Commando Archive

Ok. I am officially sick of the OMG commando’s are sooo powerful posts.

So here are hard core in game logs. I was personally shot by all ranged combatant masters with the exception of the LLC master, the BH carbine master, and a Master Rifleman.

In testing. I was unarmored and weaponless and at point blank, unless otherwise noted.

Also, both I and shooter were immobile.

First up. Me getting shot by a Master Smuggler

[Spatial] 13:58:41 Heami Tinox says, "Last Ditch with 81-166 1.6 pistol"
[Combat] 13:58:58 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 356 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:03 Heami Tinox's Last Ditch Attack misses you.
[Combat] 13:59:07 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 347 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:07 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:12 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 266 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:12 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:16 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 213 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:20 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 359 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:21 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:25 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 353 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:25 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:29 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 357 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:29 You have been incapacitated by Heami Tinox.

So. A master smuggler did 2251 dmg in 31 seconds with one miss. Shooting every 4 seconds using last ditch.

Next up. Master Carbinier

[Combat] 14:16:39 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 364 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:42 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 132 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:46 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 14:16:46 Syamnad Syamnad uses Charge Shot on you for 93 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:49 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:16:50 You stand up.
[Combat] 14:16:50 You're stunned!
[Combat] 14:16:50 Syamnad Syamnad uses Wide Wild Shot on you for 92 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You start to bleed!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You have been forced to kneeling.
[Combat] 14:16:54 Syamnad Syamnad uses Debilitating Shot on you for 228 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You kneel.
[Combat] 14:16:56 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:16:59 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 42 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:17:01 You stand up.
[Combat] 14:17:01 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 407 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:04 Syamnad Syamnad uses Charge Shot on you for 91 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:07 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 68 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:17:09 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 403 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:09 You have been incapacitated by Syamnad Syamnad.
[Spatial] 14:18:15 You reply to Syamnad, 'What was stat on your gun anyways?'.
[Combat] 14:18:31 Syamnad tells you, '311 max dmg and 3.5 spd'.

So a Master Carbinier did 1964 dmg in 30 seconds with 1 miss. Specials varied from 1 to 4 seconds.

Master Pistoleer

[Combat] 15:10:40 Irzuro Skolopi accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 15:10:43 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 579 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:44 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 519 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:45 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 445 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:45 You have been incapacitated by Irzuro Skolopi.

So, a Master Pistoleer did 1543 in, ahem, three seconds with zero misses. 1 second between specials.

Master Bounty Hunter pistol tree
[Combat] 15:12:04 Irzuro Skolopi accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 15:12:05 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 285 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:05 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 15:12:06 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 322 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:06 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 235 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:07 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 15:12:07 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 341 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:07 You have been incapacitated by Irzuro Skolopi.

So, a Bounty Hunter pistol treed does – 1183 in, ahem, three seconds with zero misses. 1 second between specials


Master Commando - flamethrower
[Combat] 14:40:17 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:20 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:23 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:26 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 370 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:29 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 303 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:32 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 298 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:35 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:38 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 361 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:41 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 400 points of damage.
[Spatial] 14:40:41 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 14:40:55 You reply to Syamnad, 'Thanks. What was stat on your flame?'
[Spatial] 14:18:15 Talnic Mar'Koth tells you, '561-1112 5.6 speed'

So, a Master Commando without his special, 1732 in 24 seconds with FOUR misses. 3 seconds a shot.

Master Commando - flamesingle2
[Combat] 15:14:50 talnic mar'koth uses a flamethrower to spray concentrated fire on you for 1284 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:14:50 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with the flamethrower special can do 1284 in one second. 8 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - proton grenade
[Combat] 15:18:00 talnic mar'koth uses a proton grenade on you for 686 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:18:11 talnic mar'koth uses a proton grenade on you for 457 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:18:11 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 15:19:20 Talnic tells you, 'that was 1503 3115 5.6 protons'.

So, a Master Commando with proton grenades can do 1143 in 11 seconds. 11 seconds between tosses.

Master Commando - 25m - Acid Beam Cannon
[Combat] 15:20:25 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:29 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:32 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 903 points of damage, but you counterattack!
[Combat] 15:20:44 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 668 points of damage, but you counterattack!
[Combat] 15:20:48 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 671 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:20:51 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 471 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:20:54 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:58 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:21:08 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:21:11 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 580 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:21:11 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 15:21:40 Talnic tells you, '1036-3079 5,2'.
[Spatial] 15:21:53 Talnic tells you, 'acid stream'.

So, a Master Commando with an acid stream launcher can do 1722 in 46 seconds with 5 misses. 4 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - rocket launcher
[Combat] 15:23:49 Talnic tells you, '1241-3745 5.8'.
[Combat] 15:23:58 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses you.
[Combat] 15:24:01 talnic mar'koth uses a rocket launcher on you for 1088 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:24:01 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a rocket launcher can do 1088 in 3 seconds with one miss. 3 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - hpbc
[Spatial] 15:25:27 Talnic tells you, 'heavy partical beam cannon 2486 4048 5.1'.
[Combat] 15:26:12 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses you.
[Combat] 15:26:14 talnic mar'koth uses a particle beam on you for 1102 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:26:14 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a hpbc can do 1102 in 2 seconds with one miss. 2 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - lightning cannon
[Combat] 15:29:44 talnic mar'koth's lightning beam misses you.
[Combat] 15:29:49 talnic mar'koth uses a lightning beam on you for 594 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:29:54 talnic mar'koth uses a lightning beam on you for 1012 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:29:54 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a lightning cannon can do 1606 in 10 seconds with one miss. 5 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - thermal detonator
[Combat] 15:30:30 talnic mar'koth's thermal detonator misses you.
[Combat] 15:30:39 talnic mar'koth's thermal detonator misses you.
[Combat] 15:30:48 talnic mar'koth uses a thermal detonator on you for 895 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:30:48 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So a Master Commando with a thermal detonator can do 895 in 18 seconds with 2 misses. 9 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - randomness
[Combat] 15:31:39 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:31:42 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:08 talnic mar'koth carefully aims at Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:10 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:20 Killum lays prone.
[Combat] 15:32:27 talnic mar'koth carefully aims at Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:29 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:44 Killum kneels.
[Combat] 15:32:51 talnic mar'koth uses a particle beam on Killum for 1485 points of damage!

