Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Non-LOS attack is a feature of CM. Elanore is sabotaging our class.
Heres some random food for thought from a Master CM:
The devs, seeing that area heals and ranged heals definately don't justify the massive skillpoint requirements for CMs,know that even if you poison someone with your 20-40 range pack they can still run and kill youbefore they dieif they have spent half the skillpoints you have on a weapon class.
Each class has ranged knockdowns at approximately 1/2 the skillpoints we spend for master CM. Get knocked down 3 times and see how long it takes you to use meds again. You will never find out because you will be long dead by whenever they kick back in.
If you are in a fight and you use the most powerful and longest ranged possible poison in LOS (against an opponent with 3 choice skillboxes in any weapon profession), you can pretty much count yourself dead unless you burst run away and they don't burst run after you.
Hey everyone, lets all head over to different boards, pretend we are their class, and talk about how overpowered we are and ask the devs to nerf us.
The origin of the CM nerf idea: Some guy got diseased once and couldn't find amedic for 10 minutes and decided CMs were overpowered griefers and that he should spread the word.
(From a psuedo-realistic viewpoint we are releasing a poison/disease cloud which could definately go through windows and doors in a building)
Compared to other combat classes the amount of moneywe spend for ourability toinflict damageis ridiculous. To nerf what little ability we have and make it cost as muchbasically makesus a waste of skillpoints compared to a huge number of othercharacter templates. The money difference is not even comparable really it is so great.
At least the future generations will know not to go CM if they nerf any aspect of us - for those of us down the trail or finished who accidentally picked Combat Medic because it started with the word Combat, it will be a long grind to another profession.
Some people believe that the DOTs are the primary aspect of Combat Medic. Not a ranged heal which just lags you, makes you stop, and could be better accomplished by simply running within 7 meters of the target. Area heal is nice - but if that is the best thing we get it is definately not worth it.
You can take all the points we spent for combat medic and make a character faster, cheaper, less maintenence, more fun to play, and 3 times better then a Master Combat Medic.
We had to master the entire medic skill, dump a ton of combat experience which is the hardest to get into ranged support, then master the Elite Combat Medic skill - and people say we should be equal to just 1 elite profession???? There is no comparison again!
Poison is resisted ALOT. Having poison Cs withgreat success and agood/full experimentation spread made by a Master CM - it is not unusual for a target to resist 3-5 times which is approximately four times longer then it takes someone who spent 100 skillpoints wisely to kill you.
Whats the least points you can spend to make a character who owns a combat medic 50% of the time? Draw a straight line to pistolwhip.
A CM will not win 1 on 1 against weapons classes using half the skill points. Thus our only advantage is in AOE in large battles - okay?
In Conclusion:
Let them fix themillion other problems in the game- don't break us first and then try to rework everyone else to lower them to our nerfed-level.
Oh, and Elanore is your worst enemy if you like the combat medic. Don't let him/her get you believing his ideas about what a CM is. They are a pure fabrication in his mind and not reflective of the Devs idea of what the class is supposed to be. If you are new to the boards you might see his name a lotbecause he likes to act like he is the representative of CMs, but if you look at the ratings most people on this board DONT like what he has to say. He is also a doctor and likes to include his doctor bonuses into his summation of why a CM should be nerfed. Thats like saying a Combat Medic should be nerfed because I also have headshot3 and it is too overpowered.
I do not consider it as a real bug.
Nevertheless, it remains the only thing that needs to be nerfed in the short term.
Cmon man, stop blaming people for trying to find an in-between solution on this matter. Anyway, the devs will do something about CM, let's try to make it good enough to keep our class attractive.
Quote: (From a psuedo-realistic viewpoint we are releasing a poison/disease cloud which could definately go through windows and doors in a building)
You're joking right? releasing a gas through a wall... ya i could see how that would work if you standing in a building and you cracked open your vial of nerve gas.. very slowly it would leak outside... but it would certainly kill you before it killed anything outside. how does it instanly get to the other side of the wall and not affectANYONE inside the buidling? in order for the gas to work as it does in this game you would have to throw the vial through a wall.. its impossible... and if you dont believe me... i want you to take a stinkbomb and try to throw it through a wall and lemme know what happens.. stinks doesn't it? and i know the guy above that said it could go through windows and doors... i have yet to see a single window, and doors? the door would have to be OPEN leaving you withsomething similar to aLINE OF SIGHT. and as for walls .. just a wall .. of course you could throw it over.. i understand that.. but when you are standing in a cantina with NO WINDOWS, CLOSED DOORS,and of courseA ROOF and throwing DEADLY poison to anyone in range.. ask yourself how? maybe a gas mask? then why can't i have one too? they aren't that hard to get a hold of.. imean,what the hell is wrong you people? i know what it is.. you are a combat medic and you love sitting in the cantina watchign people choke to death while you sit in the deepest part of the building.
and all this wouldn't bother me so much if the damage wasn't so ridiculous... someone said theres no way a CM could take a ranged class 1vs1 with half the skill points... you are such a horrible liar... not only can the weaker versions of disease kill you faster than a knockdown spammer... but CM's are knockdwon spammers themselves.. dont try to act like you dont own a gun. and you act like you spent SOOO many points to get master CM... its the same as a commando... so go talk to a commando and ask him how he feels about how much skill points he spent to get such a weak profession. i bet commandos wish they could throw a thermal detonator through a wall... or how bout a bounty hunter? ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY NINE POINTS to master bounty hunter... and yet a combat medic can still master a weapon profession making him as effective as a bounty hunter with just his weapon... add in a couple of phase shifting nerve gas bombs... and the ability to completely heala playersaction and health in ONE STIM.. suddenly combat medics dont sound so bad, do they?
and this reminds me of all the other problems with the 'rules' of pvp.. combine them all and you get nothing but a bunch of cowardly exploiters...
when i was talking to a combat medic today about the no line of sight thing they said "they settled on it in beta 2, it was that or nothing"sounds good to me. thats what i choose... NOTHING. i'm never playing this retarded game again. It is bugged beyond all compare... I dont know if its even fit for a beta version yet. Maybe you should hire some developers who can handle a game of this magnitude. as it is. it is worthless.. it really is a roleplaying game because thats all you can do.If you ask me.. they should just remove ALL combat whatsoever and everyone can sit in a cantina and chat.. cause thats all this game is good for.. you can't win.. you can't lose... whats the point?
