Combat Medic Archive

Thread: How to defend againest poison and disease

Morganite
Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:21 am
#40
At 4/0/2//0 doc you can buy/use cure c packs, and have the medicine use to use them. A master anything except BH has the skill points left to get this if they choose.


It comes down to a concious choice, I made one to have absolutely zero weapons skills, but master both healing professions instead.



also, the geno loot is severly overpowered, and needs to be removed to be honest. All the geno loot does is makes good combat medics out of bad ones, since any real combat medic knows the difference between a good CM and a bad one is their resources, and experience.



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Gnuut
Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:11 am
#41




Morganite wrote:
also, the geno loot is severly overpowered, and needs to be removed to be honest. All the geno loot does is makes good combat medics out of bad ones, since any real combat medic knows the difference between a good CM and a bad one is their resources, and experience.



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SquibII
Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:55 am
#42
Funny, I read the on topic part of this thread yesterday, and fought my first CM today. I won (barely), and it was exactly because I followed the advice given early on: don't panic, and think quickly about what you can do before your mind is gone.

In my case, I was hit with a 600 or so mind tick from 64 meters. I had intended to engage at range to whittle down his health, but when I saw the poison message, I hit burst run to charge in during the poison throwing animation. My timing was off, and by the time I realized I wasn't going to catch him, I was down to half of my mind. I hauled ass the other way, into the Anchorhead cantina, and got far enough away that I was able to pull a muon out of my the crate in my pack. Then I waited, with my 1 mind point, until he came in to finish me off. I took a shot of brandy and the muon, and surprised him at close range when he entered. The fight was long enough for me to end up with 1 mind somewhere towards the end, and he managed to get an incap. I got a nice Force of Will Roll though, enough to give me enough mind for one more tick, and finally managed a dizzy+KD. That pretty much ended it for him.

I didn't have to have a Doc around. I had to be smart, wait for him to make a mistake, and have a little luck on my side. That's all.
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:40 am
#43




SquibII wrote:
Funny, I read the on topic part of this thread yesterday, and fought my first CM today. I won (barely), and it was exactly because I followed the advice given early on: don't panic, and think quickly about what you can do before your mind is gone.



Maybe we should get these words of advise moved into the game loading screeens?




Carbicide: "The victimless crime!"
BTW Yes it is true, I've tested it myself, poison only ticks once every TEN seconds!
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SquibII
Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:59 am
#44
Don't get me wrong, it was a nerve-wracking experience, and I'm not looking to repeat it anytime soon. Also, it really could have gone either way.

Look, it sucks when you get mind poisoned. It sucks when a Bounty Hunter knocks you down and sets you on fire. It sucks when a commando flames you and you recap and then go down again 5 seconds later with horrible wounds, and it sucks when a TK KDs and dizzies you and then stomps you down while you're staring up at the sky. I figure that my time is better spent learning how to avoid these embarassing situations than bitching about them.
Twista-DFR-
Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:09 pm
#45
Best thing to do is to run when you see a CM, run as fast and as far away as possible!



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JudasTyberius
Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:51 pm
#46

I truly dont understand all the complaints, anyone who uses their wits and brains can beat a combat medic if they choose their terrain well. The problem with the whole concept of "every other skill in this game has a counter that can be bought and sold by an individual person no matter what their character setup" is that you either completely resist our damage, or you dont. The armor has not been made that can resist 100% damage yet that I am aware of.



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The complaints stem from the fact that they want it to be easy. They are not interested in a challenge. They are not interested in using terrain to their advantage. They want to be able to point, shoot, DB, move on. They hate the fact that they know they are going to pay if they attack us, and that they will pay long after we have cloned. They also have no interest in grouping with other people.


So, it basically all goes back to them being unmotivated, uncreative, unsocial, and unwilling to deal with the reality of the game. They want it handed to them on a silver platter. I can only say that what they want is not this game, its some version of this game where they dont play against other real human opponents. They want to be able to figure out the AI, and crush it utterly with no risk.


Go play KoTOR. You'll like it. You dont have to WORK at it. Enjoy.


Ledo Valasio



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Morganite
Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:55 pm
#47




JudasTyberius wrote:


I truly dont understand all the complaints, anyone who uses their wits and brains can beat a combat medic if they choose their terrain well. The problem with the whole concept of "every other skill in this game has a counter that can be bought and sold by an individual person no matter what their character setup" is that you either completely resist our damage, or you dont. The armor has not been made that can resist 100% damage yet that I am aware of.



________________________________________________________________________


The complaints stem from the fact that they want it to be easy. They are not interested in a challenge. They are not interested in using terrain to their advantage. They want to be able to point, shoot, DB, move on. They hate the fact that they know they are going to pay if they attack us, and that they will pay long after we have cloned. They also have no interest in grouping with other people.