So a master commando can waste 6 shots to hit someone once for 1485.

once again ivoni takes the time and care to get the hard facts on what all of us commandos know, but cant get the rest of the galaxy to explain.

someone should PM this to thunderheart and our hard working correspondant should fwd it as well.

ivoni you continue to amaze me with your dedication.

/tiphat

Well. Hmph. That settles that. Bravo.

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, ivoni:

I tried the same thing on the commando forum. Series of 25 shots from a Flamethrower, a DLT20a and an Acid Rile. I posted the complete log (had to seperate it into 3 posts) in the rifleman forum and all i got was: "You made up all of this just to get your point across!"

Although i really appreciate the effort put into it, i fear it is useless. You will simply be faced with total ignorance.

Dogg

Some sad numbers...

The Master Pistoleer you tested against was the same guy as the Master BH (Pistol line). That's why he was able to use Stopping Shot once a second. He had pistol speed mods of over 100...so every pistol special he uses will fire in one second (the weapon speed formula is stupid and basically shorts out once you get speed bonus of 100).

Stopping Shot is usually a slow shot unless you get +100 or more pistol speed. So that test at least is in part explained by the fact that BHs are (rightly IMO) uber-PvPers. They spend too many skill points not to be pretty good.

The problem is that WE spend too many points not to be pretty good too, and we're just not.

Yeah. The guy was both a master pistoleer and had mastered the BH pistol line.

How much slower would it be really?

Sigh. Guess I'll have to find "just" a master pistoleer.

yah, this is pathetic. The BH, we can all understand being uber. i mean, they do take even more points then we do, so they should be pretty good. The pistoleer is still too powerful, even if u lengthen the time between specials for a pistoleer only AND throw a few misses in, itd still be under 10 seconds easy. They are an elite class, shouldn't maul us so easily. But that aside, great work Ivoni, u have once again gone above and beyond the call of duty! we should give her a medal....hehehehe

Ivoni,

You should also try it with the marksman specials like OverchargeShot2 that we can now use with our flamers and HARs. I suspect that will put a dent in someone. Also Flamesingle 1 or 2 seems to be pretty much a one hit kill as do several other of our weapons, which makes the dps numbers off unless you run several tests and average them.

Yeah, makes it plain why I have yet to begin PvPing much. Personally I would like to see the melee classes in here too. Would do it myself, but I don't know any atm since I am fairly new on my server. I'm guessing it would look like:

TKM uses knockdown2 on you for 300 damage!

TKM uses unarmedhit3 on you for 1500 damage!

You have been incapacitated by TKM!

(numbers conjecture)

So a TKM can do 1800 damage in 3 seconds with 0 misses.

Of course if you had FT equipped:

TKM uses unarmedhit3 on you for 3000 damage!

You have been incapacitated by TKM!

Assuming he had a 1.5 speedFWG5and was JUST Master Pistoleer, but no BH, Stopping Shot would take:

4.0 (the Stopping Shot delay mod)x 1.5 (weapon speed) x ((100 - 74 (pistol speed skill))/100)

or

1.43 seconds per special, so still really really fast for all that damage. Though his best shot on a dps basisin that case thoughwould be Fan Shot, not Stopping Shot (because Fan Shot is faster and still could be fired once/second).

The thing with BH/Pistoleers is that the weapon could have a speed of 2000 seconds, with speed mods at or over 100, they'd still get a special off every second.

Way to go Ivoni.. no sooner do I post than you get in something relevant. Always a pleasure.

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Ivoni wrote:

Master Pistoleer

[Combat] 15:10:40 Irzuro Skolopi accepts your challenge.

[Combat] 15:10:43 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 579 points of damage!

[Combat] 15:10:44 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 519 points of damage!

[Combat] 15:10:45 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 445 points of damage!

[Combat] 15:10:45 You have been incapacitated by Irzuro Skolopi.

So, a Master Pistoleer did 1543 in, ahem, three seconds with zero misses. 1 second between specials.

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Just to be clear, if this guy were "just" a Master Pistoleer and not a BH, he'd have used Fan Shot rather than Stopping Shot. Assuming his weapon was 1.5 speed, his damage would have been (using the info in pistoleer specials found on the Pistoleer FAQs thread) 492, 441 and 378 in THREE SECONDS.

Even without BH, a guy spending 92 skill points can incap us that fast. It takes me longer than that to fire my FT once, especially if I'm using a special like Overcharge Shot or (heaven forbid) /aim.

If you think spending 169 skill points would double your effectiveness, you might not be a Commando.

first of all the whole pvp is screwed up it should be the player that used more skill point to get to master his prof. i'm sick of poeple screeming nerf blah blah blah it's annoying, i am i commando i used my flame shot and only did like 800da when my flamer thrower max dam is well ove 1k in dam. well i shot a guy when he was already damaged and incaped him out now where a tsk hit me 3 or 4 tme in like 4seconds doing over 4k dam. on me now whats with that plus i have like super armor with over at least 70% protection on almost every partof my body now that was bull plus they knock you down where you can't even get up and they ar make all the strong weapons we got mellee specials thats bull. they just need to make pvp rigth or just take everything but pvp off