Chef Archive
Thread: Newly public CU info
I8TheWorm
Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:18 am
#14
TimePalladin wrote:
didnt they do a chef revamp recently
hehe now they r doin it again sorta...
i hope foods will still be desirable after the CU
I'm sure they will.. but also sure there will be some major changes.
I also think the game economy is going to be like a rollercoaster until weeks after the CU hits. Folks making a mad dash to buy meds, foods, etc... Docs and chefs not buying resources (poor BE's), nobody knowing what to make in the first bit of the CU, etc...
That's the only part of the CU that I'm not looking forward to, but I think it's inevitable.
MeciniaLua
Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:51 pm
#15
Meuw wrote:
Well folks I for one am not into freaking out but I know what the language of developers mean. I know how spin works, and most of all I know when they are leaving things out on purpose.
All in all they were straight-forward in their intentions, and covered all of the areas without trying to cover up the downsides. But the problem I see with this is that they also have shown that they have no solid ideas on how to balance out the things they are taking away.
Again these devs seem to be worrying so much about "balancing" a problem area that they totally ignore how they are going to completely throw another group out of balance. Doing all of this to "Solve" the unbalanced combat is pointless unless all you care about are the "combatants". They are going to destroy the livlihood of the crafting professions that already struggle to keep up. And are giving a boost to the professions that are already overpowered economically. ArmorSmiths and Weaponsmiths will thrive under this new system, and BE's and Chefs will become nothing more than window dressing.
This is not at all unstoppable while retaining the new ideas, but so far they have shown no ideas whatsoever that will help maintain a chefs ability to be part of the economy. And that is just plain idiotic, do they not realise they are going to lose every high class chef in the game except for diehards who refuse to leave, but they are people who have already amassed enough capital to survive. No one will want to suffer the grind of chef just to make chump change. So the profession will stagnate just like CH did. And don't kid yourself by thinking they will fix it if it happens, the CH profession has been waiting for that "fix" for over a year and a half.
SO if this is a case of the devs jumping the gun on lettign it be known what they plan then I can stomach that. But if they actually believe that the entire forums erupting in OPPOSITION to these ideas is a fluke then we are in trouble. And I will tell you right now , I for one have many other games I can play...for free. Poor timing devs, poor planning. You needed to cover all the bases before you let this crowd see into the factory. All you managed to do was freak alot of people out.
QFE
BEs though are taking over medical crafting so they should be okay, but I wonder how much demand for 20% buffpacks there'll be.
Dancers, Musicians, Image Designers, Chefs are really getting the shaft from reading between the lines
MeciniaLua
Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:00 pm
#16
66 pages so far in Blair's topic, not even 12 dev posts. No answering of any issues for entertainers, dancers, musicians, image desingers or chefs in any dev answer. Well for entertaineres TH did say "Entertainers are outside the scope of the CU". But apparently breaking them and us isn't out of the scope......
There had best be some good dev answers or responses and they need to post all the rest of the docs monday. They need to be upfront about everything, skirting around issues just shows that either they don't care about those issues, or they know the response they'll get is not going to be good.
Meuw
Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:22 pm
#17
Like I said, they are too myopic to even notice. Theyonly care abotu their "rebalance". The effect on other professions they will not worry about because we do not make uop enough of a group to make it fiscally viable to serve our needs in conjuction with those of the "combatants".
Meplorium
Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:36 pm
#18
There has been no mention of the word 'Food' from the devs. What I do see is an overall marginizing of crafters and there goods. Armor gets the nerf. Weapons get antidecay kits. Meds are out the door and what is left isn't powerful and not made by doctors. It seems the devs hate crafters as of late.
We will have a few top sellers, like synsteak. Stuff like ahrisa, focus food, seems to be out the door. The only think I can see is food the affects warm up and warm down times. That could be huge. Not sure if we would get that with crafters in general getting nerfed.
