Chef Archive

A few comments:

1) your food isn't very good. I'd expect you to be discounting already in order to get people to buy that stuff. I don't mean to insult you, it's just a simple fact of economics that in order to sell an inferior product you have to charge lower prices.

2) You can do what you like, but personally there's no way in hell I'd lower my prices to anywhere near the ones you are. I like being a Chef, but I don't want to be a slave to my business, and prices like those are a recipe for major production headaches while simultaneously removing the profit. Not smart imo.

3) Wishing something to be true does not make it so. If you're accosted by newbs who can't afford armor, why don't you grind AS and fix how "over the top" armor prices are? Start selling 70% kinetic Ubese suits for 20K and your server's AS will react in the same way I expect your server's Chefs will to this proposal: chuckle, let you corner the market for two weeks while you drive yourself crazy and make no money, then resume business as usual when you give it up. Chef prices are no more "over the top" than Armor, Weapons, Hides, Meats... well, do you get the picture? If you can convince BEs to sell 87s for 250cr a piece and Rangers to sell high-end meat for 5cpu, I might sell at your prices. Till then, you're on your own.

4) Even if you convinced all the Chefs on your server to go along... what exactly does it accomplish? There's a huge amount of cash out there, and if you remove one drain on it, people will find somewhere else to spend it. Making food cheap will only server to drive up the price on CAs, force crystals, etc. Fixing the economy will require major work by the Devs (like the solo group change on TC) and there's nothing you or I can do about it. Artificially depressing the price of food will actually harm the overall economy, not help it.

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ExDarthStorm wrote:

it's funny how just a point or 2 here and there can make u a "substandard" chef.

Nice work of flaming a post to justify your need to seriously OVER charge the people who buy your foods.

Personaly i can see this thread has gone to those who don't care about other people, but just themselves.

Have fun out there. I never started this thread to make you poor, or to cut into your most deserved profits.

Message Edited by ExDarthStorm on 11-14-2004 06:19 PM

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Look Robin Hood you recieved both constructive and not so constructive comments. Thats the way these forums are. Alot of us have been doing this a while and we have evolved with the game. When elite melee classes have been earning a millon creds a buff session for the last 8 months I fail to see how 8k a bottle of brandy is overpriced.

I tried to bite my lip when you first posted. But enough is enough. Youknewdamn wellbefore you posted this wacky idea of yours that you would be flamed. Dont play the surprised act.

So let me get this straight. You think selling food below or at cost will help the economy? Maybe for everyone but the Chef's doing it. Good luck to you.

Message Edited by GOVNOR on 11-15-2004 04:35 AM

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ExDarthStorm wrote:

lol thanks woosh

Yes i did know what i was getting into with this post. As i posted it on 3 different forums.

The thing of it is here, that people aren't upset about anything other than the fact that they make better foods, and charge 4 times more than i do.

They think that everyone will start to expect that prices go down that far.

What they don't reliase is that the bottom of the chef market is going to fall out under them. Specialy with the solo group fix coming soon.

My post was in responce to all these 12 point chefs that call my foods "substandard".

I do understand that there are people out there that take their crafting VERY seriously. I do it because i enjoy making something that people can use.

Other's do it to see how good they can make it. It's all in how you look at it.

If you can make foods better than me, GREAT! More power to ya! I think it's great that you set your goals high.

That's not what this post was about.

It was about trying to open the eyes of the community and the chef's to the fact that this isn't going to last much longer. And they need to start learning how, and WANTING to work with the system.

Most of you will have to lower your prices because no one will buy anything, other's will quit and move onto the next "hot" crafting profession.

I just hope something good will come of all this.

I'm done on the forums, i hope everyone opens their eyes a little more.

Thanks for all your time

-Tamirk

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Maybe this doesn't affect you, because you don't sell that much. But my sales have started to increase again. JTL was "the new stuff" and everyone had to try it out. Now it's getting back to normal, where people split the time between space and ground game.

My question still stands btw, Why would i want to lower my prices so much that i can earn more by just selling the resources? What does that tell you?

