Combat Medic Archive
Thread: In Godsname nerf the Combat medics
TheGragg wrote:
Talking about the pot calling the kettle? I never threatened you life. I frown apon those people who would do that. But me telling you to calm down and chill out does not make me a hypocrite. And your not the bigger man. I admit I thought you were exploiting at first, then someone explained it to me. I came here to ask if the devs had lowered the range on the poisons. You automatically label me a nerf cryer when I never once cryed for a nerf. I made a reference to the fact that my rifle is outranged by your poison. I never said lower the range of your poison.
You thought I was exploiting but never said I was exploiting? Oh that makes a big difference there. Xeromedes at the very least had the balls to post an apology for saying I was exploiting.
The reason you never experienced this before more than likely, is most of the CMs on Kauri try to go for the biggest damage. Since the beginning I dedicated myself to making poisons with the longest range.
"People want more range these days..." -- Nick the Greek
Grau'din, this isn't about people threatening your life. This is about your fear of a nerf. You're so scared that you'll attack, label, do what ever you can to discount anybody who so much as even inquires about the range on your poison/diseases. I'm getting from the posts i've read on this forum that you guys get attacked a lot by nerf cryers, and frankly you really could handle this a lot better.
Am I afraid of nerfs? Shrug been through too many to care. I played a bard for 4 years in EQ and I survived the constant nerfing by adjusting my playstyle. I've done the same as a CM. Already I have adjusted my template by surrendering some Doctor skills. Proof is right there, I could care less about nerfs. I originally had a Twilek MasterCM/Master Doc and deleted him to remake myself as a Zabrak. Most would not have bothered to start over or would have made a different class. Again, nerfs I fear not...
The majority of the time you simply call them a newb and tell them they have no idea what they're talking about. Most of the nerf cryes I see on this forum are masters of their profession, and yet their a newb? Explain to them what they saw and how it isn't unbalanced.
Most of the nerf criers are Master BHs who in real life are nothing more than 13 yo kids. If you look back into the archives of this forum you will see many times where we have given a detailed forensic explanation of why we have this or that ability. The majority don't care or have the patience to read these explanationsand keep on crying NERF. So quite frankly we are sick of it.
I killed a BH today using nothing more than a bleed, action disease and action poison. He was surprised that I did not even touch his mind.
My complaint is when others post cries for NERFs out of ignorance. True enough your post didn't directly call for a nerf but it didadd fuel to an already burning fire. The way you asked your questions also made some CMs feel like it was going to build up into a call for a nerf.
From my experience with you on the Kauri forums, I know well you and your other little buddy Katiff consideranyone an exploiter if they can beat you in any way.Hell that night several people said they were going to get a CSR to spawn 10 ATSTs on me if I didnt stop.
"I was trying to look at this objectively but I don't appreciate being lied to." What gall you have to presume you were lied to. Disprove any of the information posted by the experienced CMs in this thread.
"You're not going to call me a newb are you?" is a challenge in my book, a response you directed to Firestrike. That's real civil...
"So if you're a combat medic and know that you have no medicine skills to cure dots then how do you misread something like that?" Yet more inflammatory comments made by yourself.
"My question is how come a turret can shoot out to 70 meters if 64 is the longest range supported?" Why in the name of Zeus's butthole would we care about turret range. Our poisons dont damage turrets andwith our ranged heals we have no business beingin turret range. This discussion was on CM range not turret range. Go ask that in the GCW forums.
Now what became of this discussion? Posts for nerfs because we do mind damage. I suppose you tickle players to death with your T21? As I pointed out it wasn't just mind poison I used in that raid. Iused a wide array of goodies I madethat day.
2. I ask a simple question. I don't give a good **edit** that you thought it was going to be another cry for a nerf. It wasn't. In no way are you justified in replying as if it was a nerf cry. If it added fuel to the fire that wasn't my intention.
3. You need to take another look at the Kauri forums. I wasn't the one crying exploit. The
only reason I became involved was because people had the gall to justify using an exploit. Eventually they relized what they were saying and thought better of it. I'm sorry Grau'din but I'm not going to sit by and watch people pubically pronounce their intent to exploit and destroy other people's hard earned faction perks.
4. Firestrike gave me a wise ass answer. I was provoked, still thats no excuse. You take the newb comment any way you want, but by the looks of the other posts on this forum the chances of me being labeled as a newb in the near future seemed very likely.