Meuw
Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:10 am
#19
Yeah bud, lord knows I am right now stocking up on synthsteak supplies. I mean what's smokes my halibut (I have to be creative with expletives you know) is I just started chef. And I started it because they nerfed my other profession (Creature Handler) to near death. So now they want to destroy this one. I don't mind change, I love change and I love that they are finally kicking the problem with combat exploits in the rear. Don't fool yourselves guys, defense stacking is cheating plain and simple. It was never meant to be part of the game. But their problem is they are cutting off the head to spite the foot. They are destroying other professions to "even things out" you CANNOT even things out by jumping on one side of the board. That is simple freaking physics.
Corum31
Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:34 am
#20
Well hello everyone, i have not read the cu information as i am new to this 7 days into the game.
I have taken Pistoleer/chef with a little medic/scout on the side-
I have joined a guild that supplies me with the goods i need to grind out the chef skill, but if this changes in the new cu then it looks as though all the work i have been putting into this game will be useless to me.
i was working towards the skill of creatiung the food and drink of the mind as that is what makes the money and allows me to get better at the things i do.
without the buffs from the doctors i am pretty easy to kill, so that puts out the combat side of the game (killing valarians and such dont help me , it gets boring) i need to be able to pit my wits with a friend against pickets and voriter lizards as these produce good resource of meat hide and bone.
Hoefully the changes wont stop me , but if it goes to pieces anbd turns out rubbish, they will be losing a player off the server and game. why should i pay for a game that i dont like (i like it at the moment), if the changes come in i think a few people will leave.
(that means jobs at SOE may be on the line- no income/more overheads)
i just wish these dev would listen to the people that play and pay (we pay there wages in the end)
Sorry about the gripe people........
FantasticPlastic
Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:21 am
#21
If you're that new to the game, you might consider geting some context on the situation before making a "gripe", as you put it.
"i just wish these dev would listen to the people that play and pay "
In fact, for the past year and a half, the combat system in this game has been pretty broken and unbalanced. The people that play and pay have been complaining a great deal, asking for a revision to a lot of the professions that are currently pretty broken (such as Pistoleer).
This Combat Upgrade is the result of these dev listening to the people that play and pay.
O.
"i just wish these dev would listen to the people that play and pay "
In fact, for the past year and a half, the combat system in this game has been pretty broken and unbalanced. The people that play and pay have been complaining a great deal, asking for a revision to a lot of the professions that are currently pretty broken (such as Pistoleer).
This Combat Upgrade is the result of these dev listening to the people that play and pay.
O.
MeciniaLua
Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:32 am
#22
FantasticPlastic wrote:
If you're that new to the game, you might consider geting some context on the situation before making a "gripe", as you put it.
"i just wish these dev would listen to the people that play and pay "
In fact, for the past year and a half, the combat system in this game has been pretty broken and unbalanced. The people that play and pay have been complaining a great deal, asking for a revision to a lot of the professions that are currently pretty broken (such as Pistoleer).
This Combat Upgrade is the result of these dev listening to the people that play and pay.
O.
That's true from a certain point of view. However noone asked for the combat system to be completely reworked as it is only broken stuff to be fixed.
Ithorian Mist, Thaktillo, Synthsteak, Pikatta Pie, Air Cake, Vegepersine may still have some use after the CU, however in the past my sales of them have been low as has been request for them. With the combat changes dodge and damage reduction foods might come more in demand. Garmorrl and Won Won could see a surge in popularity too.
FantasticPlastic
Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:42 am
#23
Heh, I think it would be a hard thing to prove either way that "no one" asked for the combat system to be completely reworked. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that someone, sometime, asked for it 
Plus, it's not like this is a big surprise. To the poster I was addressing it may be new information, but that poster was saying "I wish the devs would listen to the players". I just wanted to point out that players really DID want the combat system to be fixed, in large numbers.
Some of them even stuck around to wait for it
O.
Plus, it's not like this is a big surprise. To the poster I was addressing it may be new information, but that poster was saying "I wish the devs would listen to the players". I just wanted to point out that players really DID want the combat system to be fixed, in large numbers.
Some of them even stuck around to wait for it
O.
