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Thread: 12 pts- are they a nessecity?
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Greddy_Blitz
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:00 pm
#1
how good canthe stats of yourbrandy/canape/vercupti/ahrisa/steak/bivolibe if youre a 10/11 pter chef? thank you.
Higginsis
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:10 pm
#2
Not a neccesity, but they help. You can make good foods without them, but not the best. Its a fine line. Without my tapes my brandy would still be +409 for 45m, and my ahirsa +402 for 45m, so its only really important if you want to make the "best".
zerospyder25
Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:54 pm
#3
Sorry I'd have to disagree. I'm only a+11 (well 11.5), but I think having good resources can go a long way. As an example I'm producing brandy with stats of +431/ 48m30s/ 49 filling. I know there are better but not by much I don't think. Having extra points allows you to play around or put more emphasis on certain areas but its not going to put you out of business just cuz your not +12.
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Hitman_47
Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:03 pm
#4
zerospyder25 wrote:
Sorry I'd have to disagree. I'm only a+11 (well 11.5), but I think having good resources can go a long way. As an example I'm producing brandy with stats of +431/ 48m30s/ 49 filling. I know there are better but not by much I don't think. Having extra points allows you to play around or put more emphasis on certain areas but its not going to put you out of business just cuz your not +12.
not to flame. but don't you think that the 12point chefs on your server got the exact same resrouces as you?
sciguyCO
Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:32 pm
#5
non-12 point chefs can still compete, but just by the nature of the crafting system 12 point chefs are going to be offering better product. Resources are equally available to everyone (or even favoring the 12 point chefs since they've likely been around longer and could have hoards of old uber resources).
Assuming 85/115 additives for buff size numbers, each experimentation point gives you the option of adding:
+11 toBrandy buff
+2m6s toBrandy duration
+22 toCanape buff
+42s toCanape duation
+33 toVercupti buff
+25s toVercupti duration
+12 toAhrisa buff
+2m6s toAhrisa duration
+1.5% tosynthsteak reduction
+1 or 2 tosynthsteak attacks
+0.7 toBivoli buff
+50s toBivoli duration
That's assuming a great success (amazing would be a tad higher).
I believe that 11points are almost a requirement for +25, 3 use Bivoli (or godly resources and a couple of amazing successes).
Eaca
Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:38 pm
#6
12 points gives numerous levels of flexibility. Yes you can make some amazing stuff with amazing resources even at a 10point level, but a 12 point with the same stuff is still going to be a bit better. What 12 points kinda lets you get away with is making amazing stuff with only good resources (and thereby cheaper, increasing your profit margin). So yes, you may be making stuff thats as good as what a nearby 12 point chef is making, but what you don't see is he's using cheaper meat, flora, and other resources, so while you sell equivalent crates at equivalent prices, his profit margin is higher than yours.
ChefVomit
Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:11 pm
#7
Listen, I acquired a fairly huge fortune as a 10pt Chef. I cant say the same will work for you, but here is how I approached it:
- Visit other Chef vendors, especially the popular and established ones. See what they carry, what the stats are, and how much they charge.
-Find a popular vendor mall near high traffic areas. Approach the owner about setting up a vendor inside.
-If you are in a guild, enlist those suckers to go get meat for you and lend you lot spots for factories and such. If you DON'T have a guild, keep your eyes out for any Master Rangers and Master BE's on your server. Find a few, strike up a conversation and be polite and respectful. If you can find a Ranger and BE friend, you are 2 steps ahead of every other new Chef.
-GET SOME GOOD FLORA HARVESTERS. BER 10 or Higher. Start with Mediums (Automated), as they can harvest almost as fast as Heavies but cost a LOT less to operate. Step up to heavies once you have a good steady income from your vendor. Harvest almost everything with a PE and OQ over 750. Know your schematics and what resources you need and keep an eye out for them to come in shift.