5. Firesrike was giving me bogus information. When I ask a question I don't like people spinning words trying to get me off track. IF your a combat medic you know **edit** well that the only DOT medicines you have are poisons and diseases. He tried to confuse me in ragards to a reference of a previous patch by saying that the DOT medicines they were referring to were DOT medicine cures, which combat medics don't have.
6. I love how you use just enough of my quotes from earlier posts to make me look like an idiot. The question about the turret was valid. I was trying to figure out how you guys could throw your DOT's so far when the dev's said that the game was designed for combat at 64 meters max. Then I proposed that the devs increase the range of the ranged professions reasoning that turrets now shoot out to 70 meters. Increase the range of the other professions and you have less people crying nerf the combat medic's range.
7. What else are you going to throw at me? You've already called me a nerf cryer. That was proven wrong. You said I didn't have balls because I didn't bring what I thought was your exploiting to the public forums. Your reference to me saying I don't being lied to was already explained in a previous post. Firesrike himself ask me where I was being lied to and I explained it. Once again you twist my words and make it sound like I'm calling the entire CM community liers. You twist my reference to turret range to discredit me when I'm infact proposing a solution that wouldn't call for a CM nerf. And finnaly, what does any of this have to do with my question? This should all be on the Kauri forums. But you couldn't leave it be. You thought you saw a call for nerf coming and acted when you shouldn't have. Not everybody who comes here asking for information is crying nerf. If this is how you treat somebody questing for information then no wander the CM forums is full of nerf crys.
TheGragg wrote:
1. I thought you exploited. I didn't post on the forums because I didn't know if it really was an exploit. I did post on the forums an apology, I guess you missed it. But according to you I don't have balls because I didn't pubically label you an exploiter..
Yup I guess I missed it...
2. I ask a simple question. I don't give a good **edit** that you thought it was going to be another cry for a nerf. It wasn't. In no way are you justified in replying as if it was a nerf cry. If it added fuel to the fire that wasn't my intention.
It was starting but I understand it wasn't your intent.
3. You need to take another look at the Kauri forums. I wasn't the one crying exploit. The
only reason I became involved was because people had the gall to justify using an exploit. Eventually they relized what they were saying and thought better of it. I'm sorry Grau'din but I'm not going to sit by and watch people pubically pronounce their intent to exploit and destroy other people's hard earned faction perks.
Heh the same people who used exploits in the past to get those faction perks, who used exploits to destroy rebel bases. What proof do I have? None, same as you when you claim others are using exploits agaist you.
4. Firestrike gave me a wise ass answer. I was provoked, still thats no excuse. You take the newb comment any way you want, but by the looks of the other posts on this forum the chances of me being labeled as a newb in the near future seemed very likely.
If you can't take a moment of levity and turn it to your advantage then I truly do pity you. You have much to learn about diplomacy. Your response to him is what turned me against you. You come here acting like you are all business and have no time for nonsense. Well just so you know my fellow CMs like the occasional ribbing. You yourself had the opportunity to be the better man there but instead you acted like you always do, like you owned the place and wanted answers chop chop...
5. Firesrike was giving me bogus information. When I ask a question I don't like people spinning words trying to get me off track. IF your a combat medic you know **edit** well that the only DOT medicines you have are poisons and diseases. He tried to confuse me in ragards to a reference of a previous patch by saying that the DOT medicines they were referring to were DOT medicine cures, which combat medics don't have.
If you felt he was giving you bogus info then direct your question to another CM who had answered or send a PM to our correspondent. You just decided to act like you were much too important for a wiseass comment.
6. I love how you use just enough of my quotes from earlier posts to make me look like an idiot.
You needed no help from me...
7. ...You twist my reference to turret range to discredit me when I'm infact proposing a solution that wouldn't call for a CM nerf.
Yah thanks but no thanks we have had our share of non-CMplayers coming to our boards with "suggestions" on how notto nerf us. Thats how the +1 rule was born...
If this is how you treat somebody questing for information then no wander the CM forums is full of nerf crys.
This is how anyone is treated when they come to a messageboard as a guest and begin demanding things like the world owes them a living.
"Cool it Firecat.. You're a ticking bomb man. I ask a simple question and you immediatly greet me with sarcasm. If you want people to try to understand your side of the story your going to have chill out."
Firestrike's responsedid not deserve that type of comment.
