Combat Medic Archive
Thread: A BH just trying to float an idea (very simple medic)
SpinalInjury wrote:
Thats a great idea....and while they are at it, they should give medics novice bounty hunter also. I think that would be a fair trade....
See how stupid it sounds now?
Combat medics are supposed to heal people in combat, so why don't we give them diseases and make weapon training a requirement for entry. See how stupid that sounds? Oh wait...
Why don't we make bounty hunters have to use camps or train with animal traps and are not applicable towards bounty hunting? See how stupid that sounds? Oh wait...
BHs shouldn't normally take part in the GCW and the medic skills shouldn't be a "free" skill. The rifle orcamp requirement should be dropped in favor of making novice medic a requirement. Once BH is attained though, medic could no longer be used to heal others, you could not advance up the medic tree (so bleeding is still a concern), and you wouldn't be allowed to craft medical supplies. This way, the medic skill is integrated into BH requirement and the use of rifles in combat will no longer be easy. If Eye Shot (regular)is moved to MBH and a Eye Shot (weaker) skill is made, the BH would no longer be as prevalent in PvP like it is now and would be played correctly.
It would also give more incentive for people to play the combat classes, as the developers probably meant the game to be.It's a fact that SOE specifically wanted BHs to be in low numbers. This is why the requirements were so high, not because they are really powerful. Unfortunately, due to the fact that the BH fits so well in the ultra PvP template people are willing to give up 217 skill points for an easy to use mind shot and two DOT attacks. BH is really only worth all of its skill points in PvP and this is why PvE people like me are trying to add worth to the profession. By putting medic into the Investigation line, only the PvE people would have the benefits of being a bounty hunter, not the PvP template people.
It kind of drives me nuts when these bounty hunters come over here and say that Combat Medics are supposed to be a support class that only heals in combat. That is absolutely NOT what combat medics are and never where supposed to be.
Combat medics have the ability to heal, I'll give you that, even heal at range, so they have great usage in a combat group. However they are also the biological warfare experts of the game, so with that in mind they have a combat orientation. We can heal, we can destroy it is explicitly written into our character profession.
Now bounty hunters, they track down criminals and other wanted individuals as such you have to be able to track. Where do you learn to track? In the wild, thus the Scout skills. Since you are on your own a lot out looking for your prey, you should know how to make camps, at the moment traps are for animals, but maybe they should be made to be used on humanoids as well, then you would have to know how to do that as well.
Then of course you are combat masters, there is no doubt that you should be good at combat, however I thinkyou are still overpowered at the moment.
So right now, it isa hard road to be a bounty hunter, good it should be, not everyone can be one. It is also a hard road to be a combat medic, few people will want to go out and gather the resources, sit at the crafting station and craft for hours on end to get there.
Giving bounty hunter any healing skills is a bad idea in a long history of bad ideas. If you want healing then pay for it, if I want to look for resources as a combat medic, I have to have artisan, if I want to have a weapon I have to have a weapon skill, If you want healing, then buy the medic skills.After all what else are you going to spend those extra skill points on anyway? Artisan? Hand to Hand combat?
Correct me if I am wrong. What you are asking for is BH with 'minor' healing abilities. Your point being this medic abilitieswill be especially useful in a PvE situation and shouldn't be deemed too powerful especially in the light of possibly overpowering the BH in a PvP situation.
Well, what you are asking foris *CURRENTLY* available though not in the form that you suggests. You can have Master BH *AND* novic medic and all within the available system.
But if you are asking for Master BH *AND* have 33 pts (from whatI remember as the leftover pts after MBH)available for something else *AND* still have some medic skills, then, I have to say that's asking for too much.
Quu
Perfectly said. Im in the same boat, I recently let go all my pistoleer skills to go CM / Doctor because I felt that buffs would be a greater benefit for me. Thats my choice. BH's have the choice too, you still have more then enough skill points aftert Master BH to get medic skills if you choose to, and in doing so get better heals(Stim B). Also as a CM / Doctor I have to sacrifice my combat skills, and at the same time I cant afford artisan to survey for my own resources I so greatly require. I have to rely on others to farm them, and pay them for their time. Every profession has a tradeoff, BH's wanting to heal makes their tradeoff for high combat skills 1 sided.
HandleOne wrote:
I understand the reasoning for BH’s to want basic Medic skills. However, I do not agree that they should be given to them. The point system is designed to be all about trade-offs. What is more important to the individual?
I am an aspiring Combat Medic/Doctor. My trade-off is weapon combat skills. A Bounty Hunter on the other hand has weapon combat skills. Therefore, their trade off is Medic abilities.
If I want skills that are not in my chosen profession then it’s time I sacrifice a skill or two. I don’t want to give up my pistol. However, If I need the skill points to climb my Medic professions. Then out the window it goes. The same applies to everyone else in the game.
Just my two cents for what it’s worth.
Delrin Reesia
Aspiring Combat Medic/Doctor
Bounty Hunters are over powered enough as it is, why in the HELL would someone give them medic skills on top of that? Live with your class, if you don't like it...change.
If you want to heal, become a medic
If you want to make droids, become a droid engineer. Its that simple.
I can't wait til they propose the arguement that since they use seekers all the time, they should be able to make them...LOL
Bounty Hunters are just mad that they get killed too easily by CMs.
