Commando Archive
Thread: No More Time...LordS We Need TH Here NOW!!! CRITICAL...TAKE A STAND!!!
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garvin
Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:46 am
#1
Ok...we've been more then patient while TH and everyone else work with other professions to improve them...but everyday more and more we are getting work on just how screwed we are...this is completely ridiculous and we need a response now...if you can't get one then there is no point to your postition I'm sorry to say...
This is what we know with the upcoming patch (being tested on TC):
- DoTs will no longer stack...in essence we can't stack our flame DoTs, but we can still use specials...Our one working weapon is being scaled way back on the damage is is capable of.
- FlameOut, created by Master Chef's (at least it is currently) will prevent 85% of our Flame Damage for the first 3 specials we connect (not counting specials we miss)...do they even remember we have a delay on specials? (I was just hoping for a DoT out once a minute at most...not this extreme)
- ATSTs will take less damage from our Specials...Why is this...aren't we meant to be the first line of defense against these beasts? Why are our specials being discounted against them?
And this is what's being proposed for the next patch:
- Fire Extingishers..being apparently pushed hard by TH according to his own words...
This is totally out of hand...this patch should be Dubbed the "Commando Killer" patch...They are taking our ONLY working weapon and removing is as a viable threat in both PvP and PvE...this is UNACCEPTABLE and we are still being kept in the dark.
LordS you need to take a stand immediately and represent us...Don't back down...Do Not accept them telling you it will be ok...GET PISSED OFF!!! and make sure you know that we all are...They MUST put all of these changesON HOLD until they give us something else to use that is viable...something that will allow us to win at least one battle on our own...
You need to act immediately...We have supported you, now you need to stand up for us and get some answers IMMEDIATELY!!!
The Dev's owe us a response as to why they HATE our profession...they'll probably deny that they do, but with all the love they are showing other professions (chef, droid engineers, smuggers, and more), the fact that they ALWAYS leave us out of the patch notes and the fact that they have repeatedly stealth nerf'd us (even though promising each time not to do it again) has more then proven this fact...
I'm sorry if I sound upset, but this is utter nonsense and total crap!!! We were oncea proud profession with many hopes...and each patch they seem to go out of their way to squash our dreams of how we see our profession. Last months patch had some good things...it gave me a bit of faith (the removal of the 2.5x Multiplier, Ranged Mitigation, etc) but now we are getting a NERF that will make us weaker then a Master Brawler...
We are a Hybrid Profession...we are one of the profession in game that costs the most Skill Points, second only to Bounty Hunters...We should be standing tall, but getting more fractured with each announcement the Dev's Make...More and more they are making it necessary to redesign our whole profession, but they have made no attempts to move in any direction for us...and the In Concept post is nonsense...We have a Top 5 thread started by TH awhile ago that has seen no attention from the Dev's, so why should we believe in the In Concept thread?
So LordS...this is what you were given your postion for...ACT NOW!!! Take a stand!!! Make our voice be heard...Don't Back Down!!! Don't accept that we will see something down the road...We DEMAND answers now...Get it Done!!! If we don't hear from a Dev soon I personally hold LordS responsible...That's his job!!!
fsarfino
Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:52 am
#2
Well I'm currently a master commando and was kinda waiting for this next patch to see if I should drop it to do the holo grind well it looks like I have a real good reason to drop it. Thanks SOE for killing myfavorite class now I'll have alot more skill points to use 
Gamble
Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:55 am
#3
Wow, looks like I might do the unthinkable and hang up my flame thrower to either holo grind or join the other stacked D template PvPers... Talk about your suckage.
TechnoHic
Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:57 am
#4
Calm down garvin. Where is the reasonable guy I once knew? yes I understand you are upset, but you know LodS cant do anything to make the DEVs come and talk to us. Many have tried and many have failed.
Ajo79
Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:58 am
#5
We can probably scream and shout as much as we want... to little use. 
I agree that we should be left alone until they (the devs) have upgraded and made the necessary adjustments so we don't have to rely on the Flame Thrower.
Yes, we should be among the very finest combat oriented professions. Our professions cost a lot of Skill points, but still our attacks are very weak besides the Burning attacks.
I mastered Commando two days ago and having hunted Rancors with my clanI can say this: Without Cannons (I used particle cannons until I run out of those)I was so outdamaged by the rest I could hunt womp rats on tatooine for better XP.
We need to get better and more powerul attacks, NOT NERFS!!!
So Devs, please, leave us alone until you have a clear fix for our profession!
garvin
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:04 am
#6
Here is a collection of recent posted information on upcoming changes:
Flameout (chef made item):
- Quantity: 1
- Filling: 101
- Reduces damage taken from attacks. 85% Damage reduction for 3 attacks.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chef&message.id=20926
FROM TC PATCH NOTES:
• DoT stacking has been changed so that each player attacking a target can only have one fire dot, one health bleed, one action bleed and one mind bleed.