Let me say this guys, Gatton is no newb. He leads some the best PVPers on Kauri. Only problem is they are alsosuch abunch of self-glorified a$$holes that even other Imperial guilds want nothing to do with them. And Gatton is their King... go figure
Whatever Grau'din. As for the exploits, the proof was when the CSR intervened. But once again thats for the Kauri forum not the CM forum. I sound like an idiot? Well I sure as hell do when you twist my words.
And I didn't relize that we weren't welcome to come up with suggestions that involved not nerfing you. The 1 hitpoint thing was a nerf. Extending the ranges of other combat professions is not a nerf. Is this how you treat "guests"? With sarcasm and false information? Yet you expect these "guests" to be the better man? Funny how we were all getting along until you butted in.
TheGragg wrote:
Funny how we were all getting along until you butted in.
A) I am an active Master CM and you happened to make a post in one of the forums I am most active in.
B) You brought a non-CM point of view on a raid you were on. I felt it was only fair as the only CM involved in that raid to post the CM point of view. Hell after all you werre talking about me anyway. Funny thing is, I explained the whole range thing to you days behorehand in that post but I guess you decided to ignore it and keep on beleiving I was exploiting. You certainly didn't bother to ask any questions there about it.
C) Normally I am pretty civil until people start acting like they own the place. You however seem to enjoy roleplaying an a$$hole way too much. Oops I'm sorry I should reserve that for the Kauri forums oh well..
Gnuut wrote:
TheGragg wrote:
Funny how we were all getting along until you butted in.
A) I am an active Master CM and you happened to make a post in one of the forums I am most active in.B) You brought a non-CM point of view on a raid you were on. I felt it was only fair as the only CM involved in that raid to post the CM point of view. Hell after all you werre talking about me anyway. Funny thing is, I explained the whole range thing to you days behorehand in that post but I guess you decided to ignore it and keep on beleiving I was exploiting. You certainly didn't bother to ask any questions there about it.
C) Normally I am pretty civil until people start acting like they own the place. You however seem to enjoy roleplaying an a$$hole way too much. Oops I'm sorry I should reserve that for the Kauri forums oh well..
You explained on the Kauri forum how you were hitting from 80 meters. I came here asking if the devs were lowering it or not. My description of the battle was adequite. As for your CM point of view of the battle - All you added was that we called you an exploiter and supposedly threatend you in real life. Oh yah, and you called me a nerf cryer... what relevance did that have with my question? Face it, your intent was to discredit each and every word that came out of my mouth. You have done nothing but attack my charactor and even went as far to attack my guild. I have not once attacked yours (wait, I'm about to now
. ) Who's the a$$hole here? And what is there to discredit? My intial question?
TheGragg wrote:
...attack my guild. I have not once attacked yours (wait, I'm about to now
Bring it on...I'll be 96m out...
1. 64m max range if you make max range poison the effectiveness suffers. not to mention the resources to do so are limited.
2. I have tested my cm against a BH (not even a master). We was able to win 9 times out of 10 with blind and eyeshot spam. I was on my back right before the first tick.
3. desease + poison will incapp after about 35+ seconds, thats a long ass time.
It amazes me to see eyeshot tooting MBH here complaining about this. How do you think it feels when you loose all your mind in 5 seconds while your laying on your back? Should I run to the BH boards and cry nerf? Perhaps I should because if you believe cm poison to be overpowered you must agree that eyeshot is also over powered?
75% reduction? Do you need to craft every eyeshot with rare resources? NO!
Wookiee of Flurry
I'm with you AVR,
I'm working on Master Doc and Master Medic that don't leave much for the weapon fields.So everyone needs to shut the **edit** up about nerfing this and that and enjoy the **edit** game.
As someone who personally knows a MBH and a dabbler BH Pistol 4/Smuggler Last Ditch. If you die to a CM you are no good as a BH.
Oh yeah as a BH with Last Ditch you also get a great move called Panic Shot. It is your friend when killing CM's. Use that then you have 10 seconds to kill them. If you cant kill someone within 10 seconds as a BH you have other issues you need to address.
Learn your class before you cry nerf. A CM wearing any kind of armor is going to have serious problems throw poisons unless he has all his stats put into mind and also has a mind buff. If you are a BH use Fire Knockdown to end his poison throwing days. If your specials cost too much action when spamming them go find a doc to buff you.
A CM is in no way the class it was before the +1 rule.