Meplorium
Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:17 am
#24
No one asked for a whole new UI and game effects. If they simply stuck to what was broken rather than trying to completely redo the game, there are many things right with combat, then it would have been done a long time ago. The real problem here is they are braking errr fixing things that work great in this game right now, like chef. The old saying olds true, if it isn't broken, then don't fix it.
FantasticPlastic
Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:28 am
#25
Again, if even one single person in the last year and a half asked for it, then it's not true that "no one asked for" it.
"broken, then don't fix it"
Pretty much the whole basis of the combat system was broken. The "HAM cost" system was silly, damaging yourself by firing weapons? And the unhealability of the mind pool, and so on.
Changing those two simple facets has a lot of wide-reaching effects. Besides, what's wrong with changing the color of the special attack icons? You haven't even seen just how much of a change will be made to the UI.
I'm as curious as anyone what our place will be as crafters after the CU, but wouldn't it make more sense to wait until we can actually have some evidence before declaring things "broken"?
For example, I make as much money from Brandy as any chef does, but I'm completely in favor of removing the Mind as an attackable pool. Sure, it means that even if brandy DOES still buff mind, it won't be the one drink everybody needs, but it's better for the game overall.
I'm personally very much in favor of the concept described so far, with "Action/Mind" as the new "specials bar" and regeneration stats that control its regen, with special attacks having some delay before they can be used again. There's still plenty of opportunities for food to buff things that will be useful and keep chefs in business, but we just don't know enough to say either way right now.
"broken, then don't fix it"
Pretty much the whole basis of the combat system was broken. The "HAM cost" system was silly, damaging yourself by firing weapons? And the unhealability of the mind pool, and so on.
Changing those two simple facets has a lot of wide-reaching effects. Besides, what's wrong with changing the color of the special attack icons? You haven't even seen just how much of a change will be made to the UI.
I'm as curious as anyone what our place will be as crafters after the CU, but wouldn't it make more sense to wait until we can actually have some evidence before declaring things "broken"?
For example, I make as much money from Brandy as any chef does, but I'm completely in favor of removing the Mind as an attackable pool. Sure, it means that even if brandy DOES still buff mind, it won't be the one drink everybody needs, but it's better for the game overall.
I'm personally very much in favor of the concept described so far, with "Action/Mind" as the new "specials bar" and regeneration stats that control its regen, with special attacks having some delay before they can be used again. There's still plenty of opportunities for food to buff things that will be useful and keep chefs in business, but we just don't know enough to say either way right now.
FantasticPlastic
Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:33 am
#26
For example:
This all seems pretty darn reasonable to me. Not at all "broken". We don't know if it will happen like this, be we don't know enough to say it's "broken", either.
O.
sciguyCO wrote:Well, to be perfectly honest, I have to fight off the occasional "OMGWTF, change is scary" reaction myself.
Here's what I see might happen:
- Stat buffs will have a mix of short-term / high potency, long-term / lower potency, and short-term / high filling / very high potency choices. If doctors get similar short/strong & long/weak combinations, put food potency at around 50-75% of what a doc can do (since using food doesn't require spending skill points).
- Health and "con" buffs will probably be our bread-and-butter (which means they have to do something about Garrmorl and Won-won). Buffs to Action and Mind pools should be useful, since those would allow for a larger special pool (although it might turn out that the "warm up" & "cool down" timers may be the main bottleneck). I'm not sure about "stamina" and "willpower", we'll have to see how the new regen stats work.
- The food market may shift more towards skill mod buffs and special effect foods like Synthsteak. Personally, I think these have been overlooked due to the great desirability of Mind buff foods.
- One of the previous dev posts (or maybe patch notes) mentioned a revamp on the back-end coding of the buff system to make them "easier to extend". Easier implementation of buff types hopefully equals easier to add new food.
Here's hoping for more details on the new HAM system, profession skill mods (so we can figure out how our skill buffs fit in) and buffs coming soon...
This all seems pretty darn reasonable to me. Not at all "broken". We don't know if it will happen like this, be we don't know enough to say it's "broken", either.
O.