Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Jedi calling for CM nerfs....again....
sli-aib wrote:
I can safely say that a CM/BH with amour break res armour and a good weaponand the correct use of foods and an 'indestructible droid'will win against a jedi every time if they know what they are doing. You get a lot of so called 'leet' jedi saying that they handle MCM/BH with ease, what you got to realise is that a lot of people dont like to admit when theyget beaten and spout on about how they can kill anyone they meet! They are talking bull and they know it. The first comment says alot right there. "If they know what they are doing" If a CM/BH knows what he's doing he can beat a Jedi, yes. If a Jedi knows what he's doing he can beat a BH/CM too. The underlined part is speculation. So far its proven false in as many experiences as I've seen when they actually have the Jedi's mission. Was jedi dueling the other and low on force? Was the jedi fighting npc's or engaged in a PvP fight at the time? Did the jedi not have a food macro set up or forgot to wear his/her psg? There are soo many factors to explain who wins and who doesn't but the fact of the matter is that Jedi have the advantage in available character skills and defenses.
The minute I encounter one of these temps now and the debufs start pouring in I have stopped even bothering to fight as I know it will result in a healling war which I can never win. Thats even after using a holo. Think you may find soon that the FOTM jedi templates MLS/MDef will soon be retemplating to add an escape option into the builds, ie FR, Statis or cloke as any jedi that does not have at least one of these is easy prey to any decent BH/CM. Yes it does result in a healing war. The outcome of that fight is determined by who is doing the most damage and who is using the most MIND to heal. The CM is already at a disadvantage due to the MIND cost of the debuffs and the lack of a "heal over time" that is more efficient than a single instant heal. Jedi have the ability to outdamage a BH fairly easily. However, that is very hard to do with new Jedi thanks to SOE's removal of premium crystals and pearls. The difference in damage between a pre-CU jedi and a post CU jedi is incredible. The ways are still there but the means has been taken away maybe temporarily by the devs'. So in essence this is a Dev/Jedi issue.
Its also natural for people to gravitate towards the strongest templates This is correct. It is also the main reason for the incredibly huge influx of new Jedi and padawans in the game. In their prime they pretty much made all other templates obsolete. The only difference is that the most popular templates dont always include certain skills boxes that are very useful.
From a selfish point of view as a jedi I would love to have some kinda counter to the CM debuffs (please dont say force speed please as its crap as it stands!) but I have to make do with what I have as this isnt the case. Actually they do have counters located in the Enhancer and Healer trees although those counters are debuffs themselves and not removals. However, those trees are not on the "Popular" template list so they are often unheeded and rarely used. The debuffs are shorter duration but they have longer range and only cost action as opposed to MIND which is where the real fight is going on.
I guess the devs are really busy with the new expansion atm but I can feel a few balancing changes coming in the near future and I hope they are not nerfs, but rather boosts to certain proffs as it would make for a more diverse range of proffs. Seriously as a jedi the only temp that has hunted me in the past 4 months is the BH/CM variety and it gets a little stale. Maybe by boosting some other proffs will give the BH more choice and get rid of this boring heal wars thing! The healing wars were going on in the pre-CU days and will keep going in the post-CU days. Back then it was about doing enough damage to make the Jedi use up their force from healing, now its about making the Jedi use up their MIND from healing. Instead of debuffs it was about fire and poison DoT's.
The fact if the matter is that for every DEbuff there is a buff of similar magnitude the only exception being between thyroid and the various speed buffs. Not too mention that regular buffs are usually double or triple in duration. Not having them on yourself when a CM attacks is no excuse to complain against a profession. You actually have more cause to complain about the lack of doctors in this game.
briwi wrote:
I dont know how it is on other servers but on radiant a good suit of ris cost 25 mill,then you spend another 20 mill per adk it,so say you jist adk three peices of armor you're looking at least 85 mill for the suit without aa's or armor sliced.Lets not even mention the adk for the gun ang gun cost.So you jedi are saying for 85-100 mill you cant get a good saber to fight with.
lol I hear that! Between my armor attachments and ADKs (everythng includeing clothing 4 socket) it costedaround 500 mil.
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-09-2005 10:25 PM
Iasha wrote:
similar on bloodfin i feel x7 ADKs @ 25-30 mill = 210 mill. armor & clothing = 5 mill (no ris mind), 11 or 12 skills to hit +25 in SEAs @ 500k a point (give or take for a nice tape - sockets are limited) = 150mill. totals to 365 mill. a little more in tapes or a better suit, and a adk'd 15mill rifle adn you're on your way to 500mill
CAs? Not needed but good to have.
ADKs? Not needed but good to have.
Armor? Needed but only the head, legs, and sometimes the chest need replacing often. Arms rarely take decay unless you forget to insure them. Not to mention that armor can still be repaired. So far headhit from rifles or swords is the most common attack players and even with NPC's unless they switch to a carbine and spam legshot. And there is absolutely NO REASON you need RIS armor except for looks. NONE! My basic padded or maruader can match the stats easily. I can even hunt and collect cheap Voritor scales to match the health bonus.
