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Thread: Ye Olde School Commando rants on the CU & other fun stuff
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Brete
Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:49 pm
#4
I agree with what you say , Heavy weapons should do heavy damage but its just not happening .
If we are doing the same damage as everyone else then at least give us some specials
Litushot
Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:08 pm
#6
DarkHelmet-TIO wrote:
Lies! I said none of that!
LOL!
Anyways, I wish I could be positive and reply with some good positive feedback, but the original poster is sadly right....commandos aren't getting the boost we thought we would....it's going to the BHs instead. Really only BHs were helped, and so far riflemen haven't been hindered at all from their prone specials....
Ackehece
Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:54 pm
#7
You obviously have not been testing enough - our specials suck.Our using other professions specials rock. (in fact to much so - we want roots limited to 35m otherwise they are two powerful and no crossover on the BH top shot as it is better damaging (and faster )then advanced snipershot)
Litushot wrote:
DarkHelmet-TIO wrote:
Lies! I said none of that!
LOL!
Anyways, I wish I could be positive and reply with some good positive feedback, but the original poster is sadly right....commandos aren't getting the boost we thought we would....it's going to the BHs instead. Really only BHs were helped, and so far riflemen haven't been hindered at all from their prone specials....
tacwraith
Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:18 pm
#9
acke, thats why i said rifleman+whatever.
The whole thing is rifles do much more damage than any other proffession and for some idiotic reason rifles are the only weapons in CU so far that reach to 64 and can hit just as accurately at 1m than at 64m.
And they not that sucky as you may think, sniper shot is incredible. Compare that to commando... ummm.. oh wait we dont have specials..nm
The whole thing is rifles do much more damage than any other proffession and for some idiotic reason rifles are the only weapons in CU so far that reach to 64 and can hit just as accurately at 1m than at 64m.
And they not that sucky as you may think, sniper shot is incredible. Compare that to commando... ummm.. oh wait we dont have specials..nm
Shifty123
Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:02 pm
#10
don't waste your breath tac...
A lot of our community is so used to being borderline useless in a slightly broken system that being tolerably effective in the worst combat system ever conceived seems like an improvement for them. That is until a few months in, when they realize what I realized in the first two days of testing. This system takes into account two things - level and weapon.
The game is no more tactical than it was before - imobilize and pound your targets most feasable pool is drained.
What, since now a few more professions have the same ability to imobilize (be it dizzy/kd, snare, or root, the effect is the same) the game is somehow more tactical? Now that no ranged profession is particularly different than another ranged profession and that no melee profession is particularly different than any other melee profession, there are more tactics?
I was one of the most hopeful for the upcoming CU, and now I have completely given up on this game. I haven't logged on or posted in a few days, and this may or maynot be my last post depending whether this trash goes live.
This is hands down the worst excuse for an "Upgrade" I could ever have imagined.
A lot of our community is so used to being borderline useless in a slightly broken system that being tolerably effective in the worst combat system ever conceived seems like an improvement for them. That is until a few months in, when they realize what I realized in the first two days of testing. This system takes into account two things - level and weapon.
The game is no more tactical than it was before - imobilize and pound your targets most feasable pool is drained.
What, since now a few more professions have the same ability to imobilize (be it dizzy/kd, snare, or root, the effect is the same) the game is somehow more tactical? Now that no ranged profession is particularly different than another ranged profession and that no melee profession is particularly different than any other melee profession, there are more tactics?
I was one of the most hopeful for the upcoming CU, and now I have completely given up on this game. I haven't logged on or posted in a few days, and this may or maynot be my last post depending whether this trash goes live.
This is hands down the worst excuse for an "Upgrade" I could ever have imagined.
Shefty Fault 
Imperial Stormtrooper
heapum
Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:28 pm
#11
You haven't taken into account the proton rifle. That thing has the DPS of a pistoleers DE-10 at 64m. that DE-10 only has a range of 35m. That combined with rifleman or BH is extremely deadly. Granted commando as a profession alone is useless, but the devs have pretty much admitted to making commando a power up profession to begin with. And in my opinion thats the best the could do for us in the CU system.
The term commando implies an extremely versatile fighter. they couldn't stuff everything that is commando into one profession since the whole gamut of ranged profs can be considered aspects of a commando. Doesn't any special forces unit know how to use pistols, rifles, machine guns, explosives and any other type of gun out there. They gave us that ability to use any kinds of gun effectively and adapt any weapon to our needs using the special attacks. Under that horrible SWG combat system thats the best thing to happen to commando.
Commando is not a profession. Its a combat template. My only beef with the commando setup is all the weaponery is under powered except to Proton rifle. I could trade out any other commando weapon for a carbine/rifle/pistol equivelent and be just as effective in combat. Also to be turely effective using commando you either have to have master marksman or MBH. That will give you the general ranged speed to keep up with every other combat prof.
tacwraith
Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:28 am
#12
I'd like to open my rant with an amusing thought:
Every time I log on to the CU and test commando, I hear Rick Moranis(Dark Helmet from SpaceBalls) voice in the back of my head squealing: 'KEEP FIRING A-HOLES!'
