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Thread: tk/rifle/fencer on nerf

S1NZ
Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:53 am
#1
okay I'm ready to get toasted here, but Imma say it anywayz..I'm a tkm/master rifleman/fencer


I have to admit the nerf to the dot..not the stackin of dotz but the damage done by dotz is .. "BS" , but on the other side.. because of the other wayz there takin away (which I also don't think is needed) is the only viable "fix"


hear me out first before ya toast me.. now with the "new and improved" system.. if I was to duel a commando all he needs to do is hit me once.. no matter what I do.. if I don't hit him with kd warcry or all the other tacticz I have.. itz over.. thatz it done..no more.. and well that first hit is all button pushin and who challenges who first..


this can't be fair.. what chance is there for melee at all anymore.. and when did commando become a duelin class?


with the "old and obsolete" system I had a chance that a commando would miss.. granted if he hit me I was dead, but I still had a chance to live..(stackable defense) also he had a chance to hit me.. even with +160 to range defense I could still sometimes get hit. and then I would die by either the initial hit or the burn (dodge counter and block don't really help cuz well you still burn).this I could live with because I had a chance.


and yes I have dabbled at one time with the 0-0-4-0 commando so I can appreciate the burn also I can understand the frustration of lack of other things(HAR and grenades whatz the point), but I do believe that takin away stackable defense.. our only real defense vs commandos .. they messed up.. and now in pvp commandos are so overpowered (due to the fact that your one hit is so much stronger then anything in the game and you can't miss) your gettin told to grab your ankles..


maybe the best thing would be to leave things alone how they were.. but I guess a crafter/combat or entertainer/combatguy has the loudest voice..


-Sinz-

thinkin of switchin to pike/droid engineer.. then I won't get frustrated by things gettin worse..but then anything can happen...
Lifylos
Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:45 am
#2
Wow we can now give you the "annoying dabbler award!"



Anyways neccasary sracasm aside. Being 0-0-4-0 commando doesnt make you a commando, it makes you a flame monkey.do you know what the odds are of us hitting a PC with no Defenses is? Not high. And if you have buffs, and heat resist armor, who says its a one shot kill? Even with noheat resists, if you wear composite youre still taking a chunk out of our attack. Not to mention we have to wait 8-10 seconds. to do anything but run. Against a person who comes prepared to PvP, Then even if a comando hits you with his strongest attack, the only ailment it will inflit on you is a dot, and little damage. And in this upcoming publish, they are introducing a food called flameout,that reduces damage from the first 5 atttack to hit you by 85%. stack that with composite armor, AP0 Flamer,lack of accuracy,and our huge delay, commandoes still arent viable




And on your "since when is commando a duelin class?" remark, since when was TKM/Fencer/Rifleman the god mode Proffesion? How bouat you go and learn something before you post here with your annoying whining ok?

I hate to be bitter, but Im tired of people assuming that commandos are just SO overpowered.



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maddogs
Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:47 am
#3

im not going to flame you becous you came out nice now let me fill you in on whats on TC



dots wont stack any more


dots take in rezsist


dot now is much less powerful what use to tic for 1000 now only 100 10% of what it use to be (they really nerfd us bad)



as for one hit kills this is esy to stop 3 difrent ways now

1 armor

2buffs

3 COB we cant hit a guy who is centerd for the life of us


and if you have armor or buffed we will never kill you becous we hit you and you can esly heal and why were waiting to fier agen you kill us and after we die you deal with a dot that tics for 100 dam every 10 secs and can be esly put out now after pach the fact is with all the new stuf comeing out commandos will be the least of your worryes



ps i dont like the defences not staking but there were ppl who whanted to be gods and exploted them stacking so now we all get nerfd i rather they fix it then nerf it like make a max you can stack on every stat





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zenixoda
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:33 pm
#4
sounds like someones crying nerf on a nerfed to the max prof


moron



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NightRaider
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:40 pm
#5
First off for a TKM to cry nerf on anyone is retarded. I hunt with a TKM and he does more damage with his hands per hit than i do with any of my commabdo weapons. Oh and lets talk about Kncokdown dizzy theres a joke all in istself. I watched my TKM buddy take out npc's and they could not get back up to ever hit back yeah real challenge there. Oh how about that TKM knockdown in PVP supposed to be 5m range but knock peopel down from 15-20m and they cant get up. Or the spamming of that stupid kick. I say shut the hell if any proff needs the nerf bat its TKM.



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Wolfmann31
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:47 pm
#6
Before, when people didn't know much about buffs, spices and foods..The duel was over when you were put on fire.


But claiming so today, is comming out of the closet and say you are uneducated. (not hitting at you..)


I have helped others survive a 3 stack burn. All you needed was a friend who was willing to heal wounds, and yourself to pop a neutron pixie, or a good health spice/food, and pop stim B's...No need for water...It is annoying, but it is way easier to outlive than a poison/disease.


I have survived, alone, 2 stack burns and 1 stack burns. My armor takes most of the attack, so, before the burn starts ticking, I have really alot of time to slay the commando burning me..and prepare to counter the burn. Either by sprinting to the nearest water, or get ready to heal.


