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Thread: How do you guys make money on brandy?
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Xalaten
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:08 am
#1
Ok, I just started making brandy and I'm finding out it is EXTREMELY expensive to make.
I mean you have the BSN's, the trim to make the casks, the extremely high resource count needed of gemstone, and then the resources for the actual drink. I mean, I'm paying almost 500 credits just for each duo of factory trim.
Am I doing something wrong? It's costing me almost 5000 credits for each brandy. At that rate I'd need to charge 250k per crate and that's waaay too much to double my cost.
What am I doing wrong? Are my suppliers ripping me off? Is 2000 per BSN way too high?
Any advice would be very helpful.
I mean you have the BSN's, the trim to make the casks, the extremely high resource count needed of gemstone, and then the resources for the actual drink. I mean, I'm paying almost 500 credits just for each duo of factory trim.
Am I doing something wrong? It's costing me almost 5000 credits for each brandy. At that rate I'd need to charge 250k per crate and that's waaay too much to double my cost.
What am I doing wrong? Are my suppliers ripping me off? Is 2000 per BSN way too high?
Any advice would be very helpful.
Battery
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:41 am
#2
2000/bsn is a rip off, thats a high price for an INN. 1300-1600 seems to be about the range for most servers if you're buying 84+
Some ways you can cut your cost are
harvest your own meat and flora and get a BE to make you a schem ( not a fan of this one but ... )
buy inert petro and fiberplast in bulk and get a tailor to make you trim schems
You shouldn't be paying more then 1-1.5 cpu for the crystalline gem stone. If you are find someone else 
If you're a new chef you may not be able to get 2x cost on the things you make. Buying everything that goes into making any food will make it almost impossible to make 2x, and if some of it is out of shift then you'll just have to make due untill a good shift comes.
Evate
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:45 am
#3
Are you paying 500 cpu for only two indentical factory trims? It takes a total of 20 fiberplast and 5 inert petrochemical to make each trim. So you should find a tailor that charges accordingly. Even if a tailor charges 5 cpu for resources the total for a full run of 1000 trim would only cost 125K.
What galaxy are you on?
Evate (Naritus)
Numen
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:47 am
#4
First, if you have the skill points available(11) get Formal Wear 1 in Tailor to make your own trim.
When I did buy it I paid no more than 4k a crate. That comes out to 7-8cpu for crap resources I think.
You don't mention what you pay for additives so I'll just take a guess at 50k a crate.
Each crate of brandy takes
1 crate of Tissues
2 crates of trim
525 Berries
525 Fruit
2 crates of alcohol so 500 wheat
3750 Gemstone
375 Water
At 3 cpu for junk resources and 10cpu for good resources the cost is
50k
8k
10.5k
1.5k
12k
1k
Total is 83k per crate.
I sell mine at 200k a crate. I know others are cheaper, but I'm not out to corner the brandy market. 100% profit should be acceptable for any chef. If you make your own trim you get more profit from your tailor skills. If you make your own tissues you get more profit from your BE skills and if you mine your own resources you make more profit by mining.
At 130k a crate it would be about 50k profit per crate. 2 Million on a full run of brandy. To me that doesn't look to bad.
Tarostar
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:50 am
#5
Xalaten wrote:
Ok, I just started making brandy and I'm finding out it is EXTREMELY expensive to make.
I mean you have the BSN's, the trim to make the casks, the extremely high resource count needed of gemstone, and then the resources for the actual drink. I mean, I'm paying almost 500 credits just for each duo of factory trim.
Am I doing something wrong? It's costing me almost 5000 credits for each brandy. At that rate I'd need to charge 250k per crate and that's waaay too much to double my cost.
What am I doing wrong? Are my suppliers ripping me off? Is 2000 per BSN way too high?
Any advice would be very helpful.
First I would grind out novice tailor and the first formal wear bar. This will allow you to make your own trim schematics and you can factory them yourself. Next, find a good BE and become their best friend.. My BE is the queen of my world.. You shouldn't pay more than 40k per crate of 25 BSN's (1600 per BSN).
