Combat Medic Archive
Thread: I'm a CM and I don't like my own opinion of CM.
I'll tell you from experience if you're a bh now fighting someone in full armor and buffed with brandy, and you are unbuffed and don't have novice medic, there's a very good chance you'll run out of ham before you can kill someone lol. I've done this many times I'll do confusion shot then fireknockdown then spam eye shot and get his mind down to like 200 or something then I run out of ham he's still laying there and I /endduel LOL. I can't tell if this guy is saying he was buffed or not, but it's pretty tough if you're a bh w/o medic or buff to go against armor and buffs. I can only imagine not being buffed w/o medic and having some poison on you hehe.
This is with a good stun pistol. Seeing I spent my skill points on carbine instead of pistol for the moment.
Propolis wrote:
I "discovered" Vasarian Brandy this week. All I can say is that now I feel unstoppable, and if I feel unstoppable, then I feel the class must be too powerful.
Other professions have access to brandy as well so your problem seems to be a GCW or loosely a Chef issue.
What makes me unstoppable? After drinking two Brandy's, I took out a 0444 bounty hunter twice in a row. The first time I hit him before he knocked me down. The second time I had him knock me down before I attacked back. Both times I won.
Any profession that deals damage and gulps down2 brandies, is buffed and armored to the hilt can take out a BH. It sounds to me like that BH didn't have a clue as to how to keep you down. I'd like to see how well you do vs a Doc/Rifleman, CM/Rifleman, TKM Rifleman, Master Brawler/MasterHS, Master Brawler/TKM, TKM/MCarb, CM/Carb, MSmug/TKM/MPist....
How exactly do you counter extreme mind damage? How exactly do you counter delays of 10-20 sec? Trust me, if you fight a competent player you will get your ass handed to you. Even Jar Jar could climb the tree up to Master BH.
Understand, I'm beatingthis BH without buffing myself first. Also, I am using toxins without any special stuffs like spider venom - my poison is 330 eff.
That is one hell of an incompetent BH.
Most nerf cries are 1 CM vs. Many opponents... Right now I feel that CM is the most powerful attack class (I am not including jedi as I know nothing about them). They are the most powerful attack class because:
- The offensive power of a CM is HUGE. It is huge for 1vs1 and it is staggering on a 1vs many scale.
The offensive power is also very slow DPS wise and leaves us vulnerable and immobile for 4 seconds
- The defensive power of a CM can be as high as anyone - with today's foods you can make yourself immune to knockdown, and dizzy doesn't seem to hurt me when I'm standing.
Anyone has access to these foods. If you are going to base a nerf on food that can be acquired in game by anyone then you need to take that issue to the Chef Forum.
- The Recovery abilities of a CM can't be matched. One stim and not only have I completely cured myself, but I've cured everyone in a huge radius.
You haven't cured their mind damage, their wounds, their status effects....You are only able to cure Action and Health damage on a large scale basis. Anyone who PVPs alot knows well that status effects can help determine whether or not one will win. Case in point, take dizzy for example. If a player lands a dizzy then applies a posture change you will be flat on your back for a long time until it either goes away or you can get it cured. While you are spending time trying to cure yourself the competent PVPer will chain attacks to keep you on the ground while doing damage to your mind if possible.
I don't know how many of these stack, but look at how well defended my mind pool can be...
- 84% helmet (we have an uber armorsmith on our server who sells hundreds of sliced helms, and thousands of suits of armor a month).
- 45% PSG (people underestimate PSG's - Mine never seems to take damage, I don't know why. It is 750ish out of 850ish after 2 days of fighting people and geonesians). I bought a case of PSG's a while ago. Got them all sliced, sold off the lesser slicesand kept 4-5 of the best ones. Yes, PSG's are fickle. I should keep a few on me so I can use the best one (stun stat being the most important since my armor doesn't cover that).
- Food the reduces damage by 35% (for 30 shots)
- Food that gives me a dodge bonus (22%? 35%? I don't remember)
- Food that makes me immune to knockdown (95%!!!)
Anyone has access to these items in the game. Do you want Chefs and Armorsmiths nerfed too? What's your point?