And thats what Commando has become in the CU. Pipsqueaks with big stuff who cant do sh*t.
If you're laughing at this comparison then stop reading, you're not an old school commando and you probably wont understand whats below. Go back to playing QuakeCU.
Rant 1: "That was my virgin-alarm. It's programmed to go off before you do!"
Ond ye gods did it go off! This is the part where old school commandos can say "I TOLD YOU SO!" when they see the CU changes. We all knew SOE was gonna screw it all up yet again and we were not dissapointed. Still we hoped... and it was for naught.
Rant 2:
"-I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
-What's that make us?
-Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become."
We have been turned into a quake add-on for all other proffessions. A master rifleman/bh/carbineer/pistoleer (any 1) with 1 branch of any commando non-grenade branch is 10X as powerful as a master commando with 1 branch in rifles/pistols/bh/carbineer. Dont believe me? Go test it in CU. No matter what combo you take another proffession with just a branch or 2 of commando will school you.
Rant 3:
"Say good-bye to your two best friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago."
The shoulder fired heavy weapons replaced by nonconsumable quakelike weapons which are slower do less damage than any other elite proffession. Rocket launchers, Particle Cannons... all the weapons which defined the commando as the one-shot heavy damage with AOE at a second's notice with long delay specialist is now GONE. Replaced with just another clone of a marksman proffession's weapon with some extra graphics and aoe damage included.
2 master commandos standing shooting each other with the same master marksman special (lethal shot) until they die... takes about 2 minutes. 2 master commandos using an alliance needler carbine with same lethal shot special: takes 1.5 minutes. Better than old school weapons? HECK NO.
Our best friends are gone.. never fixed as we requested (easier to craft, much higher damage, longer delay to balance it out) and now shot in the back of the head behind whatever horehouse the SOE devs are pimping their product at.
Rant 4:
(Skroob, Helmet, and Sanders reach the cancellation button)
Dark Helmet: Out of order? F**K! Even in the future, nothing works!"
Ranged defenses, ranged accuracy.. dont work in the CU. Knowing SOE they will let this go live for a few months until the massive whining from superhigh damage weapons+specials (aka rifleman+whatever) imbalance reach critical level.
My CU commando has 290 something general ranged accuracy, 190 ranged defense, with Elite Carbine in hand being PRONE 5m away from a rifleman dabbler who has 30 ranged defense, 80 ranged accuracy+20 rifle accuracy standing and using a RIFLE: He hits me all the time and I hit him back all the time. Of course he hits for 600 I hit for 200 per shot both of us using the same special attack from marksman.
Rant 5:
[Playing with his dolls]
Dark Helmet: [In Dark Helmet voice] And now Princess Vespa, I have you in my clutches, to have my wicked way with you, the way I want to. [In Vespa voice] No, no, go away, I hate you! And yet... I find you strangely attractive. [In D.H. voice] Of course you do! Druish princesses are often attracted to money and power, and I have both, and you *know* it! [In V. voice] No, no, leave me alone! [In DH voice] No, kiss me! [V.] No! Stop! [DH] Yes, yes! [V.] Oh, oh, oh! Ohhhh, your helmet is so big!
^ The CU as SOE sees it.
Rant 6:
"Colonel Sandurz: Sir, do you think we're being too literal?
Dark Helmet: No you fool, we're following orders. We were told to comb the desert so we're combing it."
At what point did the devs began combing the desert? Aside from the grenades, the rest of our feedback was practically thrown into the garbage.
Rant 7:
"Colonel Sandurz: They must have hyperjets on that thing.
Dark Helmet: And what do we have on this thing? A cuisinart? "
I actually said that to a fellow commando in the CU. We both looked at our heavy particle cannon popguns and cried.
Rant 8:
"Prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo!"
On may 5th....
Rant 9:
"Dark Helmet: If there's one thing I despise, it is a fair fight. But if I must, then I must. May the best man win. Put 'er there.
[Reaches out to shake Lone Starr's hand and takes his Schwartz ring]
Dark Helmet: The Ring! I can't believe you fell for the oldest trick in the book! What a fool, what's with you man, c'mon? Here let me give it back to you. Oh!
[throws it down a hole]
Dark Helmet: Oh, look at that, you fell for that too! I can't believe it, man! "
Oddly familiar situation for those of us who have been here since launch and now see this CU...
Rant 10:
"Barf: I know we need the money, but...
Lone Starr: Listen! We're not just doing this for money... We're doing it for a SH*T LOAD of money!
Barf: Oh, you're right. And when you're right, you're right. And you - you're always right."
Hah! SOE executive meeting right there!
Every time I log on to the CU and test commando, I hear Rick Moranis(Dark Helmet from SpaceBalls) voice in the back of my head squealing: 'KEEP FIRING A-HOLES!'