So, it basically all goes back to them being unmotivated, uncreative, unsocial, and unwilling to deal with the reality of the game. They want it handed to them on a silver platter. I can only say that what they want is not this game, its some version of this game where they dont play against other real human opponents. They want to be able to figure out the AI, and crush it utterly with no risk.


Go play KoTOR. You'll like it. You dont have to WORK at it. Enjoy.


Ledo Valasio





Good point, maybe I am different coming from an FPS gaming background, but I am used to taking all of these factors into account when I enter into a fight. I guess RPG players are used to their templates doing the work for them, instead of having to use their brains as well.


Shrug



MMM Industries, found at 2540 -4661 near Mos eisley. Food, weapons, powerups, armor, med's, speeders, repair tools, we have it all..


Offer all auction winnings to the food vendor at said waypoint..
Morganite
Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:30 am
#48




SquibII wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it was a nerve-wracking experience, and I'm not looking to repeat it anytime soon. Also, it really could have gone either way.

Look, it sucks when you get mind poisoned. It sucks when a Bounty Hunter knocks you down and sets you on fire. It sucks when a commando flames you and you recap and then go down again 5 seconds later with horrible wounds, and it sucks when a TK KDs and dizzies you and then stomps you down while you're staring up at the sky. I figure that my time is better spent learning how to avoid these embarassing situations than bitching about them.




This should be the quote at the loading screen...


I have been beaten by smart players many time, according to the nerfhearders, I guess I should go cry on their forum that they are overpowered.



MMM Industries, found at 2540 -4661 near Mos eisley. Food, weapons, powerups, armor, med's, speeders, repair tools, we have it all..


Offer all auction winnings to the food vendor at said waypoint..
Schiller
Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:22 am
#49

now all you said here is



1. actualy you have no chance if we kite you outside your range. just die its pvp


2. there are poisons that can kill your mind in one tick. sorry we dont know how to stop them. but try food.


3. if you dont want to take master doctor in your template then you are one of those nerf whiners...



anyways we have so many CMs around that drived me to be CM killer. I found a way how to kill those CM wannabies.


first of all. Be Master Rifleman / Master Doctor / novice brawler.


make your buffs and cures only with 950+ quality resource and under perfect conditions so you can buff up to 4k ham or more.


macro cures to an instant macro, use clear combat queue command too.


get some pvp armor. Mine is 83% base and 40% stun in case they have rifleman or other nasty combos.


get a krayted jawa and if you can a good t21.You will also need a low ham finishing gun.Get them damage sliced and apply damage powerups.


get BE enhanced blue milk and synstreak. vagnarian and brandy can also come in handy.



Now you are 80%+ armored 40% extra defence 4K ham, poison immune monster wielding a gun that can hit for 800 damage on mind every second.


avoid vagnarian and brandy. keep your stomach for blue milk and synstreak. Dont spam headshot unless you are mindbuffed. Being such a tank will keep you up forever you dont need specials if they hit you for 5 sometimes 6 damage with their gimped combat skills.


try to close up with them (20 meters) and use intimidate and spray shot. stacking intim and stun drops their damage to nothing on 80% armor. even if they are some brawler and manage to kd and dizzy you they wont hurt you much when stunned and intimidate.


this is how it works for me.


Most CMs will always stack poison and desease on you first, when they do it they are mostly pretty sure of their win and often are not very coutious. Just get rid of it with the instant cure macro. you can land few hard hits during their 4 seconds that they need to throw something. It takes them another 10 seconds before they realise you have just ruined their plans by curing the poisons. Mostly they are already dead by then or at least half way down when they toss their guns and try to kill you with that. now stack stun and intim, eat synstreak, relax and enjoy the show. If they are rifleman they will try to spam few headshots and lose another chunk of their mind before realising they dont do any damage. If they are some brawler they will try to KD and dizzy you. Be sure they are stunned + intim and you will be save. if they are smart they will stack another poison and desease when you are down. it ticks to slow though you will be back up before it can kill you. cure it away and eat milk. Save your mind until their is gone. Then finish them with a single headshot.






ttjjgg
Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:45 am
#50
hello JudaTyberius


I completely have to disagree with your comment, so much to the point that it makes me mad. I cannot speak for everyone else, but if I wanted it to be easy I would have not started this post, I was looking for a solutions without asking for changes.


Another point to your comment is that it works the other way, where is the creativity of becoming a CM using the same foods, spices, and armor as anyone else? (Do not use the excuse that a CM's only source of damage is that DOT! It might be in that profession tree, but they are not the ones being creative and using their skills to the best of their ability. As a bounty hunter I use many of the skills in the ranged support,Supression fire gives the DOT that much more time to work. What CM just stands there looking cute, or strictly runs after appling the poison anyway?) Now you only have to survive as long enough to allow the DOT damage to take it's hold. For the CMs that are doctors this may be hard to do, for CMs that take a combat class maybe not so hard to do.


