Combat Medic Archive

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0rv0 wrote:

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Blixtev wrote:

Not just "a pistol at Master". More like a "fantastic DPS unique pistol" at Master. Since no one but master CMs can use it, you definitely garner some respect using one of these in battle.

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We ALL know that CMs needed more DPS than their current CM/Rifle build...

/flail

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ChaoKuang wrote:

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Attichetcuk wrote:

I think people are missing a very important point. This gun we get is not a gun......it is a ubber loot item not craftable by weaponsmiths. This means the 95% of us that cant afford or obtainit will still be wasting 14 points even if we want pistols.

Please fix this before live. Rare items should go with thier template. This gun should be at master pistoleer. Please give us range support line and let us choose our weapon. If you want to give CM some help, give us a special range or melee shot or something.

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Funny, consideringthe Pistoleer Corre.said loot weapons wouldn't be listed as certs in the profession trees, as explained to the question as to why the DE-10 cert was nowhere to be seen. I'd like to see where the Devs or an official said the Disruptor was a looted weapon only.

Message Edited by ChaoKuang on 04-03-2005 10:21 AM

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ChaoKuang wrote:

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Attichetcuk wrote:

I think people are missing a very important point. This gun we get is not a gun......it is a ubber loot item not craftable by weaponsmiths. This means the 95% of us that cant afford or obtainit will still be wasting 14 points even if we want pistols.

Please fix this before live. Rare items should go with thier template. This gun should be at master pistoleer. Please give us range support line and let us choose our weapon. If you want to give CM some help, give us a special range or melee shot or something.

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Funny, consideringthe Pistoleer Corre.said loot weapons wouldn't be listed as certs in the profession trees, as explained to the question as to why the DE-10 cert was nowhere to be seen. I'd like to see where the Devs or an official said the Disruptor was a looted weapon only.

Message Edited by ChaoKuang on 04-03-2005 10:21 AM

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Blixtev wrote:

As to why a pistol? Medical professions if they are associated with weapons are typically associated with a small sidearm so it doesnt impede their healing duties.

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I would like to see the research behind this decision Blixtev. Basically because I dont believe your team has done ANY research whatsoever. I say this because of contradicting things seen so far. Look at what MaraJade has shown with the naming of the CM specials. They make no sense whatsoever, therefore it can be concluded that whoever is responsible has not done any research into these things at all. Because of this I find it highly dubious that any research was done on the link between combat medics and pistols. You talk about 'realism', yet the special's names are not realistic, but this link between CMs and pistols is? This is extremely contradictory, and given SOEs track record, highly dubious.

Personally, I was flicking through some WWII sites on CMs, and while I couldnt find any specific information on weapons used, there were a couple of pictures where the CMs had rifles! I shall find the page, and edit this post with the link.

Message Edited by Atobusarragra on 04-03-2005 09:57 PM

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Smoki wrote:

all of you seem to be over looking that all ranged weapons work with all ranged specials ( for now )

You could do master rifleman and use snipeshot with this pistol,

You could do master bh and use this weapon with all of its specials,

you could do carbineer... you get the picture,

No ones forcing anyone into anything with this weapon cert, if you dont like it, dont use it... it's your loss.

Last I checked it was a realy powerful weapon...

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What you seem to be overlooking is the fact that the issue isn't that we get a pistol at master. The issue is that the Marksman Pre-requisite is now the Pistol Line and NOT the Ranged Support line like it used to be.

What you seem to be overlooking is the fact that requiring the Pistol Line instead of the Ranged Support line means that the profession is being forced towards becoming Pistoleer.

What you seem to be overlooking is the fact that the Ranged Support line being our Marksman Pre-requisite would allow for CM's to choose which of the Marksman Branches/Elite Ranged professions they'd like to take instead of becoming pigeonholed into Pistoleer because it will be cheaper skill-point wise.

What you seem to be overlooking is the actual issue.

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Atobusarragra wrote:

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ChaoKuang wrote:

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Attichetcuk wrote:

I think people are missing a very important point. This gun we get is not a gun......it is a ubber loot item not craftable by weaponsmiths. This means the 95% of us that cant afford or obtainit will still be wasting 14 points even if we want pistols.

