Combat Medic Archive

Thread: I believe THIS settles the whole mind-healing debate once and for all

Neyland
Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:42 am
#14

I mind that a CH will be able to use meds to heal his/her pet without taking any medical skills. That's the same as allowing anyone else be able to heal themselves without medic skills, repair buildings without being an architect, not have to be master artisan to completely make a droid, or survey without being an artisan.


I support BE's being able to use the kits. But a CH would need to be a medic and use those stims, or climb to BE and use theirs.


I also support any damage done to a pool that can cause incap. or death, should have a means to be healed during combat.




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Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:18 am
#15

Ok let me see here..


So if a CH can heal a pet that is tanking doing all the work for the group and risking his/her pet so others can get the good and easy xp that is unbalanced? lol


And if a CM or Doc can heal all three HAM bars anytime that is not unbalanced?


Heck that is the worst and most greedy thing to even ask for...


ok so you use mind to heal and now you want to heal mind also as you heal that is like saying.. I WANNA BE A GOD IN THIS GAME THAT CAN'T DIE MAKE IT SO PLZZZZZ.


Give Entertainers mind heals not another healer type that would just end up to being able to keep healing him/her/itself non stop.


Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:34 am
#16

Oh Q, what have you done...


since CM now get the ability to heal their pet without taking Medic (which they all do anyway to get to BE) can Medics now please get the means to gather their own resources without taking Artisian?


and no, this does not settle the debate, since pets don't use their mindpool for anything like player do.



This is the same thing as CH and Bio eng and they have to buy them from a BE if they want to heal their pet and not take up BE themselves just like you as a medic having to take artisan to get resources or just buy them.


it's so plain and simple, does'nt matter if you want to heal your groupmate in mind or not as a CM because if any healing type class can heal all 3 HAM bars that equals a non stop heal.


So just give Entertainers a mind heal on the battlefield and stop with all the nerf cries and whines.


laters

Nohup1
Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:39 am
#17

Realness, you are very late to this discussion.
And I'm sorry, but I couldn't parse most of your post.

I think you are under the impression that medic types are being "Greedy" for asking to have the same ability that the CH has for his pets. (mind-healing).

I just heard a report on another thread of a 1900 point mind-shot. think about that for a second 1900 points of unhealable damage. No, we don't want to be unkillable gods. We would like to be able to keep our groups alive in a fight. Just like you want to keep your pet alive.

If 1900 point mind-shots are possible, why would anyone ever pick another weapon/damage type? You can imagine a future of nothing but mind-damage in PVP. Of course, this doesn't bother you, you can heal your pet's mind. (and you don't even need to take medic to do it)

So, read up on some posts, understand the issues, (entertainer getting mind-heals has already been discussed) then come back and post.
Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:46 am
#18

Man....


ok so you say something can do 1900 m ind dmg sure ok.


but no player has 1900 in mind so your heal is useless in that situation anyways thus for you need a pet to tank and thats where the mind healing for pets come in...

Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:58 am
#19

No player can do 1900 mind shot that is just not gonna happen, I can surely see a mob do sure I don't doubt at all those force sensitive mobs can do such dmg.


And don't tell me to do what I've already done. I don't care if it has been discussed or not all I'm saying is it is a good idea and they should do it.


There would be nothing you can do to a player who is a jedi doing mind dmg over your stats anyway.


don't put words in my mouth .. it doesn't bother me I can heal my pet for 3 ham bars.. well who's healing the pet, me I have to pay with my mind to use the stims for my pet as it is not healing me. Sure it won't bother me because my group can get the xp but in pvp if i have to heal my pets then I'm the one losing out on mind bar.


and you say you don't want to be unkillable gods. well thats what mind healing would bring to the CM/Doc table.


So don't say I don't understand the issue because you don't understand what the results would be if this were to happen.



Nohup1
Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:17 am
#20

You make my point very succinctly.

Glad we've got your mind-healable pets to protect us all from those mind-shots.

Doesn't pvp sound FUN? Nothing but rifles and rancors...
Nohup1
Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:26 am
#21

And another thing... If you HAD bothered to read up on all the issues, you'd know that there have been MANY suggestions made which don't result in limitless heals.

There has been a 1:1 (or worse) mind pool penalty for healing mind wounds. Think of this as a mind-transfer.

There has been a suggestion of "other-only" mind-healing, (no self-mind-heals).

There has been a suggestion of putting mind-healing into a special master-profession, that combines CM and Doctor, this would make it quite rare.

And finally, So what if medics can heal indefinitaly. That just makes them the first target in a fight. Maybe then fights would last a bit longer than they do now.
Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:06 am
#22

Well if they do take up more mind what is the point to heal with mind for mind?


that is just silly..


Like I said I rather see entertainers get any sort of battlefield mind healing over any healing type prof such as medic/cm/doc. If they make a new hybrid prof well that is something different.


The healers might be the first target in a fight but I don't see any of them standing on the frontline.


And if you noticed at all pistol seems to be the more overpowered weapon at the moment more than rifle or carbine.


Anyway I would think any smart pvper would take dmg on the opponents worst stat bar over just going for the mind bar because the other person is a healer. And even if a Rancor eats you so what it takes alot to tame a rancor because they had just fixed an issue where novice Ch'ers would have a pet like a rancor and that is totally wrong also.


So if you knew about all the issues then you wouldn't be saying rifles and rancors like the word was gonna end.


Dawouwie
Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:21 am
#23

Entertainers should have combat mind healing????? Think about what you are saying. What battles should have people dancing and playing instruments to keep people alive? Don't get me wrong, I like entertainers...but in a cantina etc. I can see it now, "oh no, I just got hit by a mind shot. Quick, someone do a moonwalk before i get killed."
Elenora
Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:36 am
#24

sure it sounds funny but so does a lot of thing...


but some1 besides the medic line should get mind healing...


and the obvious choice is the entertainers...since thats what they do...




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Saeren
Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:49 pm
#25

Dont know if anyones ever considered this but... as far as the whole mind-shot issue.. does it even make sense that a rifle or head shot etc.. only deals mind damage? It seems to me all mind damage should be secondary to actual damage (like trauma resulting from hits).


If I got hit in the head by a rifle shot, I think I would be concerned about that hole in my head as much as any longer term mind damage...


Of course this "trauma" damage would add up (and of course players using mind more would be affected much faster). Mind based attacks would do extra mind damage in addition to physical damage, so they would still be effective. If they had done something like this, we wouldnt need to worry about mind healing going down from a mind wound would not be a one shot type of this it would be more something you worry about if the battle is not a quick one. They could even make mind wounds you have affect your ability to fight....


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Elenora
Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:03 pm
#26

medics spend points to fix physical not mental damage...


hence H and A...


entertainers "sooth" the soul, hence mind...


given this thought, just take out mind damage totally...or make it go down the longer u spend time fighting...like BF...so if u are in combat for 30 mins u will go mind incap from the sheer mental strain of constant combat...




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