Health instead of 800, a lot of powerful professions seem less powerful. When I get mind buffed, eat Ormacheck and Durendfire and go on a Muon Gold spice bender, BH Eye Shot barely scratches me. Are BHs terrible in PvP because when I'm buffed to the max I can take an unbuffed BH? I hardly think so.
Please, stop using "So thereI was with 3k HAM..." as examples. Not everyone can afford to be buffed 24/7 and Master Doctors aren't always available at times when few people are on. And not everyone expects to be in PvP with time to prepare by running to Coronet, waiting for shuttle transfers, waiting in line to be buffed, then waiting on more shuttles, then running back to wherever they were.
It's great that you can be buffed all the time; truly wonderful for you. But utilizing another Mastered Profession in here is essentially a combo, whether you have the profession or not, and the examples provided in the beginning (but for the BH with Pistoleer) were X vs Y, not X+Z vs Y.
Well, first off:
If you cant afford Buffs, dont PvP!
But that aside, easy ways to kill a Commando:
- Dizzy/Knockdown (available to at least 5 Professions)
- Posture Change (no, it does not have a 30 sec timer)
- Standard Knockdown (available to all combat professions)
- Blind (available by almost all Combat Professions)
- Delay (available for Brawler and Smuggler)
- Kiting (available to all combat professions)
I can Kill a commando unbiffed with ease:
Delay (10 secs), Knockdown, Dizzy, 1HBodyHit till dead
I can create a template for your profession as well so that you may utilize your Skills to easily dispatch any Commando (regardless of wether he is buffed or not)
It is almost ridiculous how easy a commando is to kill. For every kill a commando achieved against me, he suffered at least 5 deaths...... That does not sound like a good ratio to me. How can Commandos be PvP gods if i dispatch them so easily?
If they are Gods, what am i? The source of all, the powers That be?
Dogg