And afaik, the combat balance is going to make chef even more needed than it is now. It's hard for me to see how we can be made more required than we already are when it comes to groundbase gameplay, but that's the word from the sandbox testers.

A lot of people have moved on to Shipwright, and some people have earned 50 mill in 2 weeks doing this. but now their sales is dropping again, due to the fact that people now have the ships and equipment they need. And only replace it when it's destroyed, which isn't very often.

And yes, your products is sub-standard. Weather you like it or not. We have paid a LOT of money for the tapes to make us 12 pt chefs. We would like to earn back those as well. On my server, it's 2-3 million PER POINT right now. We buy those anyway, because it makes our products a lot better. trus making your stuff sub-standard.

It's not hard to make money as a 10 pt chef, but the very first thing you should save your money for is to get an 11 pt suit. It's quite easy and not that expensive to get, as it's based on an apron and +1 tapes. That point alone will bump your products up.

The other thing is, some of us have been collecting resources for months and months. They are now worth a lot more than they were when we collected them. My prices ain't rising because the resources is now worth more than in the beginning. Buti can guarantee you that they ain't dropping either.

Message Edited by GOVNOR on 11-15-2004 06:58 AM

Personally i find it hilarious how you say we rip off people, we don't force people to buy our products, they buy them cos they're good and well priced.

Also the claim that people "chrage 4 times what i do" is ridiculous. I've never heard of anything costing that (except on bria, but bria's the exception to the rule ). I charge 175k for my +430 for 45m brandy, and it sells out in days, if i were ripping people off or overcharging it simply wouldn't sell.

And has been said i work hard to get my foods as good as they are and to keep my vendor stocked.

So don't spout off about something thats not even applicable to any other server but yours.

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Higginsis wrote:
Personally i find it hilarious how you say we rip off people, we don't force people to buy our products, they buy them cos they're good and well priced.

Also the claim that people "chrage 4 times what i do" is ridiculous. I've never heard of anything costing that (except on bria, but bria's the exception to the rule ). I charge 175k for my +430 for 45m brandy, and it sells out in days, if i were ripping people off or overcharging it simply wouldn't sell.

And has been said i work hard to get my foods as good as they are and to keep my vendor stocked.

So don't spout off about something thats not even applicable to any other server but yours.

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My +400, 52:00, 50% brandy sells quite well even with a pricetag of 250k for a crate of 25.

But this stuff also requires 87 BSN's and all 12 pts to be amazing success to make it. So i don't think it's overpriced. And since there's enough chefs on Chimaera for people to just pick another if they do not agree, i fail to see the problem.

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Wengel wrote:

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Higginsis wrote:
Personally i find it hilarious how you say we rip off people, we don't force people to buy our products, they buy them cos they're good and well priced.

Also the claim that people "chrage 4 times what i do" is ridiculous. I've never heard of anything costing that (except on bria, but bria's the exception to the rule ). I charge 175k for my +430 for 45m brandy, and it sells out in days, if i were ripping people off or overcharging it simply wouldn't sell.

And has been said i work hard to get my foods as good as they are and to keep my vendor stocked.

So don't spout off about something thats not even applicable to any other server but yours.

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My +400, 52:00, 50% brandy sells quite well even with a pricetag of 250k for a crate of 25.

But this stuff also requires 87 BSN's and all 12 pts to be amazing success to make it. So i don't think it's overpriced. And since there's enough chefs on Chimaera for people to just pick another if they do not agree, i fail to see the problem.

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People buy whats fair, if its not they won't.

how we can ever force someone to spend credits i'll never know, tho i wish i did.

Charge what you want, who cares, it's not your business what I charge, nor is it mine what you charge. Charge 2 credits for a crate of brandy, it matters to no one other you and your customer. If you enjoying playing the game this way, fine it's not griefing anyone but yourself. But don't for one microsecond think you will get anything but negative responses when you even hint at telling other people how to play and what their is time is worth. For this point and this point alone you deserve any flame/contructive critism/insults/1-stars given. You aren't going to ruin your servers economy and your food isn't useless because it's not 12-point, those comments are off the mark and worth ignoring in my estimation.

However, can we start taking bets on how long you will keep up what appears to be self abuse?