Combat Medic Archive

hey, just replying to the post above, i tried MCM/MBH/0400 carbs and it was good but the problem you have is a root a root is basically a must and thats why i just changed to 0004 pistoleer along with MCM/MBH. Alot of the jedi's will have a root so when they root you, you root them back and then they will not gain ground on you. Crippling shot is good but with force run they can get to you no problem. I know two very good bh's on my server who are pistoleer 0004 and they own alot of jedi. Roots also help alot when applying the dots and suprise attack when mobs are agroing them

I could actually still use my carb with 0004 pistoleer and the carb attachments would still be in effect right?

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monkeylips1 wrote:
I could actually still use my carb with 0004 pistoleer and the carb attachments would still be in effect right?

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yes, r00t at 50m FTW!!!!

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MastemaBrother1 wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

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aekeem wrote:

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SITHDUKE wrote:

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nexiuz wrote:

/thumbsup @ threadstarter

thanks for listening

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Ok so you design your templates to counter Jedi templates and expect Jedi to do the same? Let me put it this way. If your MCM sucked against Bounty Hunters in a BHer ranking system what would you do?

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i don't get why more jedi don't get forcesap, its action and mind regen debuff with only 0040 for the improved sap and would be extremely effective against both bhs and other jedi.

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because its a terrible debuff and not worth the skillpoints

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What do you mean by terrible? short duration ? heavy force/mind cost? non-sticking?

cuz -30% on action/regen doesnt look terrible to me.

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ya we all must be missing something, i look at it and i see 2 debuffs applied with one move, what is so terrible about it? maybe if more jedi invested skill points in this instead of cloak they'd actually be able to rip people 1v1, and they wouldn't need to get novice powers. i think this guy just hasn't thought about it at all and just decided that since its not fotm, then it must suck.

Lazurus, I'm MBH/MCM and last over an hour with many MDef/MLS marks -- When I'm not bugged by the no KD recover while KD.

Thyroid rupture is a must to stay on the offensive. I use that and electrolyte drain. Whoever said it about watching their mind hit it straight on. Why use traumatize if you don't need to?

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aekeem wrote:

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MastemaBrother1 wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

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aekeem wrote:

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SITHDUKE wrote:

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nexiuz wrote:

/thumbsup @ threadstarter

thanks for listening

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Ok so you design your templates to counter Jedi templates and expect Jedi to do the same? Let me put it this way. If your MCM sucked against Bounty Hunters in a BHer ranking system what would you do?

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i don't get why more jedi don't get forcesap, its action and mind regen debuff with only 0040 for the improved sap and would be extremely effective against both bhs and other jedi.

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because its a terrible debuff and not worth the skillpoints

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What do you mean by terrible? short duration ? heavy force/mind cost? non-sticking?

cuz -30% on action/regen doesnt look terrible to me.

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ya we all must be missing something, i look at it and i see 2 debuffs applied with one move, what is so terrible about it? maybe if more jedi invested skill points in this instead of cloak they'd actually be able to rip people 1v1, and they wouldn't need to get novice powers. i think this guy just hasn't thought about it at all and just decided that since its not fotm, then it must suck.

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Immediatly after the CU it was a great debuff, unfortunately it was too good of a debuff and was heavily nerfed. I can't give numbers as I havent tested it, I only had it right after the CU, however I have several friends who used it to great effect immediately after the CU, then were getting ripped apart after the nerf.


lol at the comment though, cloak is terrible in 1v1 pvp, and who gets novice powers?

I think you need to look at my CM posts before just ripping into someone who does know what hes talking about.

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MrGouda wrote:

Lazurus, I'm MBH/MCM and last over an hour with many MDef/MLS marks -- When I'm not bugged by the no KD recover while KD.

Thyroid rupture is a must to stay on the offensive. I use that and electrolyte drain. Whoever said it about watching their mind hit it straight on. Why use traumatize if you don't need to?

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Last over an hour? I'm also MBH/MCM and my fights generally don't last over 10 minutes while using Traumatize. The key is to restrict their mind while laying on DOTs and damaging specials forcing them to heal. This will quickly eat up their mind. On top of this throw some kiting on top to force them to spam Saber Throw and watch their action deplete with a Hemorrhage. God help any Jedi who's foolish enough to take a Neutron Pixie on top of that Traumatize - have had a couple do this and their mind regeneration nearly HALTED.

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Heorot wrote:

Immediatly after the CU it was a great debuff, unfortunately it was too good of a debuff and was heavily nerfed. I can't give numbers as I havent tested it, I only had it right after the CU, however I have several friends who used it to great effect immediately after the CU, then were getting ripped apart after the nerf.

lol at the comment though, cloak is terrible in 1v1 pvp, and who gets novice powers?

