Combat Medic Archive
Thread: My theory on why 75% Reduction is fair.
Have you ever been shot in the head by a gun with a 90% comp helm on?
How much damage did you take?
50? 100?
Have you ever been hit in the head with a 660 damage single poison, and then 3 seconds later a 490 damage AOE poison? From 76m?
How much damage did you take?
1000 in seconds? EVERY few seconds?
Did you EVER block it?
As a combat medic, I can safely say, if they are not a doc, or do not have a doc on their team, and are not a CM themselves, I will -probably- win the fight. If they are a CM, they -might- win depending on food/buff/spice/drink, and who lands what poisons first. If they are a doc, and have Janta Heals, then they can heal my double stacked poison no problem.
If they are a CM, with enough doctor to heal poison, and enough Rifleman to headshot me, theyre nigh unstoppable.
Right now, I can think of a million things unfair about our class....
A) We can hit from 76m.
B) Disease/Poison incaps, and only doctors can stop that.
C) We never miss.
D) We can hit your entire group in one shot.
If none of these were changed, and the class was left as it is, then a 75% reduction would even us out.
THIS WOULD MEAN that after applying 2 poisons, which takes me less than 5 seconds, you would ONLY be taking a mere 250-300 damage every so many seconds. Oh boo hoo, how ever will I survive. -lol-
Considering all other classes have the ability to be blocked Via Armor, or Dodge, or Counterattack, or Melee/Ranged defense, and yet we are 100% guaranteed to hit every single time with a DoT attack doing more than most attacks, Id think we need some sort of balance. Not to mention we can do this from ungodly range depending on our SEAs or Poisons. (SOmeone on our server used to chuck them at 103m)
So explain to me how admitting I can beat any Commando, any BH, any melee class from range, any carbineer, any pistoleer, and usually riflemen and saying our class is a bit too strong is a cry for nerf? LoL. Im actually dropping CM, to take a radical change and go Pikemen, because Im sick of hearing people complain about me and other CM's, mostly because theyre right. All the reasons I listed ^ above, and the fact we more than likely wont see a 75% damage reduction, is enough for me to say this class just isnt fun anymore. I would rather play a Pikemen and live through the struggle of HARD PvP than continue being a CM. 
But as the title of the post says, I believe 75% reduction would be fair if everything stayed the same as it is now. If they fix all the problems, then the class might be a bit even.
A) If I can fire in 64m, then I can try and hit you to prevent the use of poison on me before Im within range. Plus, I can chase you and you cant constantly keep out of my range. Unless, of course, you run out of LOS.
B) If they change the way we apply poison so theres ACTUALLY SOME SORT OF RESISTANCE lol since I have not missed once with a 100 Potency Poison, ever.
C) They have to stop the incap immediately. If Im running away, and Im a good 90m ahead of you, incapping due to Poison/Disease pisses me off to no end.
Fix those, and then the damage isnt an issue. Until you do, we're just getting double bonus from the ignoring of the 75% reduction.
Dont get me wrong, CM is a great class. I enjoy killing certain people ruthlessly and would have it no other way. But overall, when a rival CM is using it back on us, I see it in play and just think about the grief Im causing others. I guess thats why Im going Pike. /shrug
I'll never get another hate tell again! 
Here we go again,
I for one am glad to see you leave the class, and to think you wanted to be correspondent.
Enjoy being a pikeman, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
If youre going to flame, try to be clever, and think up excuses for the 4 sins of CM that I posted... those being:
A) We can hit from 76m.
B) Disease/Poison incaps, and only doctors can stop that.
C) We never miss.
D) We can hit your entire group in one shot.
If you can give me reasons why we should be allowed to do that, or reasons why those are "ok" then I will say we dont need to do less damage.
Thanks for calling me names.
I did take the time to read your rather lengthy post. I read where you were bragging about being able to get off two poisons in less than 5 seconds. Yeah and you know that is correct. I noticed that you omitted the fact that it will take 10 seconds before that first poison kicks in and 15 seconds before the second one kicks in I guess you felt the need to omit that though.