- Vasarian Brandy - it is the best thing there is in the game for a CM period, It alone makes a CM change from glass cannon to invulnerable Death Incarnate, weilder of Armaggeddon.
Mind food also makes Rifleman, TKAs etc...wielders of Armageddon
I've never been the fighting type until now - all of a sudden I feel like a veritable fortress. My only weakness in a group is if I am the only resser my group is screwed if I go down.
A competent PVPer will rip through you like swiss cheese. There are several disadvantages to CMs in PVP and you haven't even mentioned any of them.
How to balance CM? Easy, make a food that can reduce CM potency by up to 95 similar to the knockdown food. My stims potency hit 130 without experimentingmeaning I'd still hit you a third of the time.
95% is way too much. I could see 40-60% max requiring a CM made component to finish the product. Not all CMs can hit 130 potency without experimenting and with the upcoming crafting changes it will be harder still.
Armour used? Weapons used? Situational buffs used?
I'm currently a 2.4.4.4 BH on Live. There's no way I'd drop to an MCM/MD. Ever.
Kirus wrote:
If you can only throw 3 poisons before your mind is empty something is wrong.
vortexala wrote:
Armour used? Weapons used? Situational buffs used?
Armor used:
Before discovering Vasarian Brandy this past week, I wore ENC sliced composite leaving my trandoshan alt mind pools at 50ish and 150ish. PSG. My own buffs (strength 700 - yeah, I know, too lazy to make better ones and don't want to buy more).
For the duels, eff sliced armor,PSG (I didn't check which flavors it was giving me at that moment)and vasarian brandy (only buff). Nothing else. I bought the armor peice by peice - each one with19-20 eff slices - base helm is 65% with eff slice making it 84%. Body and legs are sliced to 80% and 79%.
When not duelling, Add my buffs.
Weapons used:
I'm a MD/MCM - my toxins are my weapons. I have pistol 3 in the marksman tree and I have a fast pistol that does > 1 damage to finish stuff off. I *never* use weapon specials. Some day I should get pistol 4 in the marksman tree, but have no pressing desire to do so (if I hit at all 50% of the time, that is enough).
Buffs / Situational buffs:
I have always had doc buffs at will. Occasional use of muon gold, but rarely used as I needed it 100% of the time and can't do that. The result was I simply didn't PvP or even PVE because it was suicide before (I don't mind being the group healer so long as have time to fight too- but I won't do it to be a pure AE healer/resser).
Other:
Before discovering the brandy which allowed me to bulk up my armor, I was only overt 3 times - I could lay the smack down on people, but it was ALWAYS a suicide mission (solo) or close if I happened to be the target (2 on 1 in my favor).
Since discovering the brandy, I travel everywhere Overt. I WANT rebels to try to kill me because I am confident I'm going to win or at least get one of them. If the group is 4 or more I'll die, but I can prevent them from killing another imp for a few minutes.
Before, going up against a garrison of turrets and npc defenders would be nearly instant suicide. The other night I killeda rebel guilds basegarrison while TWO large turrets were pounding on me. My mind never went below 50% (I hit muon when it got that low, and the added regen kept it up after that) and my health and action came close once, but that's because I wasn't paying attention - bam 1 stim fixed. That guild had a second base that I decided not to attack since as a trandoshan imp, faction points are not worth gaining - I had no reason to do it so I moved on.
Until this last week I've been a 98% pure crafter (made some good dough selling the toxins I didn't use). I have no idea what BH's can/can't do. I do know he was pissed he couldn't kill me while I was flat on my ass after the knockdown with dizzy.
Once I stood up (second fight that opened with the knockdown) I immediately attacked his mind pool which disabled his ability to use specials in 1.5 ticks (1.5 because it was two stacked poisons - that coupled with his own mind use was all he had). edit/add: At that point I should have healed, but attacked instead - I finally connected with my pistol right before he got me.
Whats sad is I don't even know how long a poison tick is, or even how long the reset timer before I can drop a new poison is. Reset seems appx 5 seconds, the tick seems not much longer.
Message Edited by Propolis on 03-12-2004 12:48 PM