Commando Archive

Thread: No Revamp For Us Anytime Soon...RE: JustG's Recent State of the Game...

garvin
Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:42 pm
#1
Go read it at:

http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/team_comments.jsp?id=61526&page=Team%20Comments


There are 2 major things that I find VERY interesting...


We have made a decision to address major combat issues only and not do the full combat balance at this time. After the Crafting Experimentation experience, we realized that we need to spend more time than a single publish to truly accomplish our goal, which is to make combat fun and engaging. To have the depth to combat that I think everyone wants in the system we want get much more player feedback and balance on these types of things. We will be developing the Combat Balance separately in a Sandbox over a long period of time, with plenty of Test Center and correspondent participation. We will release this one when it is ready... and not before.


What does this mean? We have been constantly told to wait until the Combat Rebalance to find the fixes and solutions to many of our Commando woes...But if a "full combat balance" is not actually going into effect, where does that leave us?


And secondly...There is no mention of any type of Commando Revamp all the way through Patch 11...If we figure that a Major patch comes, on average, once per month (sometimes longer)and we are currently getting ready for Patch 8, we could be stuck with minor tweaks and tiny changes/updates all the way through July/August...That seems way to long to see a bit of Commando love...Overall consensus of the Commando Forum members seems to be that we need either a major overhaul or at least a partial one (2 trees specifically)...We know we need some serious attention...


I know everyone feels their profession is more screwed up then anyone else...our opinions are just as valuable as everyone else...I try not to criticise other professions, but are Entertainers really so messed up that they need more love then other hurting professions out there (as in Commandos, Bounty Hunters, etc.)...I'm willing to wait my turn and all, but that really is a long time to sit and wait...I can't see us having many Commando's left in our profession if told they have to wait another 4 or more months for updates/fixes that we've been asking for since Beta...


Anyway...just thought I'd share my opinions an quick thoughts...Whether I become the Temporary Correspondent or someone else does, this needs to be brought to the Dev's attention...We need love too...



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie
Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith
ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

KeziEka
Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:53 pm
#2
I agree.


After reading JustG's state of the game letter, I can't help but think that we're left out in the cold for another 6 to 8 months. It really is depressing that the devs choose to focus on a part of the game that's less than 2% of the population (Jedi) for TWO publishes. To me, that's kind of rediculous.


All along we've been told, wait for the combat balance in publish 8. It will solve all of your problems! Now, what we're getting is "oh, that's alot of work, so we're just going to do jedi for two publishes". To me, it's rude and thoughtless for the combat communities that need work.


We're going to need a replacement correspondant soon, because I feel that we're being screwed yet again. I've personally been getting sick of the same thing every month, and I can't see keeping a subscription much longer if things remain the way they are.



-Kezi Eka
Master Commando
Apprentice Sharpshooter
SkipMalone
Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:23 pm
#3

Well this is very disenchanting news. I was going back up to master in hopes that publish 8 was going to give us some love. But if they are gonna spend 2 publishes on reworking jedi? Then I'll quit this game before I ever see a commando fix. Im sure Im not the only one who fels this way. Way to go SOE for ignoring the community once again. If I could I would 1 star them all. Now I know why CGM gave SWG the "coaster of the Year award".






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Daker-Naritus
Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:02 pm
#4

Damn, Garvin beat me to it...



See: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=commando&message.id=53093




My comment from my other thread:






So....what the heck do we do now?



In JustG's plan, he includes several slots in the production schedule for "Correspondent Issues."Some of them in each publish. We need to identify several (as in 3-4)SIMPLE, clearly defined things that we want fixed as correspondent issues. If we make a clear proposal that looks appealing, we might be the squeaky wheel that gets the grease first.



Start thinking, and when our new Correspondent (*cough Garvin*) get tapped we can get quickly organized.



We WILL get fixed! Oh yes! We will!




Message Edited by Daker-Naritus on 03-24-2004 07:04 PM

darkguyver
Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:24 pm
#5
thats it iam finaly sick of the damn runnaround as it stands now we have been ingnored. i am no longer going to give SOE my Time or Money . there are better games ( WoW, COH and L2 ) I may come back when and if there is a space expansion. iam sorry that this post is so negitive but there is no othre way to vent my feeling.



