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mrthx
Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:42 pm
#1
I cant tell you how many complaints I have recieved for pricing Bivoli Tempari at 100k a crate. My stats are 22.6 to wound and 3 charges for 15minutes.
I tell them I use Heavy BE enhances and Bivoli alone requires an insane amount of meat. I am using 900+PE 850+OQ meat in all of this and some pretty darn good veggies as well.
I just dont know what to do. The people that actually take the time to figure out how many resources it takes dont complain...they buy more. The people that dont just hassle me and give bad information to others about me. Has anyone else felt this backlash against chefs with docs on your servers?
I tell them I use Heavy BE enhances and Bivoli alone requires an insane amount of meat. I am using 900+PE 850+OQ meat in all of this and some pretty darn good veggies as well.
I just dont know what to do. The people that actually take the time to figure out how many resources it takes dont complain...they buy more. The people that dont just hassle me and give bad information to others about me. Has anyone else felt this backlash against chefs with docs on your servers?
Message Edited by mrthx on 03-03-2004 04:44 PM
Ja-van
Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:50 pm
#2
I would simply tell them I am using 55(or so forgot how much bivoli and heavy additives use) meat per bivoli. Multiply that times 25 then multiply that by how much you (the doctor) pays for meat and ask your self if I am overcharging.
I pay 50cpu for meats and if bivoli with heavy additives ONLY use 55 that is 68k in raw meat alone. I guess that is why I have not even looked at making bivoli yet.I sell BE brandy at 200k in casks, so take out the casks cost and Bivoli would be at least 150-175k percrate,. BE additives level out any price variations. Which150-175k for bivoli is WAY too high, but it has to be at least worth the effort to make.
Denoby Master assembler of flora
BristaAB
Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:51 am
#3
55 meat = approx 2 buff packs = approx 50 buffs = 50-100k credits
Docs rake in more for the meat they use than chefs
Explain to them that they are being rude and if they don't stop you will /ignore them and ban them from your shop
Swijr
Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:38 am
#4
I'm paying 75k for heavy additives and buying good meat (36k units for 550k/16cpu). I ask for 115k a crate for bivoli with the same stats and sell it with no problems at all.
Sykes
Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:45 am
#5
In general, people who complain about my prices are sent to other chefs. People who ask about my prices are explained to. People who know my products and don't look at the prices are the ones who get to the best stuff first.
People will always complain about something. Without negative, would there ever really be a positive?
Ezran
Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:52 am
#6
Sykes wrote:In general, people who complain about my prices are sent to other chefs. People who ask about my prices are explained to. People who know my products and don't look at the prices are the ones who get to the best stuff first.
People will always complain about something. Without negative, would there ever really be a positive?
This is the best way to look at it. Creates less stress.
Numen
Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:52 am
#7
I sell regular tempori for 50k. To me that was even pretty high, but its either that price or I don't offer it. The carn meat I use could be used in additives for other food so I'm not helping myself or customers that aren't docsat all if I lower the price.
mcglonec
Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:42 am
#8
BristaAB wrote:
55 meat = approx 2 buff packs = approx 50 buffs = 50-100k credits
Actually, a single enhancement (a good one, anyway) pack requires 22 avian meat PLUS 32 herbivore meat for the subcomponents. That means 55 meat is approximately 1 buff pack, not two.
mcglonec
Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:25 am
#9
Here's a breakdown of what it takes to make Bivoli Tempari with a Heavy Additive using Intelligent Nanonutriets, which give a bonus to nutrition (I can't make this stuff yet, so I'm relying on some info online - if my numbers are a little off, let me know). Note that I'm using resource prices from my server, Flurry. They might be somewhat different from your server, but, in the end, it should be a wash.
30 Carnivore Meat @ 30cpu = 900
60 Vegetables @ 3.5 cpu = 210
60Organic @ 3 cpu = 180
6 Flora Food @ 3 cpu = 18
35 Flora @ 3 cpu = 105
20 Creature Food @ 25 cpu = 500
20 Water @ 3 cpu = 60
That gives me a grand total of 1973 credits in resource costs.
