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Thread: CHEF FOOD PRICING DISCUSSION (Chefs only please)

zebraone100
Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:56 am
#40




Let's say I'm at the price where it stays on the vendor between my production runs. Day one I produce a stat buff that's at +200. Day two I produce one that's at +190 (I just ran out of good resources). If Joe Customer comes in and sees the +190 buff selling for the same price he bought the +200 buff for, he may feel ripped off (or he may not, some people don't care). That's one of the reasons I use "complicated formulas" when determining prices (that and I like math :smileyhappy. It's also the reason there's no nice, neat round numbers on my vendors.

It's not for everyone; nor should it be. It's just the way I like to do things.





I actually don't disagree with you at all. In that sence you are selling two "different" products. My main point is that pricing has nothing to do with the cost of produceing something. There is a very specific reason why people want to buy brandy. It buffs mind stats remarkably well. That fact has a certain inherent value to people. For some people, the ability to buff there mind by 800 or 900 points is worth 500k for a crate of 25. For others, it's only worth 400k. For still more others, it's worth no more than 200K, and so on and so on. The value that people place on brandy has absolutely nothing to do with how much it costs you to produce. Therefore, don't price it based on how much it costs you to produce.


As far as a customer feeling like they are being ripped off, if they buy the brandy, it can be argued that they have no room to complain. The product still does exactly what they paid there money for it to do.


As far as the customers that think the price is too high, well, that is a nessesary component of the law of demand. We have a limited capacity to produce product. It is the goal of charging the right price, to eliminate those who don't care enough about the product to buy it at that price. We want to eliminate as many customers asis nessesary to achive equalibrium with our production capacity. (ie, the number of people who want to buy equals the number of products we are physically capable of produceing.)


I can hear the questions now... "zebraone100, what if it costs more to producea productthan people are willing to pay? Certainly we can base the price on cost in that situation cant we?" The answer is NO. You would still base the price on the "inherent value" of the product to the customer. If you produce this product, you will loose money period, and you will certainly waste your time in the process. A great example of this is about 90% of all the old chef foods. You couldn't give that stuff away.

Yomigaere
Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:07 pm
#41

I have some non BE Brandy that has a +233, 35m, 49f, wondering what to sell this for seeing as I have someone interested. I also have some +377, 35m, 49f with additive of course, I made with 'ok' resources, how much should I sell these for?


Basiclly I want to break even as soon as possible since I spent about 3 million on credits getting Chef started, (6) BER 13 Floras, (3) BER 13 Vapors, (2) BER 13 Gas, (3) BER Fusions (have to have power for all these guys ), plus all the money I had to spend the first 2 or 3 days buying resources at an outragous price since I just placed the harvestors... I am hoping to atleast break even in a weeks time, you guys think it is possible?


I also plan to be selling +400, 45m, 49f in about a week
DiceDuP
Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:08 pm
#42

In reply to talron and fg, im also on chimaera, and charge between 300-325k per crate of 25 depending on the quality of the BE additive. There is one chef on our server getting away with 550k per crate, and another currently with no stock who sold out at 200k - i've spoken with him since, hopefully he will see the worth of the product, im sure he will as he's a long standing chef on our server.


I started off with pricing my 400-410 brandy a lot lower, but couldn't keep up with the demand on my 3 vendors at all. With endless /tells and emails coming through, I slowly upped the price until the /tells and emails slowed down, and the products on my vendors took up to 8 hours+ to clear out, by which time i could restock. Supply and demand is a big issue onconsumable items, so it makes sence to price it in accordance with it. I would say the max should be about 350k on our server, but that is my opinion and don't charge that.


Good brandy isn't something you can just logon, throw in a factory and make. If you make all the parts yourself, all your time, resources, factories end up dedicated to it. Therefore, to free up space for the other foods I want to make, I have no choice other than to try and price Brandy at a price which will make people who think they should be using it for sharnaff hunts and the like, think twice about buying it. The top brandy really shouldn't be something available to ALL players at any level. I find it sells best and more frequently to the big time hunters, who profit faster themselves by using it. If I had the extra time, and resources, I would consider making some non-bio brandy for these players, but i'm sure there are other chefs out there that can accomodate these players. Now that I have managed to get a slight slowdown on Brandy sales, I have now started mass producing the other foods that many players are craving for. Having an extensive menu on a vendor is far more satisfying than just having one item.


Saying that, when you goto coronet and see some idiot selling 100 Units of really poor quality Milk for 6000 then it does make you wonder just what is going on. Milk isn't even a requirement of a good additive for the main foods (maybe blue milk) so i don't see why people are trying to charge 60cpu for it. As FG said, it only results in the end product being pushed up.


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LostBoyJim
Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:55 pm
#43






Liza2830 wrote:

Hi all well I just got a nasty note from someone said he won't be buying my food as he can find it from another master chef at half the price! I'm selling brandy at 225k a crate with stats of +413 mind willpower focus for 37mins quanity is 21 and stomach filling 49 is mind inferior quanity and overpriced? Or is there a chef that didn't spend nearly the resources and omg TIME that i did? I'm on chilastra







The correct response is to send a polite response as follows:


"I am happy you have found a cheaper chef. I will certainly take his pricing, and your input, into account when I price my next batch. Good luck with your new vendor!"


Then ban him from your vendor




Mayhew Grelika, MBE
PSKstang
Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:21 pm
#44

No that is not how to reply, but you are an IRON chef. You are tough and ruthless , this should be your reply:


"Do you mind if you give me your friend's waypoint? I would like to buy out his stock and then sell it to you for 450k when you find no one to sell it for cheaper. I am taking into account the information you have given me. I will ban you from my shop. When you want some BE brandy, please feel free to contact me so that I may charge you an inflated price do to your ignorance. Yes I have been exposed to cheap tricks like yours to lower my prices. No it has never worked, so this will not work. I look forward to you reaching me again to purchase some of my brandy. Also, since I did you a favor in replying your mail, can you reply to this one with why you wasted your time in telling me you know of a cheaper chef? Perhaps like I stated earlier, I have called your bluff?


Thank you and have a wonderful day


Your friendly, non sarcastic neighborhood chef


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Liza2830
Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:35 pm
#45

I love you all! lol I did send him a note saying ah well have fun seeing how I only have one crate left no big deal but I think i'll have to send another reply now hmm if he's for real dang yes i want to buy that chef's stuff ...resale time!

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