• DoT resist changes will make AT-STs more resistant to DoT damage. Dot resistances have been added giving the AT-ST extra protection against flamethrowers and other fire DoT based attacks.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=TestCenter&message.id=55527
AND TH's Own Words:
One of the "little things" I was able to get pushed to the top was Fire Extingishers. Due to some technical issues, vehicle repair kits (for ATSTs) arent such an easy item to stick in the game. Still, fire dots are a killer and we cant wait - - especially on Tatooine. Anyway one of the things that I saw on the boards and also heard one of the designers propose was Fire Extinguisers. Its a great little craftable that makes for fun combat. Between the DoT resists that are going in with this publish and fire extinguisers in the next, I think we'll have a good interim balance.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=GCW&message.id=92531
tacwraith
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:06 am
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LordS cant do anything garvin, neither can any correspondent. the whole thing has been a joke since day1. Just look at TH asking people in the concept forum.. thats a literal sidestepping of the correspondent's duties, and to top it off, he is asking things which have been discussed a zillion times over in the forums of each proffession.
in short, soe pays no attention to the correspondents and does not read the player feedback/discussions on the board.
kudos to garva and the other forum moderators though, they do lock down and delete threads with truly impressive speed. they should hire them as player correspondents, i bet they have more knowledge of the player feedback than soe/TH.
For me, I give up. I was very sad to drop master commando to hologrind, but now I see it was not so bad. I got a head start on what every non-dabbler commando will end up doing.
Oh oh and did you see? they are removing range restrictions on the acid beam rifle. I wish I knew just w t f that meant!
did they fix the mods on the har? hooray, we can now use something thats just as useless as the post-nerf patch flamer!
did they fix the BEAM RIFLE certification? Hurray. uh.. what?
did they make the HAR accuracy mods be much better at the longer ranges? Urrah! We would finally be able to have a ranged weapon, which with the flamer being so fugged up we will now abuse and abuse by using OC2 on that 800 max damage weapon .. it will be like a prenerf T21. Nah, cant be.
garvin
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:12 am
#8
Calm down garvin. Where is the reasonable guy I once knew? yes I understand you are upset, but you know LodS cant do anything to make the DEVs come and talk to us. Many have tried and many have failed.
I am typically very calm and laid back...but this has become unacceptable..It makes no sense that the Dev's could propose so many drastic changes that effect our profession more then any other without even talking to us once...I personally (as I know other's have) have been sending TH personal invites just to give us some word...if he even made a post that told us when we could expect some answers down the road I'd be ok...but still we have silence...
When they shut down the SWG discussion page, the Dev's told us to return to our forums and post our issues there...they stated that by shutting down that forum they would be able to monitor the other forums more frequently and promised our issues more attention...But look at the Dev Tracker...how many posts have they made in different Galaxy forums...how many different profession posts? I know that TH has been having trouble showing up in the Dev Tracker, but if you look at his most recent posts he's not doing any better...It's been over a week since they made that promise and where are we now?
I'm tired of seeing the Dev's post over in the DE forum...I'm tired of going to other Profession forums and see posts from their Correspondents that actually contain Dev responses...we are owed the same response...The time for being relaxed and laid back is gone...it's now getting just too out of hand...
We need a bone thrown to us in some form...Obviously our sitting back and waiting approach is failing miserably...so why should we keep doing it?
garvin
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:15 am
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LordS cant do anything garvin, neither can any correspondent. the whole thing has been a joke since day1. Just look at TH asking people in the concept forum.. thats a literal sidestepping of the correspondent's duties, and to top it off, he is asking things which have been discussed a zillion times over in the forums of each proffession.
Then why can you go to many Profession forums and see their correspondents posting actual responses from the Devs? I've seen them popping up more and more...and still we are in the dark...
I'm not saying the LordS is not doing a good job...what I'm saying is that his main responsibility is to represent us and we need that representation now more then ever...He needs to demand a response since we can't do it on our own...
Kyra_Jien
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:15 am
#10
They put in this fire extinguisher crap I am outta here. With composite suits with 80% + heat resists and now 85% dot reduction we are gonna be worthless in PVP. As it is now the flamethrower specials are slow any other class can hit me 5 times beforeI do a special and with everyone with 250+ stacked defense mods I'm lucky to hit anything once. Now I have to hit them 4 times just to really burn them? Pshhhhh Commando will be the most worthless combat PVP class in the game.
Alyrit
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:44 am
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Well, there goes my hopes for obtaining Master Commando. I'm for sure going to drop all my commando skills. This freakin' sucks bad.
My question regarding dropping my commando skills is this:
Will I still retain my heavy weapons xp so that I can get the bounty hunter skills that require it?
My question regarding dropping my commando skills is this:
Will I still retain my heavy weapons xp so that I can get the bounty hunter skills that require it?
tacwraith
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:52 am
#12
yes. however, if you are going to drop commando, drop it all at once.
you only keep 2 times the max amount of xp of the highest tree you have. aka, if you have box4 of whatever heavy weapon xp, you can 'save' up to 900k heavy weapons xp.
BUT if you drop that box4 to a box3 (and you have no other box4's) and you have that 900k xp saved up AND you fire ONE shot with ANY heavy weapons (LP included), the game will make you lose xp because your cap is now lower.
so yes, if you drop ALL commando skills, even novice, and later one, a month later, stupidly fire a launcher pistol, you will lose the 900k heavy weapons xp.
so drop all commando at once, throw away or lock your heavy weapons in your house, get novice BH and train the LLC with your 900k heavy weapons xp. do NOT fire LLC before you do train because the LLC IS a heavy weapon too.
Kachada
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:53 am
#13
Tell the Dev's to watch the Metrics, because at least one Master Commando will end up joining the throngs of defense stackers and pistoleers as soon as this patch hits.
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