Only times I have not been able to counter the burns, are when I could not win, or discontinue the fight.


They say that our burns are the most uber in this game....PvP and PvE.


In PvE, it is strong, but it is also the only thing that makes our DPS competable with those lesser Elite professions.

In PvP, it is not so strong..But it is annoying. It has its counters, like spice up and outheal it, as it is not as long lasting as one should think, or jump into water (better know where the oasises on Tat is). And soon, we are to get more ways of countering our burns..Free for all Fire extinguishers, Fire resist mods, tumble to put out the fire(Maddogs this true?).....


Do you get what I am saying?....while combat medics, a support profession, can poison and disease people from 90m+(with the "blast range")..And their DoTs, can target the pool of their wish, and can tick for 500-900..depending on how good they are...And our only counter to those are...A doctor.

While commandos, a combat profession, can only apply a burn, from 16m, if he hits....And the devs find it so devious, that they arrange for everyone to be able to counter it, in many different ways....


So, we end up with a 100% combat profession, who has 3/4 of its profession broken, having the last 1/4 nerfed to heck,making the profession the most SP costing profession, with the lowest DPS of all combat professions....While a Support profession, who can turn the tide of a large battle with a single toss..gets a pat on the back and told "good work, you work as intended"....


Oh well..

I'm a commando, and I'm loyal to the end, even if I end up killing durnis for the rest of my carieer.



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maddogs
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:57 pm
#7
tumble to put out the fire(Maddogs this true?).....


no it is not proven on TC yet but i do think it has a slit changs of doing so


i wana run more test on TC but i havent had the changes yet


but we have defintly lost about 50% of are dam out put

and this is without resits if they have any heat resit we well loos alot more then 50% of are dam out put



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Steagles
Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:17 pm
#8
yep, they think its cool to disgrace the english language...


when its nothing but a pre-teen game of pretending their cool..


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Bloodborn
Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:37 pm
#9

Well thanks to their bull shiot I deleted my wookiee commando/tka cause he come thursday would be completely worthless not good at all PvP and not good at all in PvE which leaves commandos where that ass wanted us to be.... dead in the water. Thank you soe when WoW comes out be assured that me and alot of others with give you the big ol /finger of disgust award. I also sent a letter to lucasarts about you ruining the game and I suggest as many people as possible to do the same.


I had little to really cry about but this just did it...




TechnoHic
Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:44 pm
#10

Tac is right, this guy brings up some good points but just doesnt realize all he has to do is use a good set of armor, some buffs, and the new fire extinguisher will make us anyonesB I T C H.


SINS, Im guessing since you are talking about TKA and rifleman, you dont like to where armor so much because of the HAM cost of your specials, and with the defeses you have, why bother. If the defense stacking goes away( Which I heard TH saying something about a middle ground), along with this new HAM system for specials, you will be able to just where whatever armor you can fit and it wont effect your regen rate so I suggest doing so, and go buffed. I personaly dont know of many that walk around to PvP unbuffed, duels maybe, but not GCW. Do this and you'll have nothing to fear from us after this patch even if we hit you everytime, there is now way we will match you in damage over time without our DOT.


I too am feeling the loss of defense stacking will hurt us major, I still got my precision striking 4 and will untill I see defense stacking really go, but the lowsy 35 we will have wont be worth crap! I personally didnt notice much till I got to about 70 or so to both, and god knows how much defensive acuity was effecting this. For us this means we, even those of us that used to stack, will get hit everytime at range by kiters with no way of defending ourselves, unless they fix our other wweapons and give us some ranged specials. In melee range, it will be a slugfest but sad to say we wont be able match DPS without the DOT, or even come close with the defenses in their, so we are screwed.


TH said loss of defense stacking will make our HWs more usefull since we will be able to hit more but thats a no go under 30m, and the problem isnt so much that they miss (although its part) its the fact that they are expensive and cost way to much HAM, then while 5000 damage may look nice, there is no special that adds a damage modifier. Yes RLs are nice but when you weigh in the price and HAM and everything they are not that worth it. We really need some non-consumable weapons and specials at 64m.





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TechnoHic
Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:46 pm
#11

Oh and guys, I dont think this stuff is on this patch this thursday.


Dont act so drastically.





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ArclightX
Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:07 pm
#12
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Oh how about that TKM knockdown in PVP supposed to be 5m range but knock peopel down from 15-20m and they cant get up


I think you might be talking about unarmed lunge which has a 20m range, (unarmed lunge2 I think has a higher modifier too), either way thisis not aTK skill, thisis abrawler skill which even commando's have (you require having unarmed4 right?), and it does knock you down it changes your posture, usually from standing to kneeling, which of course lets us run up and do whatever, UH3, Dizzy, Stun, Warcry, KD, etc....


For What it's worth I don't think commando's are overpowered, more generally I can see where anyone might think another profession is overpowered if they don't know how to use there own and they fight against some one who knows how to use there profession/specials.



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Raptor2k1
Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:52 pm
#13
Really? So I guess this means we actually have a KD we can use then? That could prove useful in the future...



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