So let's see, there are pistoleers that can hit for 100-200 damage almost every second. So in the time it takes me to hit them for this 1000 points, they can hit me for well over that amount. I am not as sure about rifleman, but even if they can only shoot once every 2 seconds they can still do over 600 points of damage to my mind before both of the poisons tick the first time.
Oh and they can incapacitate me. My poisons are not going to incapacitate him, so I either have to drop that last point, or I have to get a disease off on him. Which I might add won't tick for 40 seconds so I am well dead by then. Alas you skip that in your post.
Then of course to make the kind of poison that you are talking about, I have to go collect all the best resources in the game. Rifleman don't have to do that. To get all the reesources that I need to make a poison with that effect it might take me months. When is the last time it took a rifleman a month to buy a weapon?
Again, I have to say go somewhere else with your cries of nerf. I think we are pretty good right now, well except the range thing, which is getting a fix anyway.
daymeeuhn wrote:
If youre going to flame, try to be clever, and think up excuses for the 4 sins of CM that I posted... those being:
A) We can hit from 76m.
No argument for this, we should not be able to do it and the devs have said so, this will be fixed and this one will no longer be a problem.
B) Disease/Poison incaps, and only doctors can stop that.
Yep and bleed and damage can icap and only medics can stop that. If it is mind damage being dealt then only Combat Medics can heal that. There are checks and balances everywhere in the game. The problem is not combat medics, the problem is the unhealable mind pool, why not be as vocal about that?
C) We never miss.
I am not sure where you are, but my poisons are resisted all the time. If I want to make them less resistable, then I sacrifice damage. Perhaps resists need to be jacked up. I would even say raise to perhaps lower the resist on Area poisons if you want to. The fact is unless you have collected all the best resources, you do get resisted. So this is simply an untrue statement.
D) We can hit your entire group in one shot.
Yep, we can do this if they are that close together. Sorry but that is what we are all about. We are the ones that are used to break the zerg attack. Someone needs to be able to break up the mass attack and combat medics are that force.
If you can give me reasons why we should be allowed to do that, or reasons why those are "ok" then I will say we dont need to do less damage.
I gave you my reasons, I doubt they are good enough for you though since you seem to reject anyone's explanation that does not agree with you.
A) You must have HORRIBLE Armor for a Pistoleer to be doing that much damage to you. lol.
B) Pistoleers also hit random pools. I do not. I do 1000 damage, unblockable, to you, bam. In the faaace.
C) To keep shooting you they NEED TO STAY IN LOS. I DONT. I cant stress that enough.
D) After you drop 2 poisons you SWITCH TO A RIFLE AND SHOOT THEM. lol. So theyre taking MORE Mind damage before the poisons even go off, further sealing the casket.
And youre actually going to say getting these poisons is hard? Im sorry... your server must be completely void of all merchants. lol. If you dont want to make your own, go find one selling em. Riflemen go buy rifles, just as most CM go buy poisons.
These arguments you present sound to me like someone wearing clothes, with no armor, who has CM, novice scout with exploration line, maybe a novice in a combat class with a few boxes and probably some doctor.
If that be the case, well... Im sorry.
But unfortunately us who PvP with the best of the best know when something is up. Considering most PvPers now are Riflemen and/or CM's, you know when classes are overpowered. If there was a split up mix of all classes, Id say we were even. But, we arent.
DONT COMPLAIN IF YOURE A CRAPPY COMBAT MEDIC.
Maybe that should be my new spin on things? Ok yeah lets try this...
IF YOU ARE NOT OWNING IN PVP LIKE A CHAMP, YOU PROBABLY ARENT THAT GOOD OF A CM.
Oh im sorry, am I being too violent?
Maybe Im just sick of rookie CM's throwing around insane knowledge over something because they cant kill anyone.
Well, I can. And those who kill me, are usually riflemen/CM's too. We're killing everyone, so why arent you? Whats wrong bro? Dont have the mechanics down? Lag killin you, perhaps? Maybe its the armor. Im really startin to think its the armor....
