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Thread: Question re Fill of BoH/Mando Wine

MTVGeneration
Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:15 am
#1

To get Fill 50 (or 40 ) do you use a INNs and just put your experiment points into the filling or use a filling additive? Cheers!



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golfingtx
Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:27 am
#2

I use INN's and put my experimentation into filling until I reach it. Takes some good resources but still a lot easier finding those resources then the ones to make the filling additive.



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STLpMpNu
Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:02 am
#3

rember anything under 300-350 health is kinda pointless for mando and boh



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Iwof
Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:25 pm
#4

My BoH is 50 fill and 430ish health, sells pretty good. Yes I use INN and first experiment down the filling to 50 and put what I have left in nutrition.



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STLpMpNu
Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:25 pm
#5

But end result is rougly 7:30-low 8:00's



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Meplorium
Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:18 pm
#6

I use flavor additives in my BoH/Mando. This allows a continious buff with exp into flavor and filling. Duration is around 18m with the fill around 60%. In this case you are using one drink to buff 3 health regen stats and give a modest health boost.



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Fanteen
Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:44 pm
#7


Whats +400 health vs base of +170 health? Answer: one hit from high level mob. I make a Low Carb brand that has 30 filling and 9 min duration using Carbocaloric Eliminators on BoH. I dont usually even put one exp point in nutrition. It allows me to fully empty drink fill before i have to refresh and gets the full regen (which is really the only things that counts imo). Leaves lots of room in case i want to add Vayerbok, or multiple hits of Ruby Bliel. Combine with other foods for max regens.



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Meplorium
Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:10 pm
#8

Finally someone that understands that the health bonus is not that valuable. Interesting trade off, filling additive to get the drink a constant buff yet enough room for flexibility at a heavy cost of buring through the stuff quickly. I may need to think about making some, though I still stand by my flavor enhanced, better value, though I can see non medics liking the extra room for the ruby biel.



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STLpMpNu
Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:02 pm
#9






Meplorium wrote:
Finally someone that understands that the health bonus is not that valuable. Interesting trade off, filling additive to get the drink a constant buff yet enough room for flexibility at a heavy cost of buring through the stuff quickly. I may need to think about making some, though I still stand by my flavor enhanced, better value, though I can see non medics liking the extra room for the ruby biel.





BOH and Mando is made for the HEALTH BONUS the regen is not very important you can get near the same stats rather easily with artisan foods. Noone will be poping these back to back if they are informed. Its a food used for combat when you need that little extra health. You stack it with kanali wafers/won-won and you can get roughly a 700-900 bonus to health that stacked with boosterblue and health buffs your talking near 1400 health bonus thats almost a 50% bonus to your health and in pvp max health makes a huge diffrence.



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SioBabble
Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:28 pm
#10

I think the customers look for the health bonus, then at the other stats, and prefer mando (particularly Jedi) because it gives the additional regen bonus in both action and health, which otherwise can't be directly influenced (unlike health that can be healed by a medic or a Jedi healer).




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whippet
Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:39 am
#11

I stick to my guns in saying that a low fill + 190 health mando wine is far more useful than a high fill +450 health version.


Your talking about a difference of only 260 health, compared to an extra 2-3 insta stim heals with ruby bleil, which cost no mind pool, and don't interupt your ability to dish out damage. drink filling space for healing is invaluable in my opinion. and the low fill mando wine with a won-won still offers +450~ health bonus, maxxed health and action regen with +200 mind regen. with all that extra stomache space spare.


In a duel all things being equal the low fill mando user will beat the high health buff mando user everytime.
SioBabble
Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:24 pm
#12






whippet wrote:


In a duel all things being equal the low fill mando user will beat the high health buff mando user everytime.





Ah. This is key.


How much of this is being consumed by those involved strictly in one-on-one duel situations?


The Jedi-BH dynamic comes to mind, but a great deal of PvP is in groups, not a one-on-one situtation. Futhermore, how many combat players really get into this level of analysis?


One of my techniques is to ask customers what they're looking for. I've offered them BoH as an alternative, and they stick with Mando. For them, that's what is the most attractive. Also, I do test runs of low fill Mando and Vercupti and offer them side by side with high fill/high buff of the same products, and high fill/high buff is prefered. I can offer some of the same reasons to go lower fill/lower buff, but the customers seem to want to go the other way. So I make it the way they want it. I try to be an "educational" chef, offer different foods for different effects, and my customers (particularly the guildies who are getting this stuff for free and therefore are looking strictly at the food, not the price) steer my production through their demands.


Your milage of course may vary, I think that if you provide the customer what they want, they'll come back. No one has sent me a hate tell yet complaining that my Mando is too filling. Quite the opposite, in fact.






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STLpMpNu
Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:55 pm
#13






SioBabble wrote:





whippet wrote:


In a duel all things being equal the low fill mando user will beat the high health buff mando user everytime.





Ah. This is key.


How much of this is being consumed by those involved strictly in one-on-one duel situations?


The Jedi-BH dynamic comes to mind, but a great deal of PvP is in groups, not a one-on-one situtation. Futhermore, how many combat players really get into this level of analysis?


One of my techniques is to ask customers what they're looking for. I've offered them BoH as an alternative, and they stick with Mando. For them, that's what is the most attractive. Also, I do test runs of low fill Mando and Vercupti and offer them side by side with high fill/high buff of the same products, and high fill/high buff is prefered. I can offer some of the same reasons to go lower fill/lower buff, but the customers seem to want to go the other way. So I make it the way they want it. I try to be an "educational" chef, offer different foods for different effects, and my customers (particularly the guildies who are getting this stuff for free and therefore are looking strictly at the food, not the price) steer my production through their demands.


Your milage of course may vary, I think that if you provide the customer what they want, they'll come back. No one has sent me a hate tell yet complaining that my Mando is too filling. Quite the opposite, in fact.







I've said this plenty of times before Mando wine Vercupti and BOH all act as like the pre cu vercupti did it gave a large health bonus the other stats were not as important. Anyone who uses any of these foods vercupti i see as being useless and BOH i see only a real combination with canape. And the most effecitve would be running with kanali wafers blop and spiced tea and only useing the mandowine if you start takeing on dmg and could use the extra ham. All 3 of the foods are emergency use and are not recomended for being used as regen foods.


Mando wine used to be strictly for large regen in the past Not anymore its works like the old vercupti used to and at the lowest effective fill would be 49-50 actual power is the key that anyone who does any amount of pvp.


PvE either your going to die in a couple hits or your going to do next to no healing so it doesn't really make a diffrence in that area.



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