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Thread: Master Chef Stepping up. Nothing over 85k!

Kane_Firestalker
Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:46 am
#40

Just my 2 cents.


Price your food at whatever you want to. It will not affect any other chef's sells. Pushing this down other chef's throats is just ridiculous.


Also, I welcome the solo-group changes. Its going to mean I might actually have hunters happy to get meat for under 80cpu again



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Saitek
Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:18 am
#41

My prices are very similar, it's worked quite well for me (I've been pricing cheap for over a year now). Price however you want to, and don't worry about the chefs here, most jump down the throat of anyone who prices cheap, it's their defense mechanism.



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Higginsis
Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:30 am
#42

Like i said, i'm not bothered what anyone charges, fair play to them if they want to, just i don't really appreciate being told i'm greedy and ripping people off.

Best of luck to him.



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GrifterSys
Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:54 am
#43

Ooops The buying resources for outrages amounts part it what I was referring to the more you pay outrageous prices the more you drive up your own prices. Thats the reason everything costs so much because people are willing to pay Millions of credits for high quality resources. My feeling is themore you all pay these high prices and drive up the market the worse its gonna get. And the inverse is true the more you pay these prices the more the scouts/whathaveyou think they have to increase prices to buy what they need to do their thing(buying food). So my feeling is don't pay these high prices Force the economy down.




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GrifterSys
Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:00 am
#44






Higginsis wrote:





Wengel wrote:





Higginsis wrote:
Personally i find it hilarious how you say we rip off people, we don't force people to buy our products, they buy them cos they're good and well priced.

Also the claim that people "chrage 4 times what i do" is ridiculous. I've never heard of anything costing that (except on bria, but bria's the exception to the rule ). I charge 175k for my +430 for 45m brandy, and it sells out in days, if i were ripping people off or overcharging it simply wouldn't sell.

And has been said i work hard to get my foods as good as they are and to keep my vendor stocked.

So don't spout off about something thats not even applicable to any other server but yours.






My +400, 52:00, 50% brandy sells quite well even with a pricetag of 250k for a crate of 25.


But this stuff also requires 87 BSN's and all 12 pts to be amazing success to make it. So i don't think it's overpriced. And since there's enough chefs on Chimaera for people to just pick another if they do not agree, i fail to see the problem.








People buy whats fair, if its not they won't.

how we can ever force someone to spend credits i'll never know, tho i wish i did.





250K a Crate is fair where is your math coming from I would like to know So what it takes all 12 experimentation points to be amazing it is still Waaaaaaaaaay overpriced. Formula is simple

# of resources needed x5 +BE components simple effective and reasonably priced. I like the original tone of this thread people please help others play the game Some of the toons barley have what it takes to get from Dath to Corellia Someone should be serving the NON-POWER GAMER community. Honeslty So you are a millionaire in you virtual world whoopie grats to you. But don't drive up the market just because you have to do a little more experimentation.


Grifter(Haven)



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Dallak
Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:30 am
#45

I set my prices based on how much food I am willing to produce and sell. I have other accounts and between JTL and my jedi I don't want to be a slave to my factories and harvesting resources. I set my prices at the point that I am willing and able to sell them at based on current demand. My goal is NOT to sell food to my entire server. My customers come time and time again to get a high quality product. I believe that a high quality product has a much higher intrinsic value=higher price than the median. I am very happy with the amount of food I sell and the customers I sell to.



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OditeFosore
Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:32 am
#46

I blew past the ideas of economics and types of markets because it can be a touchy subject. In short, I don't run my business as anything but from the standpoint of a free market - a capitalist market, not socialist or anything else. By making top quality food, by harvesting and buying the best resources, I am able to charge a premium for my food. I am not ashamed of trying to make the most money as I can. I amvery givingin-game, I help out folks just starting out with good work that helps them make credits they need to get levelled and have quality gear they desire to compete at a high level in their professions. When I see someone in starter clothes proudly displaying their novice marksmen title, be assured they don't pay for their food and often walk away with more credits than when they entered to purchase food from me. I still keep how I spend my money separate from how I run my business - I run my business as competitively as I can andI charge what customers are willing to pay.



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Wengel
Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:52 am
#47






GrifterSys wrote:





Higginsis wrote:





Wengel wrote:





Higginsis wrote:
Personally i find it hilarious how you say we rip off people, we don't force people to buy our products, they buy them cos they're good and well priced.

