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Thread: Well, it has been 2 months since TH promised us the friday feature

aeuralis
Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:30 am
#1

And still no word or hint of it. I understand Garvin's theory on why they havenot told us.


But we need to remind them that we have not forgotten their promises to us and we demand that they fufill them.


Second, if Garvin's theory is right, they need to come here and say that themselves. We would be alot less disgruntled if they would update us on their plans and motives for doing things.





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DrakkoFett
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:30 am
#2

JTL release date is October 27, so we don't have much longer to wait. Try and relax.


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RankorCity
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 am
#3

Are you really surprised? Honestly?


In my honest opinion, Thunderheart is:


  • Completely hamstrung by upper management, thus reducing his ability to be honest with us (or the player base as a whole)

or



  • In over his head

  • suffers from bad time management

  • has absolutely pisspoor communications skills (actually, without a doubt he lacks these skills, along with 90 percent of the posting devs and csr's)

  • a pathological liar

  • restricted from talking about anything BUT JTL

  • all of the above

Someone went and collected all the posts he made about the CB, and organized them into one post in chronological order. It was completely clear that he hadnt been upfront with us (all players) about the game.


I dunno. I am trying to convince myself to keep playing, but it gets harder and harder everyday. Its sad....Sometimes I log in, talk to friends and never leave my house...LOL





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Ryubushi
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:07 am
#4






RankorCity wrote:

Are you really surprised? Honestly?


In my honest opinion, Thunderheart is:


  • Completely hamstrung by upper management, thus reducing his ability to be honest with us (or the player base as a whole)

or



  • In over his head

  • suffers from bad time management

  • has absolutely pisspoor communications skills (actually, without a doubt he lacks these skills, along with 90 percent of the posting devs and csr's)

  • a pathological liar

  • restricted from talking about anything BUT JTL

  • all of the above

Someone went and collected all the posts he made about the CB, and organized them into one post in chronological order. It was completely clear that he hadnt been upfront with us (all players) about the game.


I dunno. I am trying to convince myself to keep playing, but it gets harder and harder everyday. Its sad....Sometimes I log in, talk to friends and never leave my house...LOL








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garvin
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:14 am
#5

I know for a fact that if TH, Tiggs or any of the Devs wanted to do a sweet Friday Feature on the Revamp they have plenty of Content to use...SO...that's where my theories for the hold up really get their strength from...They have it, they could post it, but something is gumming things up...


I'm also guessing that TH is a lot like many of us who have the Revamp Knowledge...We desperately want to share is it sucks that we can't...So, my guess is still that someone or some group is preventing TH from sharing the info even though I'm sure he really wants to...



Garvin Lansdowne
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Rockhurst
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:01 am
#6




garvin wrote:

I know for a fact that if TH, Tiggs or any of the Devs wanted to do a sweet Friday Feature on the Revamp they have plenty of Content to use...SO...that's where my theories for the hold up really get their strength from...They have it, they could post it, but something is gumming things up...





Yes, but how hard would it be for TH or Tiggs just to come out and say "hey, we want to make getting JTL our only priority right now.Expect the Revamp info to start flowing in the first few weeks after release".


Granted, I believe you're correct that they want the focus to be on JTL, but is that really the way to go? The way I see it, they have 3 customers:



  • Those that have never played SWG, but will b/c of JTL

  • Those that are playing it now and love it

  • Those that are playing it now and are getting disgruntled/bored

  • Those that played before but left

JTL, as things stand now, really only appeal to the first two and some of the 4th. If marketing really wanted JTL to hit the way they want it to, they should make every effort to retain the disgruntled players and bring back past players? How do you do that? You get them excited about what's happening with the ground game. By releasing the docs you only risk impacting #1 & #2. But, #1 players are coming to play JTL so they really won't care about what's happening with the ground game. If anything, it would make them more excited since things should be much more enjoyable post Revamp. #2 is tricky because there are plenty of players that are comfortable in the easy god-mode gameplay we have today and won't like the changes the Revamp brings. There's not a whole lot you can do about that. I would think the Marketing folks would want to pimp the revamp some before JTL. Granted, you don't want it being a distraction from JTL, but a complement to it.