The reason I posted this is because of a certain Master riflemen/CM. This person buffed his stats, wore comp armor, used food and spices and came to theed alone and killed people until a group offive finally formed againest him andoverwhelmed him.His tactic was nothing more then mind poison, mind disease, headshot3, DB, hide out until the next unsuspecting person came along. In my opinion this requires no more skill then any other combat profession, it borders on a TKM using KD2, unarmed hit 3, DB. What makes this worse then others is that he could DB from a range, so he never has to remain near by to get the DB (this may be a problem of to many defense stackers without ranged support.)


Being buffed, armored, with food and spice, you will most likely live for more then 20 or 30 seconds in a one on one fight. unless the person fighting the CM is prepared you will not live that long. Explain to me how the CM is any different then any other profession from letting the template work for them.


As to becoming a doctor, again I feel I must stress to many skill points involved to getting the necessary skills to even use the cure poison and disease abilities. 97 I think the number is, and then your most likely only using cure a's. This is the worst suggestion imaginable because you will never find another overt person unless he/she is a doctor, or in a large group with doctors. How many times have you formed a group to go raid Anchorhead, Theed, Coronet, Moenia, and Bestine and not found anyone willing to PVP againest you? Great that will happen even more because of the lack of doctors.


If the unlikely were to happen the people playing this game would be divided into almost three very distinct groups, crafters and support personal, PVP'ers with doctor or who only PVP with doctors, and PVE people. What is really a foreseeable scenario is that everyone who PVP's will either be a doctor or a CM.


I came here with an open mind, tried to be polite, and only asked for solutions. I also came here asking that you not tell me I don't have skills, need to become a doctor, let overt groups run rampart until I find a doctor willing to PVP, argue about how CM's need don't need to be changed. What are the majority of the responses I got?


Again thank you for your time, and please try to limitrepsonses to possible viable solutions.


P.S. no matter how much you hammer it, I will never believe that every third person that PVP's needs to become a doctor to counter the one in maybe fifteen combat medics in this game.

Schiller
Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:36 am
#51
I know exactly what you mean.


Anyways. You can buff your physical stats into godlike range and all you need to keep them there is novice medic and high quality B stims.


So lets be honest, pvp is all about mind.


Therefore there are just4 classes most representet in pvp.


1. Teras Kasi

2. Combat Medic

3. Rifleman

4. Swordsman


The reason why they are so good in pvp: they can target mind. If you face the fact that other classes like commando or bounty hunter can easy outdamage them on physical pools. They screw up on 4k buffed well armored tanks who can heal themselves.


Same for combat medic.


if an avarage CM poison ticks for 500 damage every 10 seconds.A bounty hunter can easily hit for800 dmg in 3 seconds rate. CMs desiease cannot outdamage commandos fire dot. But again if you are buffed you can just keep healing.All you need is novice medic.


You see its not the damage. Its the fact that physical pools are easier to buff, to high and to easy to heal. Mind pools are to weakon the other hand. Logicaly people want rather to be able to target weak mind pools then those uber physical so you just have to be one of the classes i listed above if you want to be any usefull in pvp.


I think ballancing the physical and mindpools would turn the pvp into something more challenging then mind war.


- Make physical buffs less effective. Especialy the secondary. Nowadays you can use high ham guns at no cost while being in full composite suit.

- Make novice medic heals be less effective and make the healing timer much longer for novice.

- decrease mind cost for weapons and armor

- make entertainer buffs instant, more effective and give them the ability to buff themselves

- give us more abilities to heal and protect mind.


this changes would calm down the mind targeting classes in pvp and make others more interestning without need to nerf teras kasi, nerf combat medic and rifleman to useless folk.




JudasTyberius
Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:28 pm
#52
TTJJGG-


First of all, I found your original post to be a breath of fresh air. Then I looked at some of your other posts. You are barely better than the rest of the nerfers around here.


Second of all, I did not post that reply in response to your original post, but the post of another. These forums occassionally have replies to replies, which this one was.


Third of all, bummer that you got upset. Try to chill man. Like I said, it wasnt personal, and it wasnt directed at you. If you want to take it personally, feel free to be pissed about ME being truthful, as I see it.


Finally, if you had read my post, and the one I responded to, you would not have had to spend 5 or 10 minutes composing this dribble, because you would have (i hope) realized that I was talking about the rest of the nerf herders in here who whine that its impossible to beat a cm in PVP.


And as for my advice to you... If you are going to PVP, theres a good chance you'll run up against a CM. Dont PVP Solo. Take some meat shields, and a doctor, and use the terrain and buildings to your advantage.


You cant win the all, but you sure can whine them all.



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