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BT-Trajan

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:42 am

Starstrider6 wrote:

With all the horror stories of grief-players "planting" houses in anticipation of growth so they can take over the town (for whatever reason), I can't believe that using the term "community" really applies in all situations. If a group of players deliberately attempted to "steal" the town in that fashion, not only would I understand my Mayor destroying City Hall, I would be standing there cheering her on when she did it.

As I said, it would be different if all the citizens paid into the Treasury, bought their own houses, and contributed to the costs of the improvements. There is no option for "Anarchy" in running a city, so elections - and the possiblity for abuse - exists. As such, I would be more inclined to look at a situation like the OP describes on a case-by-case basis.

Well said.

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progman63

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:22 am

#28

The entire player city system is flawed.

It was a good attempt, and the next logical step in MMOG evolution, but not completely thought out or implemented.

There are no check and balances. And any political system (yes, it is a political system) will fail without equality of power.

The PTB must have the power to organize, administer and manage. And the people must have the power to counter aggressive and destructive actions against the whole.

This system does not have that. It is not fully developed.

It does not matter who placed the city, or who paid for the city.

A player city is a community - a collective effort by numerous people to reach a common goal.

Doesn't matter the game mechanics or what anyone says.

ONE person, or even a bunch of interlopers, should not have the power to destroy it.

There are no adequate checks and balances - the system fails.

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:00 pm

#29

Eagish5 wrote:
good luck in getting your city back...sad story this...

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Schadwe13

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:47 pm

#30

Just a question...Was this an attempt at a hostile takeover on you or your friends' part (or anyone's part)? I've seen this happen where someone was trying to run for mayor only so he could raid it (he had done it to another town with a different alt. It was sheer luck they found out who this guy really was). He got LOT's of people to join the city by paying off a Malitia to allow house placement in return for their newcommers' votes. Instead of letting it happen, the Mayor destroyed and relaimed everything.

So the big question is, what was the real reason? Townspeople are usually compliant to keep the owning mayor in place. Was he a problem mayor? If he was, people just move out, they don't make a hostile takeover.

I have a hard time believing that just out of no where the general populace decided to vote in a new Mayor. What are the mitigating circumstances?

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Xevious

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:35 pm

#31

Xevious wrote:

Wow, such a fuss over my old city! I was the original Mayor (Okono Ishi)... I think I know the guy you are talking about. I handed the city over to him after I moved Medalvale to Talus.

Over 90% of the city was inactive, just old accounts and houses that never was moved.

Mayor Okono Ishi

Medalvale, Talus

Message Edited by Xevious on 09-23-200512:02 PM

Schadwe13 earlier in the topic I told you why the citizens let the mayor do what he did. It was because they quit the game andtheirhouses stayed, and they counted for citizens. SOE needs to do a little house cleaning.

The only thing it did for me was keep my city in Rank 5. I gave the city over to a guildmate that wanted to get Master Politician out of it. What he did with the city was his business. He did not want some guys that did not work for it, to steal it out from under him. I applaud him.

There are some real nerfherders in this game...

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Mifo

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:02 pm

#32

wowowowowowowo i think that if someone came into my city and ran for mayor and was going to win and take over what i worked so hard to get and keep i would have done the same thing instead of letting some other mf just take it from me.....

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Ylis

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:58 pm

#33

I am slightly concerned that some people don't understand the principles of democracy here.

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Pie-Oh-Pah

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:46 am

#34

Ylis wrote:
I am slightly concerned that some people don't understand the principles of democracy here.

I would agree with you in a case where every citizen had their part in keeping the city alive - like in a perfect democracy...

But if it was the case that the mayor set no taxes for the citizens, paid for all city buildings, houses and decorations alone and did everything in their power to make the city grow and prosper without asking others for credits or anything - I think it would be avery different situation...

Message Edited by Pie-Oh-Pah on 09-30-2005 11:32 AM

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Xevious

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:25 am

#35

I support the idea of a Mayor being honest, and democracy is key here. But the cityin this specific post cannot be held to those ideals. The city was forgone and being used by a guild friend to gain xp. We were going to remove city hall anyway due to the huge amount of inactive player houses there.

Just because SOE doesn't maintain their stale accounts better we suffer for it. I cannot get New Medalvale on Talus up to a rank 5 because of stale accounts.

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FaustJG

Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:01 pm

#36

This sort of thing has a simple solution.

Require a city vote to nuke the city hall.

Kind of a no brainer to me.

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Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:51 pm

#37

RynnnDraggon wrote:

Khristen wrote:

I would recommend filing a CSR ticket ASAP. Destroying a city because they were losing an election has been considered harassment by CSRs in the past. It may be possible to restore the city if this is done quickly enough.

Although I feel sorry for the poster, I was told that if someone Builds up a city from ground up, and the Mayour has made the payments and what not, it was that Mayours right to destroy his city for any reason.

I agree with submitting a CSR ticket, but it was his city to do with as he pleased.

Just like we mayours have the right to /citybann anyone we chose to, for any reason.

I do feel for the Original Poster, but don't hold your breath to much to getting your city back. You might get the same response that someone else got, and that was that it was the mayours right to do with his/her city that they wanted. /shrug.

Good luck and hope it turns out for the better part for you and the citizens,

If this is the case, when why even allow elections? If the old mayor can disyroy the city instead of be voted out then what is the point?

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Luzenit

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:36 am

#38

I am surprised by the number of players whosupports a mayor has a right to dismantle an established city instantly.

If a mayor foots the entire bill for a city, then I would suggest he make it clear to every new citizen that he will destroy the city if he is voted out. I would have no interest in residing in such a place, but that is MHO.

If the voting system of a city and itscitizens need to be addressed, then this needs to be taken to the devs. Too many citizens end up a victim with such an action. Players who build a city should go into it knowing that the city will become a partially 'independent' entity that may go on in the furture with or without him/her. Your city is only as good as your active citizens........

I grew tired of cities and the drama that often accompanies them. There are many good cities, but have been involved with mayors that up and quit too. I live independently by Theed and I doubt I will ever rejoin a city anytime soon.

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salvestrom

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:13 pm

#39

Cities may be nurtured by mayors, and paid for by them, but they do not own them. Much like chidlren.

All mayors own is a glorified house. That's all a city hall is without the citizens supporting it. Worse, without enough citizens the game itself will destroy that glorified house. I have paid aconsiderable amount of my cities maintainance, been responsible for managing an applauded decoration layout. But believing I can simply destroy the hall at my liesure is nothing but arrogance.

I have made and supplied the housing for several people. But unless these buildings remain on my lots I no longer own them. They are gifts. The same is true of other player buildings, such as hospitals. "I gave you your house; I own you": is that what we're saying?

What I'm arguing with here is an attitude. I agree that if a mayor feels a city is a lost cause, that no-one supports their efforts - perhaps they're in the wrong place for a city: in these circumstancesa mayor might destroy a city hall. But to do so because they may be losing an election and think they have the right to do so is plain wrong (barring incidents of hostile takeovers, exploting house transferring - in which case, yes I'd probably destroy the city, rather than see that happen - but thenthe people in my guild would be on my sidelol).

If a city is active enough that it can legitamtely vote in a new mayor, then I would think it obviousthat cityis a community, not a dictatorship.

One of the things I guess where it depends on the circumstances underwhich the city was destroyed and run. But generally speaking mayors have no "right" to destroy city hall.

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