Combat Medic Archive

Thread: Publish 10 question

Ternque01
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:16 pm
#27






Pahdbacca wrote:








Morath360 wrote:

He is not a troll no more than anyone else that disagrees with you.


(he hijacked the thread (trolling) he started baiting with old news that is known to start flames (1-3 CMs ruin the game for many people (trolling)) implied that the regular posting CMs in this forum turn a blind eye to bugs when it suits their needs (trolling). None of this was mentiond before he became involved in the thread (trolling).


The facts are that combat has been much funner as of late with the CM's ruining it for everyone. (you mean without?)(you are trolling with this statement by the way)



Why don't we just wait and see what it does before we get all up in arms. Who is we? you and axom? You and the rest of the trolls? Certainly not you and the people trying to answer the original question in this thread. Nobody got up into arms before the trolling started.



You guys have been on top for a very long time while other professions have been neglected. 2 wrongs don't make a right One wrong doesn't make a right either.



but the least you can do is have a little patience until we see the actuals.. This thread was patient until the trolling began.














At some point it would be nice to dispense with the pleasantries and state exactly how we feel. It makes me furious that any time I have to state something on the CM board that I have a well-thought-out opinion of that I have to sugar coat it to the degree that it is no longer what I even meant to say in the first place. Everything I say around here is trolling. I do try to be kind on your ears, but my best successes at that have been written in scientific format in past perfect tense. All references to personal opinion were discarded. I even made it coldly objective. Nothing that could be described as "emotion" or "humanity" could be etched from it. It has been alot of work on my past posts in your thread to reach some common understanding, but I'm tired of that. Can't we just be normal human beings? Text is a crappy medium of language and meaning. Just take what I'm saying as if I'm your best friend and you accidentaly stepped on my toes or something.


All of this sugar coating around here reminds me of the story of the Emperor with no clothes. One day an emperor hired a tailor to make a fine suit for him. The tailor was sly and decided to fool the emporer - he took all the cloth to himself and told the naked emperor that his completed suit was on his body already and that it looked "fabulous".


So the emperor strolled through his court and everyone he saw was like "**edit**???", but the emperor asked how they liked his new suit he just had made. They all lost their minds in the moment and replied "Wow! That's one helluva suit!!!" The emperor loves his new suit dearly


So the emperor goes walking down the street until this kid sees him and laughs right to his face, "HAHAHAHA You got no clothes on FOOL!"


I feel just like that kid in the CM forum. No one would call that kid a troll. He's just plainly stating the truth. That's what I will do. CM's have ruined PvP. 1-3 people have destroyed entire armies (with the assistance of their "cleanup crew" riflemen, pistoleer, etc.). That's in the past, but my feeling is that I don't want the past to return.


Things have changed. They are getting changed again in publish 10.I just put in that it bothers me that this could be a return to the old days.It was a conversational response to a few of the posters in this thread. They said that they "wouldn't mind these changes being swept under the rug until publish day". If you can't see how this would piss me off, I don't know what to tell you. Grow up. Work out. Eat better food. Blah, Blah, Blah, blah, blah



Axob Freelight
The non-Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe.
Ternque01
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:19 pm
#28






vortexala wrote:

It's not a 'sweep it under the rug' issue.


It's a 'I already tested the hell out of the old system and am tired' issue.


I tested it more then anyone else previously. Not because I had to, but because it needed to be done. This time? Sorry, not going to do it. I did my part the first round, let someone else step up and do the testing this time through.


Not to mention the jedi-centric focus as of late on TC, which precludes any in-depth testing of anything else. And the fact that the resources weren't easily available this time through as well. And the fact that these changes are to Doctor items. Doctors should be the ones testing them just as much, if not more, then CMs. Yet here you are, complaining at us and not them?


Look Ternque, no offense, but if you want the testing done then either step up or... well, you know how it goes.






I'm not going to deny this. I'm lazier than the Dude from the Big Lebowski (high in the runnings for laziest worldwide). I appreciate the response man. I got no beef here - just commenting on how I percieved things.



Axob Freelight
The non-Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe.
Morath360
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:28 am
#29


Pahdbacca wrote:


Morath360 wrote:

He is not a troll no more than anyone else that disagrees with you.

(he hijacked the thread (trolling) he started baiting with old news that is known to start flames (1-3 CMs ruin the game for many people (trolling)) implied that the regular posting CMs in this forum turn a blind eye to bugs when it suits their needs (trolling). None of this was mentiond before he became involved in the thread (trolling).

The facts are that combat has been much funner as of late with the CM's ruining it for everyone. (you mean without?)(you are trolling with this statement by the way)

Why don't we just wait and see what it does before we get all up in arms. Who is we? you and axom? You and the rest of the trolls? Certainly not you and the people trying to answer the original question in this thread. Nobody got up into arms before the trolling started.

You guys have been on top for a very long time while other professions have been neglected. 2 wrongs don't make a right One wrong doesn't make a right either.

but the least you can do is have a little patience until we see the actuals.. This thread was patient until the trolling began.








Well, I can see you are passionate about this subject. That is a good thing. However, if you think no one was upset before I posted then read again. Comments such as things not getting any worse is pretty up in arms to me. I have been on these boards a long time and this actually is the first time I have been accused of trolling that I can remember. Trolling to me is just posting negetive comments for the sake of high jacking a thread or not posting anything constructive at all. While this can be a matter of opinion based on what you want to see, I do not believe I have done this. You may not like what I said but the facts are that you will not know the CM changes until live actually hits which is publish 10. I believe publish 10 is in the original posters question. I don't see any mods coming in and warning me for trolling and this has never happend to me.. Only been around since July of last year..

