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Thread: Information on cheap BE additives!!
Owesko wrote:I just bought a schematic for 3k a couple minutes ago.Like i said i only made this thread to let people know the option is out there, you will find Be's like the one's that are posting in this thread also.Just ignore the ones that seem to have an attitude about it and i am sure you will find one.As someone else stated there is no reason for a BE to charge millions for something that at most takes them 30 seconds to make, as long as you supply the resources.I dont see it as BE's selling themselves short, IMO i feel the BE's that are getting mad in this thread are gettting mad because here they were charging chefs outrageous prices for stuff and now they feel someone is trying to undermine them. If they feel that way i am sorry but i am not sorry about posting this thread.
Another reason for me posting this thread is to possibly lower the prices on good brandy. Most likely this wont happen but it was a shot.
I suspect that you are right, they are mad that their skills are being sold short. My point is that the skill in question here isn't the main area of focus (pets) that actually takes skill and a lot of it.
Padre
"I would make schematics for free if the chefs were not charging so much for their products..."
First, not all Chefs are charging "so much", since all Chefs are of course not pricing the same.
Second, maybe if BEs weren't chargingso muchfor supplements, Brandy would be cheaper? Not really a question, just illustrating something called a "circular argument".
And finally, everyone seems to forget that Chefs aren't forcing anyone to buy BE brandy. I offer the regular stuff at 50k a crate, and consistently people will still buy 3 stacks of BE brandy at 15k a stack without giving the normal brandy a second glance. /boggle
So if you are complaining about the prices of the absolute best food that money can buy, maybe you should try the "Chevy" instead of the "Rolls Royce"?
Just a thought.
Cyene
You should read more of the boards and know of our complaints on the high number of failures/crits we go through during experimentation. More than 40% ofmy experiments fail or crit. I'm not going to sell additives until I get verygood successes. Most BE's won't either (at least, i never met one that would). If you think filling the bar with 10 points is all we do, you're naive. 1.3million for 2 minutes of work my butt. We are paying 35-50CPU for meat. Factor that in to the number of units needed for a schematic. Add the cost of flora (I pay avariable cost of 3-5 CPU for flora). Add the cost of maintenance and power for the factory. Add about 10% profit, and you're talkingwell over 1 million.
COME ON PEOPLE! USECOMMON SENSE.
PadreBook wrote:
Hello BE's how about this question: how many experimentation lines are on every single additive? One right? Just put your 10 points in and poof it's done. How much of your skill is needed for that activity? 1.3 million for 2 minutes of work? Good gosh, particularly since the odds that a chef has the several 10's of thousands of meat for a single run is pretty small (oh btw you don't have to spend time harvesting/buying/begging for that meat either in this case). Now, maybe you feel you earned it because of that nightmare of a learning curve for making pets that you have to endure or the never-ending difficulty you have in getting meat, fish, and DNA samples for your own needs. But are Chefs responsible for that? Would you rather just deal with making pets for CH's with real specific needs (AR1, 55% kinetic, 10k HAM, Dizzy, KD special attacks, Ranged, CL70 non aggro skin, 100k right?).
Padre
ThGilsRooc said
You should read more of the boards and know of our complaints on the high number of failures/crits we go through during experimentation. More than 40% ofmy experiments fail or crit. I'm not going to sell additives until I get verygood successes. Most BE's won't either (at least, i never met one that would). If you think filling the bar with 10 points is all we do, you're naive. 1.3million for 2 minutes of work my butt. We are paying 35-50CPU for meat. Factor that in to the number of units needed for a schematic. Add the cost of flora (I pay avariable cost of 3-5 CPU for flora). Add the cost of maintenance and power for the factory. Add about 10% profit, and you're talkingwell over 1 million.
Owesko wrote:
Ok i am sure this has been posted quite a few times before but i will say it just in case.The best way to make BE brandy for cheap is to get the resources then have a master BE use those resource to make you a schematic.Then just throw schematic and resources in your own factory and there ya go.No more paying 75k for a crate on additives or whatever people pay for them.I know for my self i got a BE that will make me a schmatic anytime for one or two brandies (not crates,just a couple 21 use brandies).If this helps fellow chefs i am glad i was of some use if not at least i tried.