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StarNick
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:38 pm
#7


My 3 cents and 2 quarters:


Anyone here know about Fable? And how the game's creator mentioned some cool features that never got into the game, therefor pissing off a great number of fans? And how he recently made an apology to those fans and promised not to get so excited when being interviewed, and to double check what he wants to do and concept ideas aren't mixed up with content already made?


I see that here...great ideas, some good talent...but no matter what ball the devs hit they loose. They're damned if they dont say anything, they're damned if they say too much and can't make all the promises.


Thats exactly what has happened...however, I disagree on either side....they're too extreme. Its better staying in the middle, release alot of information...talk about what you want to do, fill goals and promises in a reasonable time...but also have disclaimers or constantly keep up to date with the community on what ideas cant or can be used. This is vital more to a MMORPG like galaxies than other games, and really is needed. Along the lines of those old state of the game posts by JustG, the devs did in fact hit some of their goals if you look at a few of the last ones...


They really just need to find a balance on everything, and most likely they wont be able to till after JTL...as thats taking up all their attention (this is an example...anyone could have seen this coming, with the pre-JTL mad rush). Speaking of JTL...it'll either make or break the game, and really atm has messed up the dev's schedule big time....


Anyways...starting to drone on like some politicians that put me to sleep (seriously)...remember, SWG isnt the only game out there...yes you do pay monthly for it, but a few days of a break IRL or on another game won't kill you. Still playing the waiting game...just gotta presevere...


Edit: Also, not really blaming anyone with this...this is human nature and can't really change that....sorta like getting embarrassed in front of class, you lay low for a while... heh But seriously, due to past mistakes as garvin said, the most likely explaination is that they're restrained from telling us unwashed masses all the new revamp info and stuff...

Message Edited by StarNick on 10-14-2004 04:40 PM



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aeuralis
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:54 pm
#8

But making a statement like


"Due the demands of launching JTL, we will be unable to release any info about the Revamp until it has been released. Once that has happened, We will beworking toward releasing the Revamp docsvery quickly."


That is not too much ask or promising too much. What it does is let the community understand what they are doing and what thier plan is.



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Chabian
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:58 pm
#9

The Devs withholding information is destroying the game.

My roomate quit yesterday and my good friend 3 days prior.

I really wish they'd come out and say something about the revamp like they promised a while back

- Takai
garvin
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:58 pm
#10






Rockhurst wrote:




garvin wrote:

I know for a fact that if TH, Tiggs or any of the Devs wanted to do a sweet Friday Feature on the Revamp they have plenty of Content to use...SO...that's where my theories for the hold up really get their strength from...They have it, they could post it, but something is gumming things up...





Yes, but how hard would it be for TH or Tiggs just to come out and say "hey, we want to make getting JTL our only priority right now.Expect the Revamp info to start flowing in the first few weeks after release".





That's kind of the thing that makes me wonder...I as well as many other Correspondents have asked for the same thing...Some type of statement (if the JTL theory is true) posted publically on what the hold up is and when we can expect more info...


Many of us agree that the general public will be upset to hear information won't be coming out until JTL releases, but no more upset then they already are about being kept in the dark...We haven't really recevied any feedback on that request about some type of announcement except for an occasional "We'll hopefully have more info we can report soon"...


I'm thinking that maybe a group of players might flame so at any type of post made that isn't the Revamp docs themselves that they may think it's better to to keep people speculating a bit longer to possibly avoid flameserupting ona massive scale that could inturn further impact JTL's initial sales and hoopla...


Personally I think their sales would do better of more confidence was built up in the future of the ground game proir to JTL's release...but that's just me....




Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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aeuralis
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:38 pm
#11

It makes me wonder too, Garvin.



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RankorCity
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:23 pm
#12






garvin wrote:




That's kind of the thing that makes me wonder...I as well as many other Correspondents have asked for the same thing...Some type of statement (if the JTL theory is true) posted publically on what the hold up is and when we can expect more info...


Many of us agree that the general public will be upset to hear information won't be coming out until JTL releases, but no more upset then they already are about being kept in the dark...We haven't really recevied any feedback on that request about some type of announcement except for an occasional "We'll hopefully have more info we can report soon"...


