Chef Archive
Thread: Stop the 33% Canape bandwagon!!!
Smerdy wrote:
I agree 100%. My alt, Alyosha, is a chef and I make all my canapes at 38 filling. They sell as fast as I can put them on my vendor. This character is a Master Rifleman, and I have found that some good brandy and 1 shot of Canapes over 700 and I can special as much as needed without losing any mind. I see no need to take more, so I have been a bit perplexed by the whole 33 filling craze. Just my opinion, and experience.
I made both 33 filling and 39 filling when the revamp first came in. Both were non BE at the time. I think It was about +310 compared to +335-340 or so. The 33 sold out at the very least two times as fast. I don't make 33 because I use it. I actually rarely use it as it has become an emergency food for me.
I actually would have preferred people buying more of the 39 when I started. Canape is probably the most annoying food for me to make. At least with brandy I don't get people coming in and buying 5 crates at a time.6 factory runs for 40 crates and the stuff flys off the vendor. Compare that to ahrisa with 3 runs.
Personally, I don't use canape at all when fighting, I use BE'd pikatta, synthsteak, and ahrisa (and of course brandy). In fact, I've done so much advertising of my ahrisa lately that it is now finally selling twice as fast as that silly 33 fill canape. Thank skies, as Numen said - so much easier to produce and frankly a better profit margin.
Thanks all - I confess I made my post a little more sensationalist than I could have done, in the interests of getting a response 
My main reason for the 'enough already' attitude is that sometimes people seem to be getting a bit evangelical about the whole 33-filling thing, to the point of sounding 'disapproving' of canape which isn't 33 fill. And since I never use it in a situation where the 33-filling is required (and I do a LOT of high-end PvE, less so PvP), I thought I'd put the other viewpoint across.
I do, of course, stock 33-fill canape, but it comes out about 100 lower on the buff than my 37-fill stuff (got that idea from SiNiSon, works nicely with a range of 25-fill foods), and the higher buff sells WAY faster for me. I guess that's partly due to some people not looking beyond buff size, but hey, I'm not gonna complain. I'm not trying to tell people what they should sell, OR what they should buy, but just suggesting that 33 isn't the be-all and end-all of canape
Vindy, +400 on non-nutrient enhanced canape? That's awesome, congrats
Lopa Freesky
rgrocott wrote:Come on,any serious PvP'er who fills their entire stomach up with Canape deserves to die, and probably will. If not immediately, then for sure when their 10 minutes is upEvery thread about Canape I see seems to obsess about hitting 33%, because 'you can get a bigger buff taking 3 +whatevers'.So, my question is - does anyone actually know a SUCCESSFUL PvP'er who, just before going into battle, manically stuffs 3 canapes down their craw? That's your entire stomach gone, and in 10 minutes (give or take) it's bye-bye time. No more mind stats, and no room to eat anything else. Assuming you live that long, with no Synthsteak, no Thakitillo, no Vercupti....It's a serious question. I think this whole obsession with 33-fill canape is completely bogus. I know I've NEVER eaten 3 canape at once. In fact, I don't think I've even eaten 2 at once. To my mind, the only reason for 33 fill is it's one of those numbers that factors into 100 nicely, and I try to make my foods mix'n'matchable in that regard, hitting 66, 50, 33, 25, 16 if possible.Discuss
have you ever PvP'd? how many times have you known the initial round before "clone zerging" starts to run MORE than 10 minutes? the way i see it is, double vercupti is for the non-medics to keep themselves from dying by health or action, while triple canape is for the medic so it is nearly impossible to incap them without using DoT's.
my bases all = 1000. add triple canapes (we'll say 650), brandy (400), and mind buffs and you have:
1000/1000/1000 x 2 = 2k/2k/2k + 800 = 2800/2800/2800 + 0/1950/1950 = 2800/4750/4750 - mind encumb of 735 = 2800/4015/4015 = one tough mother to take down when aiming at the mind with no DoT weapons.
Mor-Dan wrote:
rgrocott wrote:
Come on,any serious PvP'er who fills their entire stomach up with Canape deserves to die, and probably will. If not immediately, then for sure when their 10 minutes is up
Every thread about Canape I see seems to obsess about hitting 33%, because 'you can get a bigger buff taking 3 +whatevers'.