Vae victus "suffering to the conquered."
inlord
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:19 pm
#6

Yes at this point i just yell at my computer screen and yell 4 letter words.


SOE, Should be SOB .. Thats what i say evertime I shoot a Rocket or throw my Protons and they miss, any we all know how happy we all feal when that happens 2 twice in a row. even better it happend 3 times last night.S O B thats all i have to say ! *VENT*




-III-

- I support a rollback and keeping & balancing the old combat system.
...and making SWG a better place to be. Your voice counts!
Leeno
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:48 pm
#7

I'm not a commando now but I've wanted to be for a long time. Here arewhat should be3 super easy things to fix that would get me to pick it up. (I know this isn't the fix commando deserves but at this point it would make it acceptable for me)


1. AddAP1 to FT and AP3 to HAR.


2. Fix the accuracy on all limited use weps.


3. Make the HAR specials a stackable DOT with the FT specials. (limit of 1FTand 1HAR DOT at a time)


Ster
Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:17 pm
#8

This is truly ridiculous. We have waited for anything that was substantial and got nothing but cosmetic results. Is it really too much to ask for some type of acknowledgement of the problems with the profession. We arent asking for a miracle here, but with nothing even in the works within the next publishit is very disapointing. The community has gone through all of the stages. From the begining with contructive posting and great ideas, to rants and complaints about the sad state of the profession. Honestly, I am not sure what else to do. When rants and constructive posts are ignored alike, there really is not much else to say.




Ster Nemor... The last of the Mononokians
Master Commando
Master TKA
Pistoleer 0030
Wolfmann31
Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:20 pm
#9

We've been broken since beta, and been told to "wait for the combat balance" while they nerfed what little that really worked with commando...Wich was nerfed as a preparation for the comming combat balance!



I know those dedicated commandos among us are stubborn as mules, but..man..This is getting rediculous. I dunno..I feel for quitting..the profession and the game...My friends have quit, or most of them have..And none of the old commandos on wanderhome are around any more...I feel like a dinasaur.





RK-31
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altimit
Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:37 pm
#10
Pikemen are still out in the cold... all this combat rebalance bull has been just to keep us subscribed to the game.. to pull usalong.. im sick

Ster
Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:04 pm
#11
Oh and check out this guy's thread. Apparently we are just fine and should stop complaining about our proffession that does more damage than any other.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=commando&message.id=53121



Ster Nemor... The last of the Mononokians
Master Commando
Master TKA
Pistoleer 0030
Raptor2k1
Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:16 pm
#12
I wouldn't fret just yet... We still don't know exactly what these combat fixes entail. For all we know, a few shifts in the proffession could be considered fixes. Also bear in mind that this list of fixes can and will change at any moment, and that proffession balancing will occur over this period of time.

Anyways, pistoleers, among other proffessions are getting all of their specials fixed next patch (many fixes which would seem to practically be revamps, given that half of them are useless) so I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet.


Remember, JustG himself said that they took alot of risk in releasing this information since there would obviously be a great deal of reaction to it by everyone, with many jumping to conclusions based on a very hazy outline of future publishes he offered.


Besides, with the combat rebalance gone, maybe we can get some real answers for a change.

Message Edited by Raptor2k1 on 03-24-2004 09:17 PM



Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


maddogs
Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:16 pm
#13
ya im not saprized that they pushed it back nither am i mad that they did im actuly happy becous honesly from what litel bit iv seen of the combat balance it scars me


and yes every one needs tweaks and fixes but not to much there abel to kill more then 75% of the mobs in game solo (the others just shouldint be soloed but some times are)


theres only 3 profesions that need fixing asp



combat medic you ask why becous its ruining pvp one cm can take 30+ ppl in 2 tosses


riflemen you ask why becous it has a wepon that is overpoerd the jawa iron rifle needs toned done a bit (o ya and the new wepon for pistoler needs to have a max dam cp put on it some were around 250 )


commando why you ask becous they cant solo thos 75% of the mobs alike the othere profesions can




yes othere profesions need tweeking like pike men but thats simpel as doing what they should have done in the beging chang the blasted stats on there weps from the -54 on allranges to +10 on all ranges and they own in pvp well do decint in pvp



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