I'm thinking that maybe a group of players might flame so at any type of post made that isn't the Revamp docs themselves that they may think it's better to to keep people speculating a bit longer to possibly avoid flameserupting ona massive scale that could inturn further impact JTL's initial sales and hoopla...


Personally I think their sales would do better of more confidence was built up in the future of the ground game proir to JTL's release...but that's just me....







According to Hayden Blackman, by virture of his interview after the announcement of the delay of the Combat Balance, the players that were unhappy with the delay of the CB are in the minority....The happy players are playing the game.../rolleyes


That being the case, in Blackman's infinite wisdom, why worry about getting negative feedback, if we are in such the minority?


The "minority" of the players that complained are also the only people that give them feedback on what works and what doesnt, what needs changing, etc. I would be interested to know what percentage of players in game actively post on the forums. I would be interested to know how many pistoleers and commandos (for example) out there have never stepped foot in their professions respective forums.


IMHO, they are hoping the release takes the players attention off the faults of the ground/core game, so that they arent worried about it anymore and will spend the majority of their time in space.


Everyone knows the rumors going around right now (LA is unhappy with the game, after JTL SOE and LA will split up and LA will take control of the game, etc), the rumored announcement of the second expansion (maybe the "live" version of SWG instead of the pay-beta we are in now? LOL), etc etc etc....They are hoping that JTL will be the salvation of the game. It wont be.


It has been repeatedly said that the team working on JTL bugs after release will be a different team than what is working on the CB/R....This seems counterproductive to me, that you take the team that built JTL and put them on the CB/R while putting a different team on JTL (that wasnt involved in the initial build - therefore not having the intimate knowledge of JTL that will be required to de-bug it...If this is the case, which is what I gather from what Garvin has told me/us)...Or will be it be a small group of the current JTL design team that stays on to debug it?


This is one of those times where no news isnt good news....Its bad news. I understand they want their focus on JTL. Thats fine. But TH (or whomever) CAN take a few minutes ONE day and say "Hey guys, just to let you know about the CB/R, this is the schedule, this is what we have in store, etc etc etc). Maybe Garvin is right, TH is gun shy about mentioning anything about it. Well, he damn well should be. After all the empty promises he has made, the man ought to feel like he is walking on eggshells. But he has noone to blame but himself. I realize he cant say "Hey guys, I know I promised you a FF on Commando, oh about 2 months ago, but the higher ups have my hands tied and I cant say anything about the CB, only JTL, so keep paying us 15 bucks a month and keep playing a busted core game"...


The following statement would go a LONG way towards keeping the current player base happy, which will keep them playing:


"Good day


As you know we have been quiet about the upcoming Combat Balance. This has been due to the fact that we have all our focus on JTL to deliver the best product we can on time...I know you are frustrated. So, that you dont think we have forgotten about you, here is the following anticipated schedule for the CB. Keep in mind, this is a schedule, a goal, nothing is set in stone and is subject to change:


xx date - release of JTL

xx date - release of revamp docs, along with the requisite hellfire and brimstone posts (i quit because i am not uber and cant pwn anymore you suck swg!1!1!) and praise posts

xx date - sandbox goes live (with the absolute best resources available to all players so to be able to make the best armor and weapons the game has ever seen - 1000 to all stats, so they wont be suprised when players make new uber armor and weapons)

xx date - sanbox closes, data is analyzed

xx date - cb/r is put on test center, with blue frogs

xx date - cb/r is pushed live


Again, this is our schedule, and it will most likely change depending on what obstacles we run into...Keep up with your respective correspondents for further info"


(collective cheer/sigh of relief from the masses, collective flaming begins due to the CB not happening NOW)


The fact that they have ignored the masses (er, minority) so long is not a good thing. Which begs the question: If we are the minority, why worry what we think?



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garvin
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:07 pm
#13

Quick update...Just heard from TH that it is confirmed that JTL is the reason for the lack of communication...That no revamp details will come out until after JTL launches, but when it does launch, to expect BIG news and actions to come quickly...TH even hinted at a surprise in the works that all of us (everyone, not just commandos) will like (he's trying to get approval to spill the beans before he tells us)...Not sure what that would be, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they figured out a way to up the amount of people we can have on the Sandbox...



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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