Please fix this before live. Rare items should go with thier template. This gun should be at master pistoleer. Please give us range support line and let us choose our weapon. If you want to give CM some help, give us a special range or melee shot or something.

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Funny, consideringthe Pistoleer Corre.said loot weapons wouldn't be listed as certs in the profession trees, as explained to the question as to why the DE-10 cert was nowhere to be seen. I'd like to see where the Devs or an official said the Disruptor was a looted weapon only.

Message Edited by ChaoKuang on 04-03-2005 10:21 AM

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Please provide links to this kind of information, I'm sure we would all like to se where this has been stated.

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ChaoKuang wrote:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=74909 LordMaxx, Pistoleer Correspondent, stated "certs are only listed for craftable weapons, if those are weapons that drop then the cert is on the weapon itself...much like the DE-10 and Geonosian..."

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GraySeven wrote:

You are not being tied down to the pistoleer profession...

As a previous poster stated, combat specials are not weapon dependant any longer. If you don't want to use a pistol, you don't have to, but your Master level Cert is a pistol....which makes sense for a Combat Medic. If you want to be a carbineer, you can, and some (if not all) of your specials are usable with any weapon you are certed for....

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GraySeven wrote:

You are not being tied down to the pistoleer profession...

Tied down? I hope I'm not being tied down to anything...hehe

As a previous poster stated, combat specials are not weapon dependant any longer. If you don't want to use a pistol, you don't have to, but your Master level Cert is a pistol....which makes sense for a Combat Medic. If you want to be a carbineer, you can, and some (if not all) of your specials are usable with any weapon you are certed for....

Okay, it seems you are missing the point. I dont want the pistol - straight up. I, therefore, dont want to have to take the Pistols line in Marksman. I realise, and have stated many times above if you read, that I know specials are no longer restricted, and may be used across professions (to what extent exactly will still need to be tested). However, look at it this way: I spend 14 points on the Pistols line. I spend 14 points on the Rifles line, then master rifles. The specials in the Rifles line and Pistols line in theMarksman table are identical except for one. So for 14 points I effectively gain access to one non-elite special (which may or may not be useful at Master level [if we judge by the current system then it will be useless]), and a certification for a pistol. Now, looking at the pistol it doesnt seem as good as some of the rifles I will have access to (again this will need to be tested). So, unless there is some kind of power it has that makes it insanely good, I doubt I would ever choose to use it over my own CHOSEN ranged weapons line, even if I can use my rifle special moves with it. So I have effectively been forced to waste 14SP. This is what I mean when I say 'forced templating'.

And the reason medics have pistols and not rifles has nothing to do with what is easier to load or set down or whatever, and everything to do with load-out weight. The weight of medical supplies for a RL CM does not allow them to also deal with the weight or bulk of a rifle and the magazines that go with it. Also,a pistol can be straped easily in a small package on your waist, a rifle needs be slung or carried, and the time you loose screwing with it WILL kill someone, but that someone will be your buddy whose bleeding out on the ground in front of you while you unsling and put down your rifle and then dig into your pack for a bandage...

Unfortunately, posting this kind of information with no LINKS to show quantifiable and/or qualifiable data as evidence/reference, mean that this is nothing more than your own opinion. Of course, I dont know if this opinion is based on 30 years experience on frontline active service in the military or not. To use this as more than just your opinion you will need to provide far more detail and it will need to be able to be checked. That means referencing.

You state the above with the intention of suggesting 'realism', but as I have pointed out already, the game contradicts itself according to certain 'realisms'. So why try to push one 'realism' while completely failing to do so in other cases.

Basically, CM is more a Ranged Support profession than a Pistol profession. This is the main argument here. Would anyone argue against this? If the pistol was eliminated from the master box, would anyone argue that CM should have Pistols as the pre-requisite rather than Ranged Support? I dont think so! SOE has put together this flimsy argument by doing nothing more than putting a pistol in the master box and leaving it at that. Unacceptable!

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