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Thread: How do you guys make money on brandy?

Higginsis
Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:18 pm
#14

Well a tailor sells 40 crates for 100k of trim in a bag. Which is very cheap, 1 bad per run of 20 casks. Then thats 75k of gemstone at 2 cpu. so 250k so far. I make my owns adds so its nothing apart from the resource costs, which for BE meat is about 30 cpu, i need 20 crates, so 10k meat. The other resoures i get myself (including the good berries and fruit) so that comes to about 2 cpu to mine them. I think it cost me like 1 million creds to get a 20 crates run done. But at 175k a crate its 2.5 mill profit. I can live with that.

The real cost saver is having BE myself, really bumps up the profits, and is alot more convientient.



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Barox
Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:42 am
#15

2000 pr BSN is a bit high. 100k - 125k for a full run of trim is a good price.

Gemstone should be bought cheap if you cant find it cheap(can be hard to find since it is usually harvested in good quality) get some harvester and do it yourself.

Harvest your own berries and fruit you need alot of it since it is used in canape aswell. If there are no good spawns buy some but not too much at a time.

Most tailors are willing to make schematics for you (thats my experience) for a small fee so you can save some more by buying a factory to that use. the resource can be bought very cheap.

Do not count on making double your cost at first selling alot goes along way. when you get established and you are making really good brandy raise your price if you want to.

This is what I did when starting out chef.



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HavSomBeer
Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:45 am
#16






PurpleWarrior wrote:


At those prices you can sell at 100K a crate and double your money






After mastering chef I was kinda burnt out, so went and made some money harvesting and selling all sorts of resources and keeping the good organics / water / gemstone to one side. After a couple of months I decided that I was refreshed enough to start looking at my chosen profession and I had a few hundred K for needed factories.


I started by buying a crate of BSN from Karli's of Bestine (I never shop anywhwere else) and a couple of crates of trim from a tailor nearby (OK, I sometimes shop there). I ended up with a crate of +380 for 46m 50 fill brandy. I split this in to single bottles and loaded it in to the bazaar on coronet. It flew off the shelves. Ok, it means that I have to go to Corolag, but if I go in the morning, load the items, there's 150k waiting for me when I get home, which is nice :-)


With the profit from that, I went back to Bestine, and bought some more trim and some more BSN. A couple of weeks of that and I was in a position to buy a complete run of BSN's for a million and a bit, two runs of trim at 4k a crate, say a million and a half in total, which will generate 40 crates of food which (even at 100k / crate) is 2 1/2 million profit.


Technically, it's not all profit, as I have the overheads of the factories and harvestors to run and the capital sunk in the harvesters, but still, it's not bad.


Once I've got a sufficient cash float, I can start buying in resources and still turn a profit (and let some other bugger take the risk of harvesting, I have no combat skills whatsoever)


Start small, run off a crate or two and sell it in singles on the bazaar of a busy city. Rinse and repeat. Invest in your business.






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Blytz1
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:04 am
#17

I sell crates (25) of+423, 46m, 49f, 21q brandy for 85k



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NancyJ
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:57 am
#18

The profession interdependancy chefs have with BE's has worked out to be really bad for both of us financially.

You guys arent stupid, you realise that the BE additives are whats cutting into your profit margins and you could make a lot more money if you take BE yourself.

So the BE/Chef combo has the biggest profit margin and can afford to undercut the solo chef, forcing the average market price down, meaning solo chefs need to pay less and less for BE additives to compete with BE/Chefs, so BE's have to cut their profits to compete with each other over a decreasing market, until both forums explode with chefs and BE's both calling each other greedy

I agree with the other posters though, you're paying WAY too much for trim. you're probably a lot more likely to find a tailor that will make you a schematic than a BE though, Tailors business is making clothes, not subcomponents, the same is not true about BE's. Subcomponents is what we do.

I wouldnt say 50k a crate is an unreasonable amount for BSNs but its definately above average, and you really need to mine your own reasources.

Paying for stuff with food is a great way to start out but its not an arrangement that will last forver, soon your BE will have more brandy than they can drink in a lifetime.
Consider offering more rare delicacies though, some foods are near impossible to find but are very useful to the out and about BE




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sciguyCO
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:06 am
#19






NancyJ wrote:
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Consider offering more rare delicacies though, some foods are near impossible to find but are very useful to the out and about BE




You know, you might find them on sale more if you mentioned what "rare delicacies" you're looking for.


Although I'm guessing you're talking about Jawa Beer andmaybe Travel biscuits. Don't you realize those are artisan foods. We chefs don't soil ourselves with such chaff.


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NancyJ
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:38 am
#20

pfft I'm telling Guru

different people need different stuff, though not many BE's need help with terrain negotiation (travel biscuits bah!)

I like my bespin port and pyollian cake they can be hard to find but jawa beer is impossible unless I ask for it specially /sob
veghash is yummy too.

Mostly when I'm out shopping I see brandy, ahrisa, synth steak, bivoli and to a lesser extent canapes - and some other stuff I cant spell lol. But mostly its just brandy.