Once you have done all of these, you will be ready to get out there. Plop a vendor down and fill it up. 70% of your wares should be big sellers, Brandy, canape, bivoli, ahrisa, synthsteak, etc. Sell those by the crate and partial crate. Then put up a couple of several other "fringe foods". You need to set yourself apart by offering something they dont see on every other Chef vendor. Put up Thaktillo, Blue Milk, Spiced Tea, Exo Protein Wafers, Burnout, Vercupti, and others. Since you have visited other Chefs, you know what is out there and how much it costs. Get your prices to at least 20% LESS than everyone else. Trust me, you can do this and still make a ton of cash.
-Wear your Master Chef tag everywhere, and take two crates of Brandy and Canape EVERYWHERE you go. You will get tells asking if you have "x", where x is some food. Tell them that you should be able to make it within a day or so, and to send you a holomail with an order. Just tell them that you will get back to them with pricing later that day.
-Give samples of your brandy out to people in a buff line. You want those people....they have enough cash to pay 10-15k for buffs. Make sure your name, and if possible the waypoint to your vendor, is in the food name somewhere.
-Contact local guilds with guildhalls nearby. Offer them a volume discount. I had two guild purchase more than 25 million credits worth of food off me in a two week period thanks to that tactic.
-Get in touch with RP cities and offer to cater their next event for almost nothing. Simply charge what you need to to come out even. The publicity will be amazing.
-Hang out at the most popular Dant and Dath cities or starports (varies by server). These are two of the biggest grinding grounds. Bring TONS of brandy and canape with you, and start shouting out that you have it for a discount price. Offer it for more than your vendor, but still less than the average Chef price. And always throw in a glass of Blue Milk or some other different and inexpensive food for FREE. Tell them to try it out, and email them a waypoint to your shop.
You wont have the best food.....but you can have the best food FOR THE MONEY on the server. Sure, the hardcore PvPers and elites will only want the best, as they should. They know every point counts on certain buffing foods. Dont worry about courting the elite market yet....wait for that. The 12pt Chefs on your server are usually VERY good at what they do, and if you want to court the elite food buyers, you will need the best resources and the skill tapes to match. Since you dont have that yet, dont worry about it. The best thing you can do is KNOW YOUR CUSTOMERS. 99% of all Brandy buyers just want +400 or better, 50 or less fill, and 42 minutes or better duration. With good resources you should be able to hit this mark EASILY with 10pts. If you sell it for less than every other Chef, the customers will come running.
I started with some Cash from my alt, and no SEAs. I opened a vendor 1 week after making Master. I followed the steps detailed here, and by the 5th week I had enough to buy the SEAs I needed to get to 12pts. By the 8th week I was doing at least 2mil a day in revenue off a single stupid vendor. At that point I didnt even need to advertise anymore. People talk if you run a good business.
I have since retired (at least for the moment) from the retail food industry. I needed a break from crafting 4 hours a day. But I still take special orders from a few devoted clients, and I still have plenty of money. I love being a chef. I am not saying that you will have the same experience, but I hope that you walk away from this post with some ideas how to help grow your business. Having 12pts allows me to really take my food a step higher, but it isnt necessary at all to become an incredibly profitable Chef.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the long post.
Regards,
Vomit
- Visit other Chef vendors, especially the popular and established ones. See what they carry, what the stats are, and how much they charge.
-Find a popular vendor mall near high traffic areas. Approach the owner about setting up a vendor inside.
-If you are in a guild, enlist those suckers to go get meat for you and lend you lot spots for factories and such. If you DON'T have a guild, keep your eyes out for any Master Rangers and Master BE's on your server. Find a few, strike up a conversation and be polite and respectful. If you can find a Ranger and BE friend, you are 2 steps ahead of every other new Chef.
-GET SOME GOOD FLORA HARVESTERS. BER 10 or Higher. Start with Mediums (Automated), as they can harvest almost as fast as Heavies but cost a LOT less to operate. Step up to heavies once you have a good steady income from your vendor. Harvest almost everything with a PE and OQ over 750. Know your schematics and what resources you need and keep an eye out for them to come in shift.