SWeaTiNGBuLLeTZ: Comparing us to a broken profession if plain stupid!
SWeaTiNGBuLLeTZ wrote:
its the same as a commando... so go talk to a commando and ask him how he feels about how much skill points he spent to get such a weak profession.
As for Elenora, i kinda agree, look at it this way - If you put a monkey in front of a typewriter and had it type for an infinite amount of time, there is a chance, however small, that it might purely by coincidence type out the complete works of Shakepseare. With 50+ posts every day i gotta admit Elenore gets a few good points across, however for the most part its just not-to-well-thought-out-post-farming.
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Sweating. One of the major issues with CM is that we need to spend alot of skill points on unrealated support skills, like surveying or exploration. Sure, one could argue that we could purchase resources on the bazaar, but when was the last time you saw fungi on the bazaar? Most miners would perfer to sell metals because there is a far higher demand for it.
Same with exploration. While some would argue that we don't need it, I consider it highly essential. Not all of us like to PvP around cities.
Also Sweating,the charactersneedto be Master Medics and get Range Support IV just to become a novice CM. How many skill points will you have if become a Master CM (the level that you need to be to use effective C-level poisons).
Personally, I consider weapon skills essential to a CM. While I know that there are people who would disagree,I feel that a CM without any weapon skills (other than basic range support, of course) is just plain wrong.
BTW, I have to agree with Arkon and StimAddict on Elenora. He (or she, if you go by her female avatar) occassionally comes across as a wise sage, most of the timeher postsseems to be incoherent. I guess lack of sleep will do that to a person (I know that it does that to me). =P
First of all if you have ever read my posts which u obviously havent...
I say 2 things...if u keep mindpoison as high as it is now, LOS is needed...
the other is if u keep LOS, mind poison needs to be toned down...
right not doing 320 with a AOE and 500 with a single target using non-LOS and a fire and forget it weapon is just too unbalancing...
personally if u guys wanna keep the overpowered mind poisons...fine keep them until the devs take them and everything else in the class away...or we can provide the devs with a solution at is less drastic...
do u think SOE cares how much time and money goes into a CM when everyone in the game is screaming CM mind poison is overpowered?! Trust me they wont!
So u cant think about it as me sabotaging the class...or u can think of it as trying to fix the game so that we attain a working balance between other classes and keep class diversity...
I assume u that the devs know about our mind damage by now...
Honestly do u want to always be the most powerfulclass in game?! If u do wanna keep it like this have fun finding any class outside of CH,BH and CM...
I don't know where these people say Combat Medic is the "Most Powerful Class" PLEASE!
Can a Combat Medic Solo adv monster spawns? Can a Combat Medic Knockdown groups of Reb's or Imps? Please. I'm not a Master Combat Medic. I am just about halfway up the tree and I require a Team to get anything big done! While yes when it comes to solo PVPing I kick the butt of most dumb combat types that have a mind pool as short as a chimp's. Yep one good mind poison and a headshot II or III if your good. Will drop most weak minded fools its because they are unbalanced and STUPID!!!
Almost all these CH's, BH, GF's etc have novice medic. All they have to have is a doctors cure poison (med use 5 ) stim and I'm WORTHLESS! So because they don't have the tactics god gave a rock Combat Medic should be screwed?
Almost all these CH's, BH, GF's etc have novice medic. All they have to have is a doctors cure poison (med use 5 ) stim and I'm WORTHLESS! So because they don't have the tactics god gave a rock Combat Medic should be screwed?
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you need /curePoison ability, only doctors are able to heal your DoT. Combine it with the fact, that this is the last line every doctor fill, you will see 99% of docs who are able to cure poison are master docs.
Even if the poison will be reduced to half of its current effect, you will still be able to kill groups with mind DoT without docs.
Its very powerfull, dont understimate it.
On your server board and in game by swithing over.
> Can a Combat Medic Solo adv monster spawns?
Yes, easily. You name it - CM can solo it.
> Can a Combat Medic Knockdown groups of Reb's or Imps?
Why bother with knockdown when you can kill a group of rebs/imps with AOE dot ?
> Please. I'm not a Master Combat Medic.
Well... may be that is the problem then.
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I am just about halfway up the tree and I require a Team to get anything big done! While yes when it comes to solo PVPing I kick the butt of most dumb combat types that have a mind pool as short as a chimp's. Yep one good mind poison and a headshot II or III if your good. Will drop most weak minded fools its because they are unbalanced and STUPID!!!
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So let me get this stright: you are not Master CM yet you find it easy to solo PvP and you think that everyne should have a huge mind bar, and those fighters who do not need mind for anything and leave it low are stupid ?
Some professions will always have an edge compared to others, ours is the poisons in PvP. I agree we arent as powerfull in PvM as some other classes and need a team to get things done, only fair, we cant be uber at everything, now why for the sake of *edit* do you want the one thing we can do that actually rocks to get nerfed?
go away!