MINE YOUR OWN RESOURCES. This will save you lots of cash in the long run. Find your guild architect and work out a deal for the harvs. Get on swgcraft.com and find some good flora resources. Once you do, jump on em even if you don't need them immediately. As for crystal, most people only mine uber crystal gemstone for weaponsmiths. This stuff is too expensive just for casks. They hold just as much liquid if made with crap gemstone.. Either buy the cheap stuff or mine it yourself.
Finally, make sure you are crafting in a player city that is a Reseach Center and use a good crafting station. (40%+) This will help your final product stats and your brandy will sell better if you have to charge a higher price.
All this factored in, I charge 125k per crate of 25 Brandy at +412/36m/46f/21u. I still have a 50% profit margin coming off of that as well and my customers appreciate how cheap my brandy is.
Good luck!
Madeco
Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:59 am
#6
Your two best options are make some really good BE/Tailor friends or join a guild. Grouping up is the best way to solve these problems.
I have a good in-game friend who is a tailor and is willing to make trim schematics for me free of charge. I repay this by floating them a crate of medical or melee def tissues now and then. Assuming I buy the materials for a crate oftrim instead of harvesting them myself I'll pay about 50 cpu. My guild keeps two wearable factories down for me and our armorsmith soI just grab some facotry time when I need it.
The BE additives are tougher. Resource requirements are much harder to come by and more expensive then a little random fiberplast and inert chem. I personally solve the problem by being a BE myself. This does requires me to work with hunters toaquire the meat needed and do alot of harvesting for high quality flora/wood. On the other hand what it does to my profit margin is a beautiful thing. If this is not a route you want to take then a guildmate BE would likely work with you to keep your overhead down if you help them in some way with foods, bringing in raw materials, etc. Or try the same with a BE friend to offset the cost of the additive by barter of services or goods.
As far as getting the raw materials, harvest yourself if at all possible. Buying everything is easier but you have to expect your costs to reflect the legworksomeone else is doing for you. Grouping up is again perfered. For example I, an architect, and a weaponsmith in our guild have a co-operative to mass harvest materials we respectively need. I dropped harvesters for him to collect a uber steel spawn and then he did the same for me to amass a few million gemstone last week. Before that we were on iron for the WS. About all I buy nowadays is meat and the occasional grind quality resource for a componet that I've run out of.
I sell my brandy for 200K per crate and would estimate that I spend no more than 30K plus or minus 5K per crate in manufacturing it. Thelargest partof that being the cost of the meat for the BE additives. But I do have alot of skill points and time invested in it.
I hope that helpsand is somehowapplicable to your situation.
Ankor
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:51 am
#7
1) you're being overcharged on BSNs, and if you can, cooking your own (through a BE friend or purchasing schems) is a good way to cut costs on these.
2) you're being overcharged on trim, over double what I pay.
3) you didnt say what you're pay for gems, but it shouldn't be more than 4 cpu (it should really be 2-3).
4) you should be harvesting your own fruits/berries, if you aren't.
2) you're being overcharged on trim, over double what I pay.
3) you didnt say what you're pay for gems, but it shouldn't be more than 4 cpu (it should really be 2-3).
4) you should be harvesting your own fruits/berries, if you aren't.
Smerdy
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:54 am
#8
That trim price is unbelieveable! My alt is a master chef/master tailor and I charge 3K per crate for trim, synthetic cloth, or any other tailoring components. If someone comes and wants a schematic, and I like them, I will do it free...there's nothing to it.
What you need to do is dump the tailor, mine a lot of gemstone, and if you don't have good berries or fruit -- and none are in shift -- try buying some. You should still make some money.
Smerdyakov/Alyosha
What you need to do is dump the tailor, mine a lot of gemstone, and if you don't have good berries or fruit -- and none are in shift -- try buying some. You should still make some money.