So, my question is - does anyone actually know a SUCCESSFUL PvP'er who, just before going into battle, manically stuffs 3 canapes down their craw? That's your entire stomach gone, and in 10 minutes (give or take) it's bye-bye time. No more mind stats, and no room to eat anything else. Assuming you live that long, with no Synthsteak, no Thakitillo, no Vercupti....
It's a serious question. I think this whole obsession with 33-fill canape is completely bogus. I know I've NEVER eaten 3 canape at once. In fact, I don't think I've even eaten 2 at once. To my mind, the only reason for 33 fill is it's one of those numbers that factors into 100 nicely, and I try to make my foods mix'n'matchable in that regard, hitting 66, 50, 33, 25, 16 if possible.
Discuss
have you ever PvP'd? how many times have you known the initial round before "clone zerging" starts to run MORE than 10 minutes? the way i see it is, double vercupti is for the non-medics to keep themselves from dying by health or action, while triple canape is for the medic so it is nearly impossible to incap them without using DoT's.
my bases all = 1000. add triple canapes (we'll say 650), brandy (400), and mind buffs and you have:
1000/1000/1000 x 2 = 2k/2k/2k + 800 = 2800/2800/2800 + 0/1950/1950 = 2800/4750/4750 - mind encumb of 735 = 2800/4015/4015 = one tough mother to take down when aiming at the mind with no DoT weapons.
Wow.... so, all those foods we sell other than Canape and Vercupti, are useless? Maybe where you live...
Have you ever PvP'd on a non-Carebear server? The redhighlighted text is why I think you haven't. It'd be real nice to play on a server where your mind isn'tdown to 1within 30 seconds of entering combat (regardless of your Foc/Will). Obviously, if you're a Doc you can deal with that, butif you're a Doc you shouldn't be getting killed within 10 minutes either, and therefore you should be planning your stomach filling for the long haul.
If you do PvP, and you routinely get killed within 10 minutes, then you're backing up my argument. Stuffing 3 canapes down your neck is just ignorant overkill - your mind will still hit 1 (thanks CMs), and then a Rifleman like myself will take you down, DB you, and not give a crap about your 'uberleet' focus and willpower. Game over, and be sure to take note of your full stomach on the way out, 'cos you're coming back into the game not able to eat a thing.
If you expect to die within 10 minutes, DON'T FILL YOUR STOMACH UP! Geesh, it's not hard to figure out.'Uhhh.... eat 2 vercupti or 3 canape... yeah, that's it' - is NOT gonna win any prizes for tactical use of food in PvP.
Apologies for the grumpy nature of this post, but someone who simultaneously breaks down all PvP food usage to 'vercupti or canape' AND suggests that anyone who isn't that simple-minded doesn't PvP, kind of gets me riled 
As a Mon Cal Master Rifleman, dumped all my stats into mind, and on musician/dancer buff. I only find it necessary to take a brandy (not wearing armor) and I never have any mind loss from specials. I only use canapes for armored situations, then I am only stacking 2 at a time. There have been times that I have stuffed down 3 to help mind recovery from poisons and the wonderful HS3 spamming.
Were I a weak minded species I would be stuffing 3 down any time I got buffed for combat, pve or pvp... my wookie always eating them he is...
Mor-Dan wrote:
i lasted much longer than 30sec as a TKM/Pistol/Smug, and even longer as a Pistol/Brawler/Fencer. my server is full of people with DoT weapons, but not everyone has them. if your HAM is eaten up in 30 seconds, you must not be very good at PvP.
Ahh, that might explain the difference of opinions
You've been talking about duelling, I've been talking about multi-player PvP (predominantly base raids/defences). My mind is eaten up in 30 seconds because I don't PvP enough to take Doc on my main toon, and hence in any large-scale PvP, my mind is gone instantly thanks to CMs 
That's nothing to do with being 'good' at PvP, just a case of taking part in 'real' PvP as opposed to 'play' PvP
That's the main focus behind my argument about not even filling your stomach, and certainly not filling it with all one thing. In large-scale combat, there's lots of different builds attacking you, but the one constant is that you WILL get your mind bar wiped out in seconds if you don't have Doc, or a large contingent of supporting docs. No way are you gonna keep pace with even something weak like a 500-tick poison, no matter how many Canape you eat. So you may as well save space, be it for steak, Aitha (my favourite way of getting off a few specials on those as mind-afflicted as myself), or whatever.
Anyhow, we're way past the point where we can pretend this is appropriate for the Chef forum, so may as well agree to disagree
*Yells "I'm right, I'm right!" and runs for the door *