Once you have done all of these, you will be ready to get out there. Plop a vendor down and fill it up. 70% of your wares should be big sellers, Brandy, canape, bivoli, ahrisa, synthsteak, etc. Sell those by the crate and partial crate. Then put up a couple of several other "fringe foods". You need to set yourself apart by offering something they dont see on every other Chef vendor. Put up Thaktillo, Blue Milk, Spiced Tea, Exo Protein Wafers, Burnout, Vercupti, and others. Since you have visited other Chefs, you know what is out there and how much it costs. Get your prices to at least 20% LESS than everyone else. Trust me, you can do this and still make a ton of cash.
-Wear your Master Chef tag everywhere, and take two crates of Brandy and Canape EVERYWHERE you go. You will get tells asking if you have "x", where x is some food. Tell them that you should be able to make it within a day or so, and to send you a holomail with an order. Just tell them that you will get back to them with pricing later that day.
-Give samples of your brandy out to people in a buff line. You want those people....they have enough cash to pay 10-15k for buffs. Make sure your name, and if possible the waypoint to your vendor, is in the food name somewhere.
-Contact local guilds with guildhalls nearby. Offer them a volume discount. I had two guild purchase more than 25 million credits worth of food off me in a two week period thanks to that tactic.
-Get in touch with RP cities and offer to cater their next event for almost nothing. Simply charge what you need to to come out even. The publicity will be amazing.
-Hang out at the most popular Dant and Dath cities or starports (varies by server). These are two of the biggest grinding grounds. Bring TONS of brandy and canape with you, and start shouting out that you have it for a discount price. Offer it for more than your vendor, but still less than the average Chef price. And always throw in a glass of Blue Milk or some other different and inexpensive food for FREE. Tell them to try it out, and email them a waypoint to your shop.
You wont have the best food.....but you can have the best food FOR THE MONEY on the server. Sure, the hardcore PvPers and elites will only want the best, as they should. They know every point counts on certain buffing foods. Dont worry about courting the elite market yet....wait for that. The 12pt Chefs on your server are usually VERY good at what they do, and if you want to court the elite food buyers, you will need the best resources and the skill tapes to match. Since you dont have that yet, dont worry about it. The best thing you can do is KNOW YOUR CUSTOMERS. 99% of all Brandy buyers just want +400 or better, 50 or less fill, and 42 minutes or better duration. With good resources you should be able to hit this mark EASILY with 10pts. If you sell it for less than every other Chef, the customers will come running.
I started with some Cash from my alt, and no SEAs. I opened a vendor 1 week after making Master. I followed the steps detailed here, and by the 5th week I had enough to buy the SEAs I needed to get to 12pts. By the 8th week I was doing at least 2mil a day in revenue off a single stupid vendor. At that point I didnt even need to advertise anymore. People talk if you run a good business.
I have since retired (at least for the moment) from the retail food industry. I needed a break from crafting 4 hours a day. But I still take special orders from a few devoted clients, and I still have plenty of money. I love being a chef. I am not saying that you will have the same experience, but I hope that you walk away from this post with some ideas how to help grow your business. Having 12pts allows me to really take my food a step higher, but it isnt necessary at all to become an incredibly profitable Chef.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the long post.
Regards,
Vomit
Message Edited by ChefVomit on 09-30-2004 08:13 PM
CJSpangler
Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:57 pm
#8
very nice.... this was probably one of the most helpful and useful posts I have seen on the forums since I've played this game in the alst month--- <deep respectful bow goes here>
I just master chef tonight and have 11 pts from CAs... I am definatelty gonna take ur brandy and canape idea, maybe some ahrisa too as i find some people eat that like candy
i got 3 droids to store 30 items in total so i will probably leave the armor at my house and turn into a traveling sales prerson until I get a good footing and customer base
I like getting out of the store/crafting room and meet people in the game
Myrathi
Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:07 am
#9
ChefVomit wrote:
...I cant say the same will work for you, but here is how I approached it:...
Extremely useful (and informative) post, CV. Thanks. 
