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Thread: Spider Venom will either be really good for you guys or end up being really bad.

DoctorGriggs
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:06 am
#14



RhenGordon wrote:


DoctorGriggs wrote:


RhenGordon wrote:
I have to call bull^&%* on that one.
I have seen Daymeeuhn come to these boards and spout all kinds of nonsense. Just read some of his past posts if you don't believe me. Oh and then look at who is agreeing with him on this post, most of them are members of his own PA.
This might be coming, but I seriously doubt it.





I assure you, spider venom IS coming and it HAS made it into people's hands on the live servers. I have seen it myself. The spider venom actually looks like the old fishak suprise graphic.

OK but can it be used to create such poisons, and if it can, are those the stats that you have seen? I have no doubt there might be a drop called spider venom, what I am doubting is that you are going to be able to build a 900 effeciveness area disease out of it. ESPECIALLY when you consider that a disease is almost always less effective than a poison.

Then of course there is the question of Daymeeuhn's credibility.

I am sure our CM correspondent or some of the past correspondents would be able to confirm this. Texxie, what do you know about spider venom and making poisons? Is this something that is coming? Or is this an elaborate ruse by someone with a history?







Oh yeah it can. I know 4 people on my server with these venoms. I won't touch them now since they are not supposed to be in game, but the day that cave goes live I will craft some and put up screenshots on here.



Griggs - Undead Priest
Co-Leader of the Unholy Legion - Kalecgos

jkray8472
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:17 am
#15

What does Spider Venom Replace? The infection amplifier?

If so, you could combine Spider Venom with Rancor Bile. Get a 5-600 effectiveness poison with 200 charges. Be the nightmare of your server.

Kiarda Kismet
Gorath



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DoctorGriggs
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:22 am
#16



jkray8472 wrote:
What does Spider Venom Replace? The infection amplifier?

If so, you could combine Spider Venom with Rancor Bile. Get a 5-600 effectiveness poison with 200 charges. Be the nightmare of your server.

Kiarda Kismet
Gorath




It replaces an infection amplifier. And as cool as charges from rancor bile would be, I been experimenting with range and the rancor biles KILL the range on poisons/diseases

Either way, I am going to have some diseases and poisons on Gorath that will be just wrong lol



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jkray8472
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:32 am
#17

I know the Rancor Bile kills the range...however you could probably jack extra points (since I now have 12 points) into the range, and still have a really powerful efectiveness.

Besides, you were the one who told me "who cares about range. I'm all about the effectiveness."

/shrug Your call. I finally bought 55k of that awesome Yavin Fiberplast, so I now have the best CM resources that have ever spawned on the server. I can make your Venom stuff for you. Just let me know.

Edit-- or I could loan you my suit and a few crated adv components. your call.

Kiarda

Message Edited by jkray8472 on 02-23-2004 09:33 AM



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Xytroncore
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:35 am
#18

This is from the stuff that drops from the Acklay right? LMAO...yes, let's nerf a class based on loot drops that will be rarer then krayt tissue and a hell of a lot harder to get....seriously, if morons think that is warrent to nerf the class then they should nerf krayt weapons too...



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DoctorGriggs
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:36 am
#19



jkray8472 wrote:
I know the Rancor Bile kills the range...however you could probably jack extra points (since I now have 12 points) into the range, and still have a really powerful efectiveness.

Besides, you were the one who told me "who cares about range. I'm all about the effectiveness."

/shrug Your call. I finally bought 55k of that awesome Yavin Fiberplast, so I now have the best CM resources that have ever spawned on the server. I can make your Venom stuff for you. Just let me know.

Edit-- or I could loan you my suit and a few crated adv components. your call.

Kiarda

Message Edited by jkray8472 on 02-23-2004 09:33 AM





I used to be all about effectiveness, but I find I like hitting that range cap now Makes things a LOT more interesting. It is a tough call though. 200 charges of something so nice could be really cool



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Co-Leader of the Unholy Legion - Kalecgos

jkray8472
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:48 am
#20

2 things: 1) They already did nerf Krayt weapons.

2) Griggs, we'll have to get our hands on a few of these and play...see about the max effectiveness, what happens if you max the range out with rancor bile etc.

BTW, I don't know if anyone cares, but I have +67 CM effectiveness tapes and +24 CM use tapes, and I have prepared quantitative tests that will prove conclusive whether:

A) CM use tapes work
B) CM effect tapes work
C) If there really is a +25 cap (i.e. 125 eff at master)

I will post the results, along with my methods onto this forum for the rest of the CMs to peruse.

Kiarda Kismet
Gorath



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TormOrvax
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:54 am
#21

I'm a leader of the creator of this thread's PA. He is telling the truth, and I don't want to see CM nerfed, but this stuff is simply put, amazing. It is really off the charts. I don't know why someone would want to argue with his pictures. I am a CM in the game myself and this stuff isn't going to be THAT hard to come by. It is most definitely not like Krayt tissue trust me.



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TsunamiKata
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:56 am
#22

I think there still need to be fine tuning on the rate of that spider venom drop. Currently I know for a fact that the spider will drop either fan or venom, everytime. I think the developers need to tweak that so those drops are either rare or very rare, elsewise, you'll see some very, very nasty poison/diseases fling around on the battlefield.


I hope you saved your extra skill points for doctor, because you'll need it to cure that poison and disease.





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DoctorGriggs
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:59 am
#23



TsunamiKata wrote:
I think there still need to be fine tuning on the rate of that spider venom drop. Currently I know for a fact that the spider will drop either fan or venom, everytime. I think the developers need to tweak that so those drops are either rare or very rare, elsewise, you'll see some very, very nasty poison/diseases fling around on the battlefield.
I hope you saved your extra skill points for doctor, because you'll need it to cure that poison and disease.





LOL that would be an understatement Did you ever put that nightsister AIA poison you made to use? I am curious as to how many people sent you nasty tells after that



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IdeJder
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:59 am
#24

Spider has about a 90% droprate.



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TsunamiKata
Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:08 am
#25






DoctorGriggs wrote:

LOL that would be an understatement Did you ever put that nightsister AIA poison you made to use? I am curious as to how many people sent you nasty tells after that




Yes I did. I found out that the poison was much less effective than the disease was simply because a master doctor can cure up to 1200 tick of poison with high quality cure poison Cs and a +25 wound treatment shirt or clothing.


The disease however on the other hand has decimated many opponent during the guildwar which I was involved in since it required 3-4 application of cure disease to remove.


Again, currently the drop rate is simply mind boggling. I think it very conceivable that this will be changed or fixed.


I've seen as high as 370 power on those venoms which has equated to 450-500 base effectiveness single diseases. That's about 1000 tick mind wound. Very unpleasant.







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vortexala
Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:20 am
#26



Xytroncore wrote:
This is from the stuff that drops from the Acklay right? LMAO...yes, let's nerf a class based on loot drops that will be rarer then krayt tissue and a hell of a lot harder to get....seriously, if morons think that is warrent to nerf the class then they should nerf krayt weapons too...





Actually, the rate of the drop IS too high. It isn't a reason to nerf CM though, but it IS a reason to nerf the drop rate

Acklay respawn, from what I've heard, is somewhere along the lines of 20 minutes. So it can be camped endlessly and looted via macro...



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