Commando Archive
Thread: Grenades, Some info from a Weaponsmith
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Brilyn
Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:35 am
#1
Hey all.
I lurk on here a fair bit, and post from time to time, mainly as I really like making the Commando weaponry.
There's lots of gripes about grenades on here. I'm not going to pin a value on that, or debate if their warranted or unwarranted. I just wanna provide you guys with some information.
The one thing that *always* confused me, was the statement that the ideal range of some Grenades lay within the blast radius of the grenade itself. It confused me because I'd never seen it. Ever.
Now, this issue is NOT going to be dealt with by the Devs.
Because it has ALREADY been dealt with.
The reason I never saw this weird little thing is because I *always* drop a point or two into Ranged Experimentation. And Ranged Experimentation increases the Ideal range for Grenades.
Now, some of you know this already. A lot of ye have already heard this.
But, I have pictures. *grin*
The First two are for a 'normal' all-Damage experimentation for the Proton and Imperial Detonator.
The third pic is an All-Ranged Experimentation for an Imperial Detonator.
The fourth is a compromise on a Proton, between Range and Damage. Now, there's no arguing, the speed on this sucks. I'm not going to debate that, because, well, I can't. 
However, as you can see, you don't lose a hell of a lot on the straight damage min/max. Which means that a Grenade with a decent Ideal range makes a nice opening shot. 3k damage, in a 10m radius is nasty anyway you cut it.
Basically, if you find a Weaponsmith who makes grenades, or even one whose willing to *try*, tell him what you want. If a Commando came to me and said "I want 4 crates of Protons, with a 20m Ideal Range", my response would be "no problem. Same price as normal. Gimme 2 days."
Just something to bear in mind, is all.
Warmaker01
Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:42 am
#3
Interesting. I'd try it more but another fact of the matter is that Grenades are still quite expensive for a small, consumable stack.
I'd try it out if I had more credits.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Brilyn
Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:49 am
#4
< I'd try it more but another fact of the matter is that Grenades are still quite expensive for a small, consumable stack. >
That's a fair point also.
*But* that's not a game mechanic, that's an issue with your seller.
As a weaponsmith, picking a price to sell something at is always difficult, mainly because I'm not a buyer.
I'm not going to post my prices here, because they're quite specific to Starsider, and to my store.
However, if you see grenades for sale, and you feel they're too pricey, send an email to the WS in question.
I'd recommend against "Dewd, y0ur pr!c3$ suclk!!!111!!", but more along the lines of "Hey there. I'm a Commando. I'd like to buy your grenades, but they ain't cost-effective are your prices. Any chance you could charge [insert-reasonable-price-here]? I'd be happy to buy them by the crate at that price."
I, for one, would take such an email under advisement, though I consider my grenade prices fairly low already.
Grenades can be sliced and powerupped.
Brilyn
Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:23 am
#7
Well, *I'm* not forgetting.
I have 33% Area increase powerups on my vendor, and some max damage ones too.
Brilyn
Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:38 am
#8
I got a local Master Commando to test out these two grenades.
Out of the ten shots, he hit *every* time, bar one.
At 30m from the target.
Granted, he could have gotten a lucky streak. I suspect not, however.
If you feel these numbers are crazy, ask your local weaponsmith to make a high Accuracy grenade for you to test.
In the meantime, my tester is trying out an accurate Acid Stream Launcher, Heavy Particle Beam Cannon and Lightening Beam Cannon for me.
Assuming ye care, I'll let ye know how it works out.
Raptor2k1
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:25 pm
#10
Spiffy, heh. I just wish there was a WS like you on Corbantis. I've run into about 2 vendors selling grenades in my entire time of playing the game. 
Brilyn
Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:13 am
#11
Just to reiterate a point, I got an email from my test subject:
" Hey there!
After just missing with an entire stack of regular grenades, I would like to reiterate how good the accurate version grenades are.
I will buy as many accurate thermal detonators, imperial detonators, and proton grenades in crates as I can afford or can carry for as long as I am a commando."
After just missing with an entire stack of regular grenades, I would like to reiterate how good the accurate version grenades are.
I will buy as many accurate thermal detonators, imperial detonators, and proton grenades in crates as I can afford or can carry for as long as I am a commando."
If that's not validation, I don't know what is. 
JeffroTGIF
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:27 pm
#12
I just think Grenades should offer some chance at KD, just a thought/wish
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