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Meplorium
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:35 am
#21






NancyJ wrote:

So the BE/Chef combo has the biggest profit margin and can afford to undercut the solo chef, forcing the average market price down, meaning solo chefs need to pay less and less for BE additives to compete with BE/Chefs, so BE's have to cut their profits to compete with each other over a decreasing market, until both forums explode with chefs and BE's both calling each other greedy





If you can't form a good relationship with a BE or haveboth skills yourself, maybe you should take up another profession, like Doc. Buying enhance packs is easy enough to do and buffing is a solo job. Also the pricing on the chef buffs are far below that of enterianers or docs, so I don't see too much greed from either professions. I feel that those that complain about one or the other really need to do some other profession.


The real problem is that there is a lot of competition in the food market. That competition makes things very tight and very difficult to get into. Add to that the interdependancies and you have a difficult product to make. So it does make things stressful while the buff lines for Docs are very long. Those 125k per crate of brandy sales are very disheartening at times.


If you don't have the means to get cheap trim and brandy, you'll never get the cash for the skill tapes. Without the skill tapes you'll never get to the high end where brandy still goes for 200k a crate. So my advice is to first try to build a good relationship with a tailor and BE. If that doesn't work, get out of the chef market and go Doc. It is sure money and easy enough to do. While you are a Doc, save your money and get the good resources or simply mine what is good and in shift to build up your resource cache. Then get those skill tapes so you can make the high end stuff. 11 points is easy enough to get, only need +5 from the skill tapes. You may even want to concentrate on unlocking a second character with the force quests. You can then do a Chef/BE between the two characters with the resources and skill tapes needed to get into this market. Only then will you be successful at chef.


Any of the highend crafting professions are very competitive and very difficult to break into, so this isn't unique to chef. You really need to do an easier profession and make a good amount of money so you can afford the business start up costs. Chef isn't as pricey as say armorsmith, so it can be worse.





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sciguyCO
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:07 am
#22

I thought the Port and Cake weren't working for BE's yet? The port's rough since a chef either has to accept sub-par results or wait for the various Tat-specific tubers/fruits/berries to spawn in good quality . Cake's issue is...umm...{huh, I coulda swore it needed bantha butter....}. No excuse.


/note to check Cake stock tonight


Jawa beer is tricky just because it's an artisan level food (not all chefs do 44xx artisan for the 10 experimentation points) and it requires wooly hide which tends to get snatched up by the armorsmiths.


Smart chefs should always stock veghash. If scouts and rangers are bringing in more units of meat/bone/hide/milk, we'll get bigger stacks and (hopefully) lower prices.


I guess this got a little sidetracked from the original question. The big money tends to come to chefs who make a name for themselves on their planet/server. Have something for everyone, and a lot of people will come to you for something. Brandy's flashy, but everyone makes it, so price wars are a constant issue.





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NancyJ
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:39 am
#23



sciguyCO wrote:
I thought the Port and Cake weren't working for BE's yet?





I poked Kel till he fixed it




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Bliznit
Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:10 am
#24




NancyJ wrote:




sciguyCO wrote:

I thought the Port and Cake weren't working for BE's yet?



I poked Kel till he fixed it





Hmm.. Can you teach sciguyCo this trick? I've been after him for months to get /pietoss fixed...so far I have seen ZERO results


/pietoss Kriles


AFAIK Cake and Port work just fine for my BE, everytime I remove the chains and let him upstairs ask him nicely to make me a schem he raves about it.


Kriles: Cake is easy to make, I don't find it a big seller on Chilly though. I am not worried about it too much, I have enough trouble keeping stocked up of the 12-15 or so foods that do move pretty quick.


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Okin_Sin
Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:20 am
#25

I started off making 400 45min 50Fill brandy and selling it for 125k a crate, and it sold very fast at this rate. I managed to get it to around 415 45min 50fill and sold it for 150k and it sold even faster, now my brandy is at 430 for 45m30s 50Fill for 175k a crate and its hard to keep stocked. Basically you have to sell cheaper till you can get better resources and skilltapes. Make a name for yourself and always have your vendor stocked! When I was selling the 125k a crate brandy I made so so money on it, now that im up to the 175k a crate I make great profit and it actually sells faster then the cheaper stuff. There is plenty of money out there, and people are willing to spend it, its just a matter of keeping the vendors stocked with quality products. Once people know you will have quality foods and a stocked vendor they don't mind paying a bit more, cuz they get what they want and don't have to search around for it.
Aladine
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:55 am
#26

To save money I mined my own ore for the casks, with 8 heavies on a 92% spot I got over a million units inthe shift. I also didn't pay anywhere near that for trim, maybe like 30-40k for a full run of the stuff. BE tissues are a pain, as they are going for around 40k a crate for good (87) BSN's. As far as the resources for the components, mine those as well because quality doesn't matter. On a good spot the cost us way under 0.5 cpu.



On a side note, duringshifts that have nothing I can use, I drop my harvesters on something else thats good during that shift (there is bound to be something.)I then sell it for around 3/4 of the going price,so it usually flies off the vendor within a day or two. Priceskeep my resources inventory low, and helps me make at least some money from my harvesters when they aren't helping me get my resources. With 8 heavy harvesters on a good 85%+ spot of something thats selling for 5cpu can get you around 5 million a week, not including harvester costs. And I've found its more then enough to keep money inmy pocket soI can afford to make a little less off ofmy brandy when Ihave to buy my resources, and still not be pinched for cash.



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