Also the claim that people "chrage 4 times what i do" is ridiculous. I've never heard of anything costing that (except on bria, but bria's the exception to the rule ). I charge 175k for my +430 for 45m brandy, and it sells out in days, if i were ripping people off or overcharging it simply wouldn't sell.

And has been said i work hard to get my foods as good as they are and to keep my vendor stocked.

So don't spout off about something thats not even applicable to any other server but yours.






My +400, 52:00, 50% brandy sells quite well even with a pricetag of 250k for a crate of 25.


But this stuff also requires 87 BSN's and all 12 pts to be amazing success to make it. So i don't think it's overpriced. And since there's enough chefs on Chimaera for people to just pick another if they do not agree, i fail to see the problem.








People buy whats fair, if its not they won't.

how we can ever force someone to spend credits i'll never know, tho i wish i did.





250K a Crate is fair where is your math coming from I would like to know So what it takes all 12 experimentation points to be amazing it is still Waaaaaaaaaay overpriced. Formula is simple

# of resources needed x5 +BE components simple effective and reasonably priced. I like the original tone of this thread people please help others play the game Some of the toons barley have what it takes to get from Dath to Corellia Someone should be serving the NON-POWER GAMER community. Honeslty So you are a millionaire in you virtual world whoopie grats to you. But don't drive up the market just because you have to do a little more experimentation.


Grifter(Haven)





If it's so overpriced in your mind, then why am i selling lots of it?


I waste 25-50 attemps on getting each schematic, when you want to make this. that's 5-10% of the total i gain from the run. And then you of course need quite good resources and tissues to make this.


But anyway, Maybe prices are lower on your server. I don't know, and i frankly don't care. If prices are too high, it'll show on the sales quite fast. And as someone else said in this thread... nobody is forcing anyone to buy these products. There's more than enough chefs on chimaera for them to go someplace else if they dislike the price.





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Mayor_Woosh
Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:07 am
#48

This horse is very dead




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Wengel
Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:34 pm
#49






Mayor_Woosh wrote:

This horse is very dead






You know medication can fix everything...



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Reptilian_Greenskin
Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:33 pm
#50

Grifter, your math is the one that is off. If you are pricing number of resources X5+ BE additive, you would be much better off selling the resources rather than making them into a food/drink. My resources I use i could sell for well over 5cpu and that's not even talking meat resources. Anyone that sells for 5cpu + BE additives won't stay in business long.



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Mayor_Woosh
Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:05 am
#51






Wengel wrote:





Mayor_Woosh wrote:

This horse is very dead






You know medication can fix everything...





hehe




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Happymob
Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:08 am
#52






ExDarthStorm wrote:


Think about it, Doctors make twice the amount of components than we do, and don't charge ANYWHERE near as much as we do for our products.




Doctor is a bit easier in my opinion.


Yes, they deal with 4 different subcomponents and most schematics use 3 of them. However, we only have to do a single factory run for each subcomponent and a single run for the final assembly. So basically 2 layers of factory runs. End to end food takes more layers since BE additive has to be created, then it is converted into a chef additive, and then you make the final product.


Also, food is far more animal resource intensive than doctor products (with the notable exception of doc buff packs). Doctors use herbivore meat. That's it. Even without the additives, chefs have no shortage of animal resource requirements. Add in the BE additives, and food and drink becomes the number 1 consumer of animal resources. It's pretty simple to go buy (or harvest) a 100K stack of fruits. It's not so easy with carnivore meat. Doctor buffs are an exception as avian meat is critical to the quality of the buff. As a result, you get the 200 to 400 cpu avian prices.


Next, chefs have a crating profession dependency, the BE. A BE gets their cut of the profit too. Doctors have a couple of very minor crafting dependencies, but nothing on their core products.


Finally, doctor products are a bit more disposable than chef products. I will go through a 50-charge stimpack in about the same amount of time as 4 charges of vasarian brandy. The faster an item is used, the more downward pressure there is on price.


I'm not saying that chef pricing should far exceed doctor pricing on a cpu basis. But in general, based on the relative usefulness and relative crafting pain of the two professions, I think the pricing is about right.


One more nugget - between chef and artisan food and drink schematics, a chef has to track around 100 different resource/stat combos to craft a complete line of products (which of coursefew chefsdo).There is no perfect cereal (short of 1000 in all stats) since different schematics that use cereal sometimes use different weightings. A doctor only has to deal with 40 resource/stat combos for a full doc/medic product line (which of coursefew docs do).




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