Alot of the costs you peoples posts are luxury items. Oh granted I have some boots, gloves, and arms (over 4 months old, heavy use and still only needed repair once) with AA's in them but I could still function just fine without. The only really costs you can post about is Armor, some foods,and a decent weapon. Enhancers are nice to have but also can be done without. Heck you could even do without the foods or just get the cheap long lasting artisan stuff and be just fine.
Dont give me any crap about "500million credit" costs just so you can compete. 500mill? 300mill? Even 100mill? How often do you need to ebay for that?
Want cheaper stuff? Join a guild. Thats their job, to help support you.
Message Edited by Brainplay on 10-10-2005 07:52 AM
Iasha wrote:
similar on bloodfin i feel x7 ADKs @ 25-30 mill = 210 mill. armor & clothing = 5 mill (no ris mind), 11 or 12 skills to hit +25 in SEAs @ 500k a point (give or take for a nice tape - sockets are limited) = 150mill. totals to 365 mill. a little more in tapes or a better suit, and a adk'd 15mill rifle adn you're on your way to 500mill
CAs? Not needed but good to have.
for my template of M.Rifles, MCM, doc xxx4:
+50 speed give me +10% faster hits
+50 defence means i take 4% less damage
+25 Healing eff means i heal for 100pts mroe
+25 med warfare means my Dots stick 20% more
+50 accuracy means i do 4% more damage
it all adds up, especially when you're fighting pvp against the best the server has to offer.
ADKs? Not needed but good to have.
these mean my tapes don’t get wasted every times i die 20 times
at 20-30 mill a peice on a nice layered SEA’d pecie of armor you’d get your moneys worth from an ADK in a few suits time
no you don’t NEED them – you can let your repair kits disable them to 1/1 and then they work as normal if you like that sort of thing.
Armor? Needed but only the head, legs, and sometimes the chest need replacing often. Arms rarely take decay unless you forget to insure them. Not to mention that armor can still be repaired. So far headhit from rifles or swords is the most common attack players and even with NPC's unless they switch to a carbine and spam legshot. And there is absolutely NO REASON you need RIS armor except for looks. NONE! My basic padded or maruader can match the stats easily. I can even hunt and collect cheap Voritor scales to match the health bonus.
true arms, head and legs take 85% of the damage and decay. RIS has about x3 the condition of other armor – without ADKs this helps alot. and the resists are exactly the same – ask an armorsmith. voritor scales will never reproduce a +350 health suit +150 if youre very lucky trust me there they have a low health cap.
Alot of the costs you peoples posts are luxury items. Oh granted I have some boots, gloves, and arms (over 4 months old, heavy use and still only needed repair once) with AA's in them but I could still function just fine without. The only really costs you can post about is Armor, some foods, and a decent weapon. Enhancers are nice to have but also can be done without. Heck you could even do without the foods or just get the cheap long lasting artisan stuff and be just fine.
dude how often do you play? i’m not dying overly often and i go through condtion very quickly. don’t beleive it. i see people come to my AS every 3 weeks for a whole new suit as their last one decayed arms and all.
enhancers – same as at top +500 to heals, +50-100 to DOTS, +20% to duration. if you want to fight high end you have to have all you can to do it. thats what this is about – high end one slip is final.
Dont give me any crap about "500million credit" costs just so you can compete. 500mill? 300mill? Even 100mill? How often do you need to ebay for that?
i did it the cheap way too. i grind armorsmith with ym first ever toon make my own suits. with the profits of grinding AS i buy cheap SEAs at the very low end of the market not the 10mill ones – you can still make a 200mill worth of SEAs that way justina smaller clever way. and 7ADKs was not difficultto afford 2 months back more like 4mill each not 30mill! its worth 500mill in real prices i spent a little on harvesters – for my resources to make my own suit, sold beginner suits to raise 30mill for my 7 adks and bought SEA at a max cost of 200k each. no ebay, no insults, just resourcfullness. now my suit is fully ADK’d, SEA capped for rifleman, doc, pistols & combat medic, KD, poison & fire resistant, 7800 energy layered and i spent little more than 40mill. (mostly on adks and harvestors)
Want cheaper stuff? Join a guild. Thats their job, to help support you.
lol, good point, thats how 40% of us in my 80+ people guild have capped layered ADK’d suits with +25 capped SEAs and the rest are still grinding – who get all their armor and weapons supplied free.
it all comes down to what level you play at. me & my guild are aiming at high end PVP, you may prefer roleplaying on endor for all i know. no you dont need it but it helps immensly in the right places
Message Edited by Iasha on 10-10-2005 06:52 AM
Brainplay wrote:
Dont give me any crap about "500million credit" costs just so you can compete. 500mill? 300mill? Even 100mill? How often do you need to ebay for that?