Smerdyakov/Alyosha
PurpleWarrior
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:57 am
#9
I pay 100cpu for trim, and know 3 suppliers at that price. If I ever have to pay more, then our chef will grind a box of Tailor and make her own.
I sell my BSN +84 (good enough for decent brandy) at around 27K/crate. (I used to charge more but a friend quit BE and I no longer had to avoid undercutting him)
We buy gemstone (if I haven't harvied it) at 3cpu, Water at 2.5cpu, Flora at 4cpu (current spawn, always grab at least 500K of anything decent).
At those prices you can sell at 100K a crate and double your money
Xalaten
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:50 am
#10
I'm on Ahazi, everything seems expensive here.
About this schematic thing, are you telling me that even if I don't have a shred of tailor, with a schematic and a factory I can make my own trim?
I honestly didn't know that.
What do they usually charge for schematics?
About this schematic thing, are you telling me that even if I don't have a shred of tailor, with a schematic and a factory I can make my own trim?
I honestly didn't know that.
What do they usually charge for schematics?
Xalaten
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:57 am
#11
My biggest problem is I only have one account (only want one account) and no fs slot. Thus, my combat character IS my Master Chef. I am master chef, master swords, some medic, some scout.
Will BE's generally give you a major discount if, since I have the best pve class in game, I harvest a bunch of good meet for him at no charge?
I have tried mining my own resources but very low surveying, it takes me hours sometimes just to find a good spawn. Either that or the spawn is already covered with harvesters. Being on Ahazi is tough. It's one of the most populated servers and also due to the early duping around release, the market is flooded with credits.
Will BE's generally give you a major discount if, since I have the best pve class in game, I harvest a bunch of good meet for him at no charge?
I have tried mining my own resources but very low surveying, it takes me hours sometimes just to find a good spawn. Either that or the spawn is already covered with harvesters. Being on Ahazi is tough. It's one of the most populated servers and also due to the early duping around release, the market is flooded with credits.
Shivash
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:58 am
#12
Now admitadly my chef is on TC so resource buying is cheaper than live but have to say I had to boggle at this post.
As chef you should be harvesting all the raw resources you need ( heck get 4/4/0/0/ artisan and make yourself some BER4's if you can't yet afford BER9/10/13's) and I'm sure you can spare the SP's for you to make your own trim too.
That leaves you just with the BSN's which can be the expensive part but even on live my BE wasn' selling stuff for anything close to that amount.
As chef you should be harvesting all the raw resources you need ( heck get 4/4/0/0/ artisan and make yourself some BER4's if you can't yet afford BER9/10/13's) and I'm sure you can spare the SP's for you to make your own trim too.
That leaves you just with the BSN's which can be the expensive part but even on live my BE wasn' selling stuff for anything close to that amount.
Ankor
Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:28 am
#13
Xalaten wrote:
My biggest problem is I only have one account (only want one account) and no fs slot. Thus, my combat character IS my Master Chef. I am master chef, master swords, some medic, some scout.
Will BE's generally give you a major discount if, since I have the best pve class in game, I harvest a bunch of good meet for him at no charge?
I have tried mining my own resources but very low surveying, it takes me hours sometimes just to find a good spawn. Either that or the spawn is already covered with harvesters. Being on Ahazi is tough. It's one of the most populated servers and also due to the early duping around release, the market is flooded with credits.
That's my exact setup and the problems you have suprise me. BEs buy meat, so you should be able to work a meat-for-tissues trade, if for some reason you can't arrange to buy schematics directly (which I highly recommend). With no survey I can't remember the last time I spent even 30 minutes hunting up a resource concentration. First, use a survey macro (/dismount;/pause.5;/survey;/pause.5;/mount). It'll get you on your way faster as you follow a concentration. Second drive around and just hit your survey macro every 500m or so until you find a concentration. They tend to go up in pretty much the same direction, so there's really no need to check every 64m (your survey range). Drive 150m and survey again... most of the time you'll find you just need to keep heading the same direction.
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