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so you're not sure whether the stated 30% is correct or not? the 50% reduction from traumatize is quite noticeable i would figure 30% would be pretty noticeable as well. i guess if its less than that itmight notbe worth it, but you can't just say "oh it sucks" and expect everyone to just say "oh ok, heorot said it sucks so it must suck."

you need novice powers for cloak hence the novice powers.....

Message Edited by aekeem on 08-03-2005 02:04 AM

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aekeem wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

Immediatly after the CU it was a great debuff, unfortunately it was too good of a debuff and was heavily nerfed. I can't give numbers as I havent tested it, I only had it right after the CU, however I have several friends who used it to great effect immediately after the CU, then were getting ripped apart after the nerf.

lol at the comment though, cloak is terrible in 1v1 pvp, and who gets novice powers?

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so you're not sure whether the stated 30% is correct or not? the 50% reduction from traumatize is quite noticeable i would figure 30% would be pretty noticeable as well. i guess if its less than that itmight notbe worth it, but you can't just say "oh it sucks" and expect everyone to just say "oh ok, heorot said it sucks so it must suck."

you need novice powers for cloak hence the novice powers.....

edit: ok i searched the jedi forums and came up with this post, doesn't sound like a bad use of 20 skill points to me(assuming you already have novice healer which nearly all jedi have, 28 if you don't):

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1115140#M1115140

Message Edited by aekeem on 08-03-2005 02:04 AM

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MastemaBrother1 wrote:

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aekeem wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

Immediatly after the CU it was a great debuff, unfortunately it was too good of a debuff and was heavily nerfed. I can't give numbers as I havent tested it, I only had it right after the CU, however I have several friends who used it to great effect immediately after the CU, then were getting ripped apart after the nerf.

lol at the comment though, cloak is terrible in 1v1 pvp, and who gets novice powers?

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so you're not sure whether the stated 30% is correct or not? the 50% reduction from traumatize is quite noticeable i would figure 30% would be pretty noticeable as well. i guess if its less than that it might not be worth it, but you can't just say "oh it sucks" and expect everyone to just say "oh ok, heorot said it sucks so it must suck."

you need novice powers for cloak hence the novice powers.....

edit: ok i searched the jedi forums and came up with this post, doesn't sound like a bad use of 20 skill points to me(assuming you already have novice healer which nearly all jedi have, 28 if you don't):

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1115140#M1115140

Message Edited by aekeem on 08-03-2005 02:04 AM

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Thanks for the research, this comment on force sap is way better than ''nah, it sucks''

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/shrug. You can either analyze it in the 5 second way or the 5minute way.

My quick summary is it sucks. The long summary would be more an analysis that foods more than overcome it and its a lot of skillpoints you need elsewhere.

The summary is still the same, sap sucks and very few Jedi have it because it does suck.


On the other hand, just because sap got nerfed doesn't mean that Thyroid Rupture or CM debuffs need to be nerfed down to Sap level.

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Heorot wrote:

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MastemaBrother1 wrote:

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aekeem wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

Immediatly after the CU it was a great debuff, unfortunately it was too good of a debuff and was heavily nerfed. I can't give numbers as I havent tested it, I only had it right after the CU, however I have several friends who used it to great effect immediately after the CU, then were getting ripped apart after the nerf.

lol at the comment though, cloak is terrible in 1v1 pvp, and who gets novice powers?

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so you're not sure whether the stated 30% is correct or not? the 50% reduction from traumatize is quite noticeable i would figure 30% would be pretty noticeable as well. i guess if its less than that it might not be worth it, but you can't just say "oh it sucks" and expect everyone to just say "oh ok, heorot said it sucks so it must suck."

you need novice powers for cloak hence the novice powers.....

edit: ok i searched the jedi forums and came up with this post, doesn't sound like a bad use of 20 skill points to me(assuming you already have novice healer which nearly all jedi have, 28 if you don't):

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1115140#M1115140

Message Edited by aekeem on 08-03-2005 02:04 AM

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Thanks for the research, this comment on force sap is way better than ''nah, it sucks''

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/shrug. You can either analyze it in the 5 second way or the 5minute way.

My quick summary is it sucks. The long summary would be more an analysis that foods more than overcome it and its a lot of skillpoints you need elsewhere.

The summary is still the same, sap sucks and very few Jedi have it because it does suck.


On the other hand, just because sap got nerfed doesn't mean that Thyroid Rupture or CM debuffs need to be nerfed down to Sap level.

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Heorot wrote:
My quick summary is it sucks. The long summary would be more an analysis that foods more than overcome it and its a lot of skillpoints you need elsewhere.

The summary is still the same, sap sucks and very few Jedi have it because it does suck.

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i disagree, you could say that foods more than overcome it, but if your opponent takes those foods then you applying this debuff just cancels out like half your opponent's stomach filling. just because it used to be a 60-70% debuff that lasted for 5 minutes which is ridiculous, that's even better than the cm debuffs that we have to apply one at a time, and it got brought down to a reasonable level doesn't mean its now worthless.