Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Petition To Give MCMs Improved Bacta Shot (NEW INFECT PROPOSAL ADDED)
Drythax
Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:28 pm
#14
I don't think we need improved bacta shot, doctors are supposed to be better healers than us. We should have +25 healing efficiency at master though instead of 15. Maybe 4000 should only get 40 healing efficiency instead of 50 and give us the extra 10 at master. I think its more important that we get a drag skill as well as an improvement or replacement to infect. They could give us a little more defense too, maybe 15 more melee possibly for 75 of each. It would make sense since we have to get close to everything to use our debuffs.
gunner4life
Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:01 am
#15
/sign
alternatively if they made bacta toss / bacta spray enhancers auto pull from inventory i would be even happier since that would solve our targeting issues .
Eskie
Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:23 am
#16
a) petitions dont work
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
mmaness
Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:26 am
#17
Eskie wrote:
a) petitions dont work
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
Thanks for your vote of confidence 
Tally so far:
6 - for improved Bacta Shot
1 - against Improved Bacta Shot
1 - drag and better infect
2 - get rid of toss animation
1 - wait til it comes live
Brainplay
Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:54 am
#19
Eskie wrote:
a) petitions dont work
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
Actually Bacta JAB was the iconic Doc ability but until recently shot had been hitting for alot more. Still though, thats 2 single target heals and a serious heal over time. In addition with the high efficiency, bacta toss while not as powerful as shot is still viable for them as a 35m ranged heal but only costs 5 points extra.
Improved bacta shot isn't that much to ask and doesn't diminish in any way Doctors healing abilities. Infusion by itself is worth its weight in gold.
mmaness
Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:08 am
#20
Brainplay wrote:
Eskie wrote:
a) petitions dont work
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
Actually Bacta JAB was the iconic Doc ability but until recently shot had been hitting for alot more. Still though, thats 2 single target heals and a serious heal over time. In addition with the high efficiency, bacta toss while not as powerful as shot is still viable for them as a 35m ranged heal but only costs 5 points extra.
Improved bacta shot isn't that much to ask and doesn't diminish in any way Doctors healing abilities. Infusion by itself is worth its weight in gold.
I must agree, Docs get 2 abilities, bacta jab and bacta infusions, which aren't even in the medic tree! Combat Medics' two iconic abilities, bacta toss and spray, aren't even CM abilities, they are really in the medic ranged healing tree! So Docs truely can toss and spray for decent heals while investing a lot less additional sp into those abilities. CMs on the otherhand have to dump in an additional 34 skills pts just to even get bacta jab! Improved Bacta Shot is not much to ask for as compared to how much healing and healing potentialDoctors have!
Message Edited by mmaness on 08-04-2005 08:09 AM
Eskie
Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:14 am
#21
mmaness wrote:
Brainplay wrote:
Eskie wrote:
a) petitions dont work
b) Bacta Shot is an iconic Doc ability (only in Doc and the Medic prereqs for Doc) - should not be in CM
c) ask for an Advanced Bacta Throw or an Advanced Bacta Spray maybe?
Actually Bacta JAB was the iconic Doc ability but until recently shot had been hitting for alot more. Still though, thats 2 single target heals and a serious heal over time. In addition with the high efficiency, bacta toss while not as powerful as shot is still viable for them as a 35m ranged heal but only costs 5 points extra.Improved bacta shot isn't that much to ask and doesn't diminish in any way Doctors healing abilities. Infusion by itself is worth its weight in gold.
I must agree, Docs get 2 abilities, bacta jab and bacta infusions, which aren't even in the medic tree! Combat Medics' two iconic abilities, bacta toss and spray, aren't even CM abilities, they are really in the medic ranged healing tree! So Docs truely can toss and spray for decent heals while investing a lot less additional sp into those abilities. CMs on the otherhand have to dump in an additional 34 skills pts just to even get bacta jab! Improved Bacta Shot is not much to ask for as compared to how much healing and healing potential Doctors have!
Message Edited by mmaness on 08-04-2005 08:09 AM
Docs cant spray and heal for decent heals since they have the basic version. Same as CMs only having the basic version of bacta shot. And CMs are not meant to be equal healers compared to doctors, CMs sacrifice some healing to get DoTs and Paralyze. Increasing CM heals without taking away DoTs and Paralyze means a CM would be overpowered compared to a doctor.
mmaness
Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:23 am
#22
Eskie wrote:
Docs cant spray and heal for decent heals since they have the basic version. Same as CMs only having the basic version of bacta shot. And CMs are not meant to be equal healers compared to doctors, CMs sacrifice some healing to get DoTs and Paralyze. Increasing CM heals without taking away DoTs and Paralyze means a CM would be overpowered compared to a doctor.
I understand that CMs aren't suppose to be better healers than docs! And these improvements won't make us overpowered.... you are missing the point! CM 4000 dabbler heal nearly as well as MCM, the Docs got their issue corrected but we did not. We aren't asking for advanced bacta shot or a basicinfusion or jab... we just want to be able to heal significatly better than CM dabblers.
Also docs can spray for decent amounts because they have lots of Healing Efficency.A CM4000 dabbler will always heal better than a Doc with basic spray and toss, but the Doc isn't healing for too much less! Plus they were able to obtain these heals for only 14 additional sp while we need 34 just to get to basic bacta jab!
Eskie
Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:03 am
#23
Then solve it like the docs and put an advanced version of a skill in the CM 4xxx line into the master box, dont take a special from the Doc 4xxx line.
Docs can get bacta spray and toss for 14 skill points, true. CMs cant get any Doc specials without becoming a Doc dabbler. But Docs also cannot get any CM weapon abilities without becoming a marksman dabbler.
Docs are single-target close-distance healing masters, CMs are ranged and area healing masters. There is no way a single-target healing skill fits into the CM master box. Stick to your iconic heals for your master boxes, which are spray and toss.
Docs can get bacta spray and toss for 14 skill points, true. CMs cant get any Doc specials without becoming a Doc dabbler. But Docs also cannot get any CM weapon abilities without becoming a marksman dabbler.
Docs are single-target close-distance healing masters, CMs are ranged and area healing masters. There is no way a single-target healing skill fits into the CM master box. Stick to your iconic heals for your master boxes, which are spray and toss.
mmaness
Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:01 am
#24
HUH, you dont need marksmans for bacta spray and toss... they're in the medic profession. Basic Bacta Jab and Infusion aren't even in the medic profession so this argument isn't valid! Sorry.
Eskie wrote:
Docs can get bacta spray and toss for 14 skill points, true. CMs cant get any Doc specials without becoming a Doc dabbler. But Docs also cannot get any CM weapon abilities without becoming a marksman dabbler.
Eskie
Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:09 am
#25
mmaness wrote:
HUH, you dont need marksmans for bacta spray and toss... they're in the medic profession. Basic Bacta Jab and Infusion aren't even in the medic profession so this argument isn't valid! Sorry.
Eskie wrote:
Docs can get bacta spray and toss for 14 skill points, true. CMs cant get any Doc specials without becoming a Doc dabbler. But Docs also cannot get any CM weapon abilities without becoming a marksman dabbler.
My point was Docs can get 1 line of CM prereqs for 14 skill points, yet the second line of CM prereqs will cost them 29 skill points.
CMs can get both Doc prereq lines for 14 skill points each, although one of those lines is of no use to CM.
You say you cant get Doc abilities without dabbling in Doc, I say Docs cannot get any of the CM weapon abilities without dabbling in Marksman. I am not talking about spray and toss, I am talking about the Marksman xxx4 line.