Then your BE is a really good friend, or an idiot.
On Bloodfin Good BE schematics go for 1.3 mill. considering how much a Chef could make that's a bargin.
If you think your little surprise is to sell cheap BE Brandy, you got another thing coming. To clue you in, supply and demand. You can sell your BE Brandy cheap if you'd like, but as long as there is a demand, players will buy from other chefs who will sell it for more. If you cannot keep up with the demand with yourcheap Brandy, then so be it. People will go elsewhere. And many players have a relationship with specific chefs. Why do you think it is hard for new chefs to find business? Because most players will go right to the know chef they always work with. Location or not. I sell BE Brandy for less than what most sell it for and I do not sell out of it like hotcakes like you might think will happen. And if you do sell cheap, someone will either buy you out and sell it for more, or make you'll be a sucker to take personal orders for 20+ crated in which that person again will turn around and sell it for more. So sell your BR Brandy cheap, no one cares and it won't hurt any other chefs.
DialUp wrote:
It is not the ammount of time it takes to make the schematic. It is the fact that most chefs are making a fortune off 2 minutes of BE time. If there is a fortune to be made for those 2 minutes, don't you think the person with the skill to make the schematic should get a large piece of that pie?
I would make schematics for free if the chefs were not charging so much for their products...
I am grinding Chef right now and soon will have a nice surprise for all the greedy brandy chefs on gorath
I can appreciate the original poster saying its an alternative to buying expensive crates and to be honest that's very true. I can also understand the sentiment that the price of food would decrease if the BE enhancements were cheaper. Unfortunately we all know that won't happen.
A BE sells a schematic for 3K or just gives the schematic away for free. That chef takes the schematic, plops it in a factory and comes back a day later to find crates of tissues. They take those tissues and make brandy. That enhanced brandy is worth a lot of money. Are they going to lower the price? hmmmm.....
You can get cheap schematics and I'd encourage all of you to do so as long as you can. BE's are waking up to the reality of things. Why would I give away a schematic for free knowing I won't be able to sell any crates of tissues? I've destroyed my own market.
Dear Owesko:
So does that mean if I came to you to get the brandy schematics I need (let's see .. cask,additive solution thingy, alcohol, and brandy), you would gladly furnish them really cheaply in the same fashion you expect BE's to do for you? Yes, I have the resources to make brandy in totality. Lucky for you this is a hypothetical, because my character resides on Valcyn 
The fact is, if you were willing to make the schematics for me, I would probably be inclined to pay you at least 100-200k for them to give you some reward for your efforts in obtaining master chef - or a few of the final crates.. whichever you preferred.
I am not there to rip people off... in fact anyone that checks me out on Valcyn will realise my prices are lower than most, despite my tissues being of the highest quality (I delete anything under +15 without a second glance .. in the case of tailor tissues ... except the syn cloth ones of course). I sold what little brandy I made for less than market average too. I am no paragon of the oppressed, but merely a newish vendor in the brandy field and establishing a customer base.
Owesko wrote:
ThGilsRooc said
You should read more of the boards and know of our complaints on the high number of failures/crits we go through during experimentation. More than 40% ofmy experiments fail or crit. I'm not going to sell additives until I get verygood successes. Most BE's won't either (at least, i never met one that would). If you think filling the bar with 10 points is all we do, you're naive. 1.3million for 2 minutes of work my butt. We are paying 35-50CPU for meat. Factor that in to the number of units needed for a schematic. Add the cost of flora (I pay avariable cost of 3-5 CPU for flora). Add the cost of maintenance and power for the factory. Add about 10% profit, and you're talkingwell over 1 million.
But factor in the part where i said bring the BE the resources meat and flora.Which is what this thread was intened to talk about.Then you arent out anything on you crit or failures.And like i have said many times i am only talking about buying the schematic not the actual finiished product,so there isno cost at all for a BE except the 30 seconds it takes to make the schematic.