Your plan seems decent but theres a lot of questions. some are:
What level of med use you want? Stim c's stim d's? stim b's
If it goes through what will prevent other classes such as command from saying we should be able to heal ourself?
do you want hte ability to heal wounds? or only damage?
do you want the ability to buff?
do you want extra med effectiveness or healing speed or only med use?
If you put the healing skill only at master bh you nee to spend 14 points to get there, where as only 15 is required to novice medic, is that 1 point that much? what else are you or most BH's trying to save by doing this?
Wister wrote:
Unless one plays the BH character as a bounty hunter, then you do not understand the situation of our profession. Most people don't like the SWG BH because it is greatly abused in PvP.
I Understand Your Situation More then you would guess...I Sat as a novice Commando Poping away at Nuna's for 10 damage...every 8 seconds...with a Flamethrower.....for overa month. It Realy Sucked Being a Commando and Being more worthless then a novice marksmen holding a CDEF. But now Were Fixed, and Overpopulated, so i am begining to give up more and more Commando Stuff In favore of the, Less popular, CM.
The Way i See it BH'shave beenRiped off in the same fashion...Although kinda Backwards. You are a VERY effective profession, Butyour Contentis completly lacking...Almost leaves that "Overcompensation" taste in my mouth. i can imagine, Alot of "True" BH's are frustrated thet alot of the stuff(missions, Player bounties, Big Pay-offs...)they were expecting are Either Very Weak or toataly non-existant. That is a Whole different topic tho....
IMO, Your lack of Content has nothing to do with Asking for Medical abilities. I Don't see how the two subjects are conected. I Completly Support BH's Getting more Content, it will Certainly Get some of them out of the Discontent void they are in (Filling it with PvP), and Out in the universetaking out marks 
But i won't support BH's Getting even more power....Hell, i Already feel novice medic in itself is Two Powerfull with stim B's....I Don't want to See BH's (An Already powerfull Class, that has no real role, Currently) Becoming Even more powerfull. There are alreay too many BH Players who use it just for PvP, How many more Do you would think would surface after the FIRST DAY of a BH medic line? We are talking the Commando Migration all over again....Do you realy want that?
All For BH Content!
Very Oppose To BH Overpowering & OverPopulation!
SpinalInjury wrote:
How about you take this crap to the BH forum. Your not going to rally support for Bounty Hunters getting medic skills on a Combat Medic forum.
Bounty Hunters are over powered enough as it is, why in the HELL would someone give them medic skills on top of that? Live with your class, if you don't like it...change.
If you want to heal, become a medic
If you want to make droids, become a droid engineer. Its that simple.
I can't wait til they propose the arguement that since they use seekers all the time, they should be able to make them...LOL
Bounty Hunters are just mad that they get killed too easily by CMs.
I asked for your opinions, why is that so wrong? We are trying to make compromises so that people stop going into BH for the pure PvP advantage. Most people who PvP like to take pistoleer or CH with BH skills. The effectiveness of this plan is easily fixed by making people either go to master (thus dropping the other skills) or not taking BH at all. We are tired of our bounty hunting profession being destroyed by people who use our skills as standard fighters in the GCW. Why is that so hard to understand? It's not.
I think it's funny that you think we don't like getting killed by CMs. This has absolutely nothing to do with being killed by CMs. I have only hunted with CMs and I do not take part in the GCW because that is not my role. A BH should never have to fight against a combat medic unless PC bounties would be implemented and a PC would be a CM. I have no problem with CMs so I don't see where this comment comes from.
JediQuic wrote:
Wister wrote:
Unless one plays the BH character as a bounty hunter, then you do not understand the situation of our profession. Most people don't like the SWG BH because it is greatly abused in PvP.
I Understand Your Situation More then you would guess...I Sat as a novice Commando Poping away at Nuna's for 10 damage...every 8 seconds...with a Flamethrower.....for overa month. It Realy Sucked Being a Commando and Being more worthless then a novice marksmen holding a CDEF. But now Were Fixed, and Overpopulated, so i am begining to give up more and more Commando Stuff In favore of the, Less popular, CM.
The Way i See it BH'shave beenRiped off in the same fashion...Although kinda Backwards. You are a VERY effective profession, Butyour Contentis completly lacking...Almost leaves that "Overcompensation" taste in my mouth. i can imagine, Alot of "True" BH's are frustrated thet alot of the stuff(missions, Player bounties, Big Pay-offs...)they were expecting are Either Very Weak or toataly non-existant. That is a Whole different topic tho....
IMO, Your lack of Content has nothing to do with Asking for Medical abilities. I Don't see how the two subjects are conected. I Completly Support BH's Getting more Content, it will Certainly Get some of them out of the Discontent void they are in (Filling it with PvP), and Out in the universetaking out marks But i won't support BH's Getting even more power....Hell, i Already feel novice medic in itself is Two Powerfull with stim B's....I Don't want to See BH's (An Already powerfull Class, that has no real role, Currently) Becoming Even more powerfull. There are alreay too many BH Players who use it just for PvP, How many more Do you would think would surface after the FIRST DAY of a BH medic line? We are talking the Commando Migration all over again....Do you realy want that?
All For BH Content!
Very Oppose To BH Overpowering & OverPopulation
This is exactly the point. We are trying to keep our profession from being completely destroyed by the PvP people by trying to move BHs out of the GCW as much as possible. If they ever make BH content interesting, who would want it if our profession would no longer be able to do the new missions? No one is trying to decrease the effectiveness of the BH class.