Ooh I didnt see your response there to my 4 CM Sins... anyhow
A) Agreed.
B) Most other DoT's dont hit mind. Those that do, hurt yes... but, usually dont do NEARLY as much damage.
C) Like I said in my previous post, dont complain because your poisons suck. Everyone I know is using 100+ potency poisons, literally... everyone lol. We all be hittin' with no probs!
D) Close together? LoL so 30m is like... a small distance? Hrmmm and here all this time I thought I should probably be at least 30m with my group! lol.
Master Doctor, Master Combat Medic and Expert in Pistols (in the marksman tree). All points used up but two or three or something I am not sure right now, but there is not enough to get anymore skills.
lol I was so close.
Yeah, you know it really sucks to be me. I guess I just have no hope of being as good as you are. Heck you're so good maybe you should just drop all your combat skills then, since it is so unfair that you are so good and cannot be beaten.
Pikeman will be good for you, since you are so uber. Wow I can see it already, when you become a pikeman, the pikeman will be high on the nerf list since you are such a good player. Maybe we should just nerf you as a player.
The problem here IS NOT any one profession, the problem with SWG is the combat system as a whole. Any time you have a way to kill someone and that way cannot be countered then that always becomes the most valuable attack in the game.
I personally feel that mind damage should NEVER incap. That is the problem with this game, not combat medic poisons or diseases, commando DOTs or even a rifleman's hittting mind damage.
Oh and you that are so smart, pistoleers can target a specific HAM pool, they target health. It is not as powerful of an attack as a rifleman's mind attack because health can be buffed and healed, but to say they only attack random pools is another false statement.
Smart pistoleers attack random pools, because they know it does alot more damage.
"Yeah, you know it really sucks to be me. I guess I just have no hope of being as good as you are. Heck you're so good maybe you should just drop all your combat skills then, since it is so unfair that you are so good and cannot be beaten"
If youre a Master Doctor, then sorry bucko. But no, unless you drop that youll never be as viable in PvP as ANY Rifleman/CM. You complain about dying etc, well... the proof is right there. Doctor offers zeeero defensive/offensive capabilities.
As for the "unfair that you are so good and cannot be beaten," that is EXACTLY why I am dropping CM to go Pikeman. I do not like being a CM the way it is now. I still am for the sake of my guild fighting guildwar, but soon I will drop it. If they fix it a bit, I'll probably go back.
But yeah, thanks for the compliments.
The thing is that I am not complaining about dieing. Where did you get that information from? I am quite effective in PvP,I just do it differently. I am also effective in PvE since I am not the kind of person that PvPs only. I play the game to get the fulfillment out of the game, not to see how many other players I can kill.
The game was built for people like me, NOT people like you. I use what resources I get, if I get some good ones, then I save those for PvP only. I don't go sit in the Cantina and disease people for money, I don't sit in the cantina for Experience. I got all my experience the way the developers wanted people to get experience, fighting mobs and other players.
Of course there are always going to be the powergamers like you who have to be the best, and have the best, and you know you are the aberration, but you cannot base the game on people like you, as that gimps the game for people like me.
I can hold my own in PvP, I lose some, I win some. That is the way of it. I don't see the need to nerf because a few of you ultra powergamer types can beat everyone else. Eventually you will get bored and leave since there will be no challenge for you and the game will still be there for the rest of us who are trying to enjoy it.
You can continue playing the game in your little euphoria all youd like.
Fact of the matter is, PvPers like ME shape the GCW, and even though you may too, if youre not out PvPing all the time and killing others constantly then Id tend to think I do alot more in the GCW than you.
So.... In a way, the game was made for the both of us.
Not to mention I have NO problems in PvE either, so I dont see why youd think Id PvP only. I kill Giant Dune Kimos all day long....
Playing the game to see how many others I can kill is just as much a reason to play the game as yours. To think you hold some sort of superiority over others because you dont PvP as much as they do is pretty lame.
And I dont disease people for money, I disease people to help them out.