And thats what Commando has become in the CU. Pipsqueaks with big stuff who cant do sh*t.
If you're laughing at this comparison then stop reading, you're not an old school commando and you probably wont understand whats below. Go back to playing QuakeCU.
Rant 1: "That was my virgin-alarm. It's programmed to go off before you do!"
Ond ye gods did it go off! This is the part where old school commandos can say "I TOLD YOU SO!" when they see the CU changes. We all knew SOE was gonna screw it all up yet again and we were not dissapointed. Still we hoped... and it was for naught.
Rant 2:
"-I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
-What's that make us?
-Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become."
We have been turned into a quake add-on for all other proffessions. A master rifleman/bh/carbineer/pistoleer (any 1) with 1 branch of any commando non-grenade branch is 10X as powerful as a master commando with 1 branch in rifles/pistols/bh/carbineer. Dont believe me? Go test it in CU. No matter what combo you take another proffession with just a branch or 2 of commando will school you.
Rant 3:
"Say good-bye to your two best friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago."
The shoulder fired heavy weapons replaced by nonconsumable quakelike weapons which are slower do less damage than any other elite proffession. Rocket launchers, Particle Cannons... all the weapons which defined the commando as the one-shot heavy damage with AOE at a second's notice with long delay specialist is now GONE. Replaced with just another clone of a marksman proffession's weapon with some extra graphics and aoe damage included.
2 master commandos standing shooting each other with the same master marksman special (lethal shot) until they die... takes about 2 minutes. 2 master commandos using an alliance needler carbine with same lethal shot special: takes 1.5 minutes. Better than old school weapons? HECK NO.
Our best friends are gone.. never fixed as we requested (easier to craft, much higher damage, longer delay to balance it out) and now shot in the back of the head behind whatever horehouse the SOE devs are pimping their product at.
Rant 4:
(Skroob, Helmet, and Sanders reach the cancellation button)
Dark Helmet: Out of order? F**K! Even in the future, nothing works!"
Ranged defenses, ranged accuracy.. dont work in the CU. Knowing SOE they will let this go live for a few months until the massive whining from superhigh damage weapons+specials (aka rifleman+whatever) imbalance reach critical level.
My CU commando has 290 something general ranged accuracy, 190 ranged defense, with Elite Carbine in hand being PRONE 5m away from a rifleman dabbler who has 30 ranged defense, 80 ranged accuracy+20 rifle accuracy standing and using a RIFLE: He hits me all the time and I hit him back all the time. Of course he hits for 600 I hit for 200 per shot both of us using the same special attack from marksman.
Rant 5:
[Playing with his dolls]
Dark Helmet: [In Dark Helmet voice] And now Princess Vespa, I have you in my clutches, to have my wicked way with you, the way I want to. [In Vespa voice] No, no, go away, I hate you! And yet... I find you strangely attractive. [In D.H. voice] Of course you do! Druish princesses are often attracted to money and power, and I have both, and you *know* it! [In V. voice] No, no, leave me alone! [In DH voice] No, kiss me! [V.] No! Stop! [DH] Yes, yes! [V.] Oh, oh, oh! Ohhhh, your helmet is so big!
^ The CU as SOE sees it.
Rant 6:
"Colonel Sandurz: Sir, do you think we're being too literal?
Dark Helmet: No you fool, we're following orders. We were told to comb the desert so we're combing it."
At what point did the devs began combing the desert? Aside from the grenades, the rest of our feedback was practically thrown into the garbage.
Rant 7:
"Colonel Sandurz: They must have hyperjets on that thing.
Dark Helmet: And what do we have on this thing? A cuisinart? "
I actually said that to a fellow commando in the CU. We both looked at our heavy particle cannon popguns and cried.
Rant 8:
"Prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo!"
On may 5th....
Rant 9:
"Dark Helmet: If there's one thing I despise, it is a fair fight. But if I must, then I must. May the best man win. Put 'er there.
[Reaches out to shake Lone Starr's hand and takes his Schwartz ring]
Dark Helmet: The Ring! I can't believe you fell for the oldest trick in the book! What a fool, what's with you man, c'mon? Here let me give it back to you. Oh!
[throws it down a hole]
Dark Helmet: Oh, look at that, you fell for that too! I can't believe it, man! "
Oddly familiar situation for those of us who have been here since launch and now see this CU...
Rant 10:
"Barf: I know we need the money, but...
Lone Starr: Listen! We're not just doing this for money... We're doing it for a SH*T LOAD of money!
Barf: Oh, you're right. And when you're right, you're right. And you - you're always right."
Hah! SOE executive meeting right there!
Eskywalker70
Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:51 am
#13
Princess Vespa: "He shot my hair! Okay you son of a b******!"
(Way lays the whole Spaceball Squadron)
My feelings on the upcoming CU.
(Way lays the whole Spaceball Squadron)
My feelings on the upcoming CU.
Message Edited by Eskywalker70 on 04-24-2005 03:56 AM
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