Now, here's the list for what is required for a enhancement D pack:
54 Lokian Wild Wheat @ 4 cpu = 216
54 Tatooinian Fiberplast @ 3.5 cpu = 189
32 Herbivore Meat@ 30 cpu = 960
32 Class 4 Liquid Petro Fuel @ 4.5 cpu = 144
16 Dolovite Iron @ 4.5 cpu = 72
16 Domesticated Oats @ 3 cpu = 48
22 Avian Meat @ 40 cpu = 880
22 Reactive Gas @ 3.5 cpu = 77
That gives a grand total of 2586 credits in resource costs.
High quality enhancement packs go for around 8,000 credits on Flurry. That means that the doctor crafting and selling those packs is making a 309% profit. Of course, that doc could turn around and sell the application of those packs and make a lot more. Assuming 25 charges and a going rate of roughly 1.5k per attribute buffed, that doc could pull in 37.5k credits for that pack, which is a profit of 1450%. Certainly, that's a nice profit, but you have to keep in mind that those profits are not immediately realized. Rather the doctor must find willing patients and actively buff those patients, as opposed to simply selling the pack.Certainly, finding willing patients is easy enough (especially in Coronet), but buffing takes time and using up that entire pack could take well over an hour of steady buffing. That's an hour spent by that doc realizing profits while he/she could have been doing something else to make money. So, while the high profit margin looks nice, it's probably not the whole picture.
So, based on this information, how much should Bivoli Tempari go for? Well, if you wanted to get the same kind of profit margin a doc would, you'd sell it for about 6100 credits - that would give you a 309% profit margin.
Here's where we have to leave behind simple mathematics and think about the "perceived value" of these items. That's where this is going to get fuzzy.
What good is a dose of Bivoli Tempari without a buff pack? Not much good at all. What good is a buff pack without Bivoli Tempari? Very good. What good is a buff pack with +25 Bivoli Tempari? Very good +12.5%. High end Bivoli Tempari will add, on average, 12.5% to the power of an ehancement. So, if you would have normally received a buff for 2000 points, you'd get one for 2500 if the doc was using Bivoli Tempari.
One problem faced right now is that, outside of the doctor/chef community, few people know about Bivoli Tempari. What does that mean to the picture? Well, if no one understands what Bivoli Tempari does, docs aren't going to get paid any more for their buffs than they are today by their customers. That means that, to the doctor selling the buffs, using Bivoli Tempari reduces the doc's profit margin - the doc is paying more in overhead while gaining no extra compensation.
Sure, the doctor can take the time to explain to each person how Bivoli Tempari works and why the prices have gone up, but that is just more work for the doc and increases the amount of time it takes for a doc to make money on the packs.
So, with all of that in mind, what would I price a pack of Bivoli Tempari at? Well, I'd stick it around 3500 credits each. Now, that's just me and I'm using Flurrian economics, so your numbers may vary slightly, but, there you have it - the opinion of a master doc.
Jihadic
Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:38 am
#10
mcglonec wrote:
BristaAB wrote:
55 meat = approx 2 buff packs = approx 50 buffs = 50-100k credits
Actually, a single enhancement (a good one, anyway) pack requires 22 avian meat PLUS 32 herbivore meat for the subcomponents. That means 55 meat is approximately 1 buff pack, not two.
Correct. And a buff pack has 10 times the charges 
Numen
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:00 pm
#11
While buffs are changing, I actually think this stuff will sell better. Everyone will be able to see a notceable improvement. It might only be 50 more points or something, but they will know it is working everytime.
mrthx
Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:11 pm
#12
It will become way more popular and I wont even sell it because these jerkturds wont get off my back about the price. I cant ignore the whole doc population.
Uberhamster
Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:15 pm
#13
The odd thing is that 100k/crate for BE Bivoli seems like an exceptionally kind price...
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