Also, I can say from experience of both being a MCM and being on the other side to being in large battles 80 to 100 people on each side to 3 on each side that in "MY OPINION" combat is funner the way it is now. That is not trolling, that is an opinion. It is meant to balance those who want it back like it was and who thought it was fine the way it was. I know what it is like to be a CM and I have a whole house full of CM goods that I no longer can use. So before you go around loosely screaming troll, make sure you know who and what your talking about.

Im not here to dissect and look for every little nuance of what someone says and go about yelling "Citizens Arrest" every time someone states something. Just relax a bit Barney...

hehe in case that is before some your times... Barney Fife Mayberry.. LOL

Message Edited by Morath360 on 08-31-2004 07:39 AM



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Morath {WRATH} MBH MD
Kahless {WRATH} Light Jedi Knight
vortexala
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:14 am
#30






Mild-Breeze-Trooper wrote:

Publish Notes for publish 10 are up:

Here


You'll notice a strange shortage of changes to Doc and Combat Medic professions.

Do they ever deliver as promised in this game?

Or is it just a matter of not being able to produce complete update notes?






I'd attribute it more to lack of notation then lack of implementation.



~Texxie Xetrov~
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Pahdbacca
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:25 am
#31

Show me the first spot where somebody got up in arms in this thread. If stating that things can't get any worse is getting up in arms, you and I have different perspectives.


Show me how a Combat medic correspondent explaining why it is impractical for him to test DOCTOR meds on TC is sweeping things under the rug and turning a blind eye to something that may be in our favor.


Axon is trolling in my opinion. Deal with it. I stated why in what I thought was no uncertain terms without sugar-coating.


Morath, thanks for trying not to troll, but you couldn't resist calling me Barny at the end. Sorry, but I fail to see how that adds to constructive argument and it seems to me like it is more of a dig. I hope it made you feel better. If it didn't, I don't see what good it did.



Poison Cs fully experimented for potency cap at around 220. Mediocre resist Bs reach a strength of around 200. CMs had issue with that. Devs agreed that the resists are probably overpowered. Since resists counter poisons with the same potency of the resist strength 50% of the time, IMO the highest strength a C resist should have is near 220, maybe a little over that. This would allow a resist C to counter a poison experimented for potency, with little or no damage experimenation, 50% of the time.



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Zhose U'nare = Master Smuggler / Pistoleer - resource hound

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" If you're dependant on venom to be effective than you're doing something wrong." - Obata
Morath360
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:59 am
#32

Its constructive because if you calm down like you seemingly are, its better for everyone. BTW I like vort's comment. Lets see if the changes are in there and not just left out of the notes.



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"In space all warriors are cold warriors.."


Morath {WRATH} MBH MD
Kahless {WRATH} Light Jedi Knight
Pahdbacca
Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:50 am
#33



I am testing resists right now. Will post in a new thread later. I am having difficulty finding good Tat herb meat for resist Cs at the moment.

Message Edited by Pahdbacca on 08-31-2004 01:48 PM



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Pip Tazo = Master Doc / Swordsman - Always the CM at heart
Zhose U'nare = Master Smuggler / Pistoleer - resource hound

Former CM correspondent - Member of Team Black Bar
" If you're dependant on venom to be effective than you're doing something wrong." - Obata
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:02 pm
#34






vortexala wrote:


I'd attribute it more to lack of notation then lack of implementation.





So I see, Thanks Texxie and Padhbacca for aleviating my fears.

Still, I'd like it better if we got some notes clarifying that the old settings were faulty, to block some of the upcoming whining



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Ternque01
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:15 pm
#35






Pahdbacca wrote:

Show me the first spot where somebody got up in arms in this thread. If stating that things can't get any worse is getting up in arms, you and I have different perspectives.


Show me how a Combat medic correspondent explaining why it is impractical for him to test DOCTOR meds on TC is sweeping things under the rug and turning a blind eye to something that may be in our favor.


Axon is trolling in my opinion. Deal with it. I stated why in what I thought was no uncertain terms without sugar-coating.


Morath, thanks for trying not to troll, but you couldn't resist calling me Barny at the end. Sorry, but I fail to see how that adds to constructive argument and it seems to me like it is more of a dig. I hope it made you feel better. If it didn't, I don't see what good it did.



Poison Cs fully experimented for potency cap at around 220. Mediocre resist Bs reach a strength of around 200. CMs had issue with that. Devs agreed that the resists are probably overpowered. Since resists counter poisons with the same potency of the resist strength 50% of the time, IMO the highest strength a C resist should have is near 220, maybe a little over that. This would allow a resist C to counter a poison experimented for potency, with little or no damage experimenation, 50% of the time.






I'd much prefer fully strength experimented resist C's to counter fully potency experimented poison C's around 55-60% of the time. My guild has a 12 point CM with a voracity for crafting and I've yet to see a resist C ever. You like to say how rare poison resources are, but one poison can affect several people. I'd like to see an increase in the spawn of the resist resources and a guarantee that the strongest resists protect against themost potentpoisons 55-60% of the time.


I'll see how these changes work on the battlefield then come back and comment.






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