Chef Archive
Thread: Would this chef/BE arrangement be fair?
Shadowmant
Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:11 am
#27
Your a little closed minded arn't ya. No I won't use 10 crates of brandy a day. But there are other foods out there. To be honest, I don't use much brandy at all. I maily use the food that allows me harvest more meat. I use just under a crate a day. I also use a bit of brandy.
Do I compete with him...no. I'm to busy selling tissues to want to get in the food market myself. But it allows me to be more efficient at my job. If you think that only the brandy is going to sell, then your in big trouble bub.
Do I compete with him...no. I'm to busy selling tissues to want to get in the food market myself. But it allows me to be more efficient at my job. If you think that only the brandy is going to sell, then your in big trouble bub.
DashZero
Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:13 am
#28
/sigh yea thats all Ive put on my vendor. brandy. /rolls eyes. The only thing being talked about is brandy for the most part. Yes Im selling most everything. But the point is, that you as an individual will not have the same volume of use as a chef selling food. So what are you going to do with all the extra? You surely dont think your individual use is the equivalent of what a chefs sells?
Shadowmant
Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:31 pm
#29
Your off a bit on the prices.... most chefs are selling for 200k-300k a crate. Your lowering the value of his crates by 25%
Now try re-doing that math at him selling for 200k a crate and see what you get.
Now try re-doing that math at him selling for 200k a crate and see what you get.
apulieus
Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:49 pm
#30
You missed my point your rates will send the price up like that. Here's the math on the profit split again assuming that is the standard price on your server.
Get back 10 crates of brandy 10 X250k= 2500k
chef sells his 10 for 250k his costs 2500k/20/5750=21 cpu gross margin.
your margin 2500k/10/2000=125 cpu
My recommendation is to come to some reasonable agreement on a price structure that is based on something. Your feeling seems to me is that your additive really is what makes the food so it doesn't really matter that your price ratio is 125 cpu gross to the chefs 21 cpu.
This is why some chefs are bitter about the patch.
Message Edited by apulieus on 02-15-2004 01:50 PM
Message Edited by apulieus on 02-15-2004 01:55 PM
Shadowmant
Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:57 pm
#31
Listen the fact is that I do get something out of the deal... I wouldn't do it otherwise. But he also gets quite a bit out of it as well. I usually charge about 40k a crate. He can make his foods at about 15k a crate. This saves him 25k per crate of tissues. Every time we do a 10 crate swap he is saving himself 250k compared to buying these from me. Add on that the 12k/crate(120k per purchase) discount I give him on my supplies when I'm not looking for food. He's coming out quite a bit ahead himself. And I'm not sure what sort of price you can put on the fact that I don't make him wait in line for his orders to be filled.
In a situation where he wins and I win...what the hell is the problem?
In a situation where he wins and I win...what the hell is the problem?
DashZero
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:04 pm
#32
He can not make his food for 15k. You frankly dont know what you are talking about. At least not brandy.. Veghash yea. For brandy 15k wouldnt even pay for the resources.
Message Edited by Nikii_Nightstrider on 02-15-2004 06:06 PM
apulieus
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:23 pm
#34
What exactly is he swapping you? Unless as nikki said its veghash its probably not a good deal for him. If its casks of brandy, its a very bad deal.
smw
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:49 pm
#35
Same could e said about the chefs who don't want to buy crates of additives but want to just buy a schematic.
Nikii_Nightstrider wrote:
The thing Im not getting here is why BEs seem to only want to strike deals for food or portions of the profit.
Message Edited by Nikii_Nightstrider on 02-15-2004 01:11 PM
DashZero
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:58 pm
#36
I agree. Personally, Id prefer to just buy crates of supplements. I dont really like trying to be a bookkeeper and divvying up my sales and tracking % of my profit to pay for what I need. Thats entirely too much trouble. Id like to be able to buy crates of stuff just like I sell crates of stuff to my customers. So far my experience is either they all want to trade 2/1 food or they all want around 50% of the profit. None want to just sell crates of their product.
Templar1865
Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:47 pm
#37
I think we all need to remember that crafted items aren't priced just on amount of resources, but also the skill level of the chefs and BEs involved.
I, as a BE, have a pretty simple pricing plan right now, though it may change in the future. 3k-2k-1k for heavy/med/light additives. When you see the kind of results you can get from a food item enhanced with a 110 (not even max) heavy nutrition additive, you understand why non-additive enhanced foods will gather dust once people learn the difference. The difference is literally night and day. So, even my 3-2-1 pricing may be on the low end. I won't build schematics for others (some very rare exceptions, I suppose); even then, I wouldn't change the pricing. A 300-unit run intelligent nanonutrient schematic is still going to be 900,000 (sure, you can run it more than once).
Has anyone seen any successful profit-sharing models out there? If I sell a crate of 25 for 75k, and that crate turns around to power a crate of food that sells for 200k, the chef's made 125k (gross), a 3:5 ratio. Considering that the chef may not be able to sell ANY non-enhanced food, that margin seems ok. Thoughts?
grelgen
Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:39 pm
#38
Im a MBE and I subscribe to the "Free schematic" principle. Here's why:
1. I hate resource gathering. They tookquality requirements out of pets so I can use the lowest rung meat and flora when using them. I'll let the chef start gathering 20k of the same meat and let them decide how much the results should cost.
2. With the free schematic, the chef doesnt have to worry about how much my price is going to raise their price (or cut into their profits)
2.5. The chef also doesnt have to waste any time on grinding up a BE mule, which keeps my area clean of competition. BE is actually fun, I dont want other people to know that.
4. I only have 1 factory, which is normally churning out HQ pet stims. Why would i want to stop making my hottest seller, to go make a sub component.
5. I sold a level 60 Kimo for 1 mil credits (master salesman irl), I dont really need a lot of cash right now.
DashZero
Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:56 pm
#39
I guess thats part of my problem. In the past when I used supplements prepatch, I didnt look to make a profit from the BE work. I bought my tissues at 200-1000 credits each (which was oddly enough considered fine then) then I added that price to the top of my normal crate price. So my customer just paid my normal price + the price from the BE for the tissue.Im not really looking to make a profit from a BEs work, just my own work. I guess thats why I resent it when a BE wants to half of my profit. Im not inflating my prices based on someone elses work.
Templar1865 wrote:
Has anyone seen any successful profit-sharing models out there? If I sell a crate of 25 for 75k, and that crate turns around to power a crate of food that sells for 200k, the chef's made 125k (gross), a 3:5 ratio.