ChefVomit
Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:59 am
#10
Glad to hear it helped guys. If you run into any problems let me know. Happy to help.
And as Chefs, you are lucky to have one of the best correspondents of ANY profession. Out of the professions I have mastered, the only other correspondent that stacks up as high as the Chef is the Ranger correspondent....at least from what I have seen.
Myrathi, your player-name isnt in your sig, but I can see that you are on Starsider. So am I. Drop me an email ingame when you get a chance, my name ingame is Vomit. I have a ton of extra +15 tools, +40 or better crafting stations, resources, harvesters, food factories, etc that I would let go for almost nothing to a new Chef.
Anyway, holler at me. If I have something that you need Ill do whatever I can to get it to you.
And as Chefs, you are lucky to have one of the best correspondents of ANY profession. Out of the professions I have mastered, the only other correspondent that stacks up as high as the Chef is the Ranger correspondent....at least from what I have seen.
Myrathi, your player-name isnt in your sig, but I can see that you are on Starsider. So am I. Drop me an email ingame when you get a chance, my name ingame is Vomit. I have a ton of extra +15 tools, +40 or better crafting stations, resources, harvesters, food factories, etc that I would let go for almost nothing to a new Chef.
Anyway, holler at me. If I have something that you need Ill do whatever I can to get it to you.
Okin_Sin
Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:17 am
#11
Is 12 Point needed to be a viable chef - NO
Is 12 Pointneeded to make great money as a chef - NO
Is 12 Point needed to make the BEST foods - YES
Are the BEST foods needed to be successful - NO
The point is that you will never make as good of food as you can with 12 point, when you are 10/11. Food doesn't always have to be the best to sell though. The post above pointed out many great ways to get your business going if you are not 12 points, even if you are 12 points they are great ideas.
The number 1 thing to be successful is to KEEP YOUR VENDOR STOCKED. Most people would prefer to always go to one place to buy something, and know what they want will be there. If your prices match your product, and you have food on the shelf, you will get customers. If there is ALWAYS food on the shelf you will get repeat customers!
golfingtx
Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:26 am
#12
This is so true.....If you have a well stocked vendor, people will always come to you and throw away all other chef waypoints......Offer singles, crates of 5,10, and 25. I find that most of my sales come from the crates of 5 and 10 butsome people won't buy unless a full crate is available.My customers always buy several different things when they visit so it is in your best interest to have them run out of food and drink often and if you only offer full 25 crates theyhave noneed to return as often.
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KMad
Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:47 am
#13
golfingtx wrote:
This is so true.....If you have a well stocked vendor, people will always come to you and throw away all other chef waypoints......Offer singles, crates of 5,10, and 25. I find that most of my sales come from the crates of 5 and 10 butsome people won't buy unless a full crate is available.My customers always buy several different things when they visit so it is in your best interest to have them run out of food and drink often and if you only offer full 25 crates theyhave noneed to return as often.
i completely agree about being well-stocked. i don't advertise at all any more except for my sig on the forums, when i started out i posted some ads on the kett trade forum. the word of mouth that you get, when people know they can find what they're looking for, is *incredible*. at least once a week i geta tell from friends saying 'someone asked where to find X food in my sologroup and 3 people said your store before i even had a chance to type it'. i hate being out shopping and finding empty vendors, and i know i'm not the only one.
that's interesting tho, that most of your business is partial crates. by far most of my business is full crates of 25. i split one out to a 5 and 2 10s, and kinda watch the vendors so that when the partials do sell i split another. and when i'm at my store i tell people if they want me to split let me know. recently i said that to a new customer who said 'oh if only you'd said that 2 minutes ago' since he'd just bought a full crate of my longer duration brandy. i said no worries, i'll buy it back as long as it's in the wrapper, so we split 5 for him and i bought 20 back and put those on the vendor again. i've always done that for folks that bought things by mistake. it's no trouble at all, if i'm not there i just have them offer it to the vendor. i'm not worried that it won't sell if i buy it back, but they sure do appreciate not being stuck with something they didn't mean to buy.
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