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Thread: Poll: Barrels...

sciguyCO
Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:29 am
#1




Ok, barrels don't work. They've never worked since they were added to our schematic list back in February. I posted in the correspondant forum asking what they're supposed to do, and actually got back a response. They're supposed to act just like any other container, just with a larger multiplier than a cask. No fancy buff/duration increases. No big multiplier limitated to specific drinks (maybe giving us a chance to make some decent stack sizes for Breath of Heaven, Flameoutor Mandalorian wine without overloading Brandy).


{I'm in the process to see if they'll tell me what the multiplier is supposed to be}


So since this has been on our issue list forever, I thought I'd put it to you:


If dev time could be spent on fixing barrels, what would you want:


  1. Remove it, casks are good enough.

  2. Make it a 4x multiplier on drink stack size

  3. Make it a 5x multiplier on drink stack size

  4. Make it a 4/5x multiplier on drink stack size, but only for drinks with a base 2-4 quantity (BoH, Mando Wine, Flameout, T'illa T'ill).

  5. Make it a 1x multiplier, but givethe drink a5-10% bonus to buff size, duration or both.

  6. Make it a 1x multiplier with no bonus just to mess with new Master Chefs who don't read the forums.

  7. Other (be specific)

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is not a promise of any sort that dev time is being spent on barrels (or anything else, for that matter). I also have no clue what the actual intended multiplier is supposed to be, I picked 4x and 5x as reasonable assumptions. It could be 3.5x. It could be 10x (but I doubt it).


I'm mainly just curious about your thoughts on what should be done with this persistent thorn in our side.


Some pros/cons to consider:


Barrel schematic: 300 non-ferrous metal, 1 control unit, 1 power conditioner


CU and PC are made by Master Artisan. This is more total resources than a cask, requires two different component types (so an additional factory run), and may require more skill point cost to the chef if they want to get MA to make their own, rather than the 11 points for Novice Tailor (which shares our pre-reqs) and Formal 1. That would depend on the particular chef's Artisan template.


The least amount of dev work is required for #6 (our current situtation), with #1, #2, and #3 probably close behind.


#2 and #3 means that drink repeat sales on large-stack drinks would be even less frequent.Right now,a crate of casked 45m brandy lasts roughly 170-200hours of in-game buff time. If barrels were 5x, that'd jump to


#4 would stop the creation of 28-35 stack brandy, but would limit barrels to a small subset of our drink menu. Plus having the "correct schematic" check will be more work. Is there anything in the game right now with a "basic / advanced" version of a component where advanced components are limited to certain items?


#5 is my personal favorite. Customers trade off more power for lower stack size (and thus more frequent purchases), but it 1) requires balance analysis and 2) makes the divide between drinks and foods larger.


#7 has potential, though...


So, whattayathink?

Message Edited by sciguyCO on 11-12-2004 12:52 PM





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Bliznit
Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:43 am
#2

#7 is by far the best idea!!



If I had to pick one, and its a dream pick:


8) 3-4 X buff size (same as Casks maybe) with a 5% buff/dur OR fill bonus....the bonus YOU experiment on.


so I make a 430 Brandy for 45mins, 50 fill, 21 use..with Casks..


With new barrels I could make 450 mfw OR 50min, or 45 fill instead...same uses....


The % could be worked on, 5%....would be ok, 10 might be too high, 7.5?...


Thanks for this thread,





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Numen
Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:13 pm
#3


I do not want to see 30+ stacks of brandy or other drinks, I just think that is overkill. I do believe there is some improvement that could be done to higher level drinks though so


7) Increase the stack by a set amount. This MUST be fairly high to make it useful on some drinks and not useful on lower end ones. +10 would be my preference. This would be BoH and Mandolorian Wine at ~12 uses along with a few others. I still don't know if it would be worthwhile for chefs to use them due to the extreme resource cost on them though.



If This wouldn't be an option, I would vote for #1. Considering this is different than the way all other containers work, the changes to the backend may not be possible.

Message Edited by Numen on 11-12-2004 01:15 PM



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Batman_TWB
Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:13 pm
#4

2-5 would be fine with me. I am not fussy since they have not worked for so long.

Message Edited by Batman_TWB on 11-12-2004 11:14 AM



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Cibila
Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:46 pm
#5

#3

second choice #5

Why is number 3 nicer, the way things are currently (might change with revamp) brandy sells a lot, even though we would slow down the purchase cylcle you can base your price per charge, having more charges on your brandy your price per crate can be higher. Having people not come back so often for brandy might not be that bad since its such a pain to make and throwing in an extra factory run at production isnt as bad as doing the whole run more often.

#5 is good also if combat revamp changes the way food is used but the balance issues that can appear will be a pain to sift through for the devs (but hey thats their job), also im not sure that a 10-15% increase in buff size is actually worth trading off 5X or even 3X the amount in a stack.

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Shorthairs
Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:51 pm
#6

I cant firgure out how to make the two identical things you need to make casks.


How the piss am I ever going to make a barrel?


Bur if I could, it should be maybe... same multiplier as cask and some sort of bonus!
Meplorium
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:06 pm
#7

18-21 uses is more than fine for drinks. Modifiers for food is so far a BE area and should be left there.


Choice 7 would be best, dump barrels and put in plates. The stack use for food is what is off, not drinks.



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sciguyCO
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:39 pm
#8

Please don't abuse #7. It's a fragile little item... "Replace them with plates" or "make it wearable" is a bit outside the scope of what I'm polling for here. Given the restricitons of barrels being a drink component, what should be done with it? Do you think it is actually worth fixing, and if so what should it do?


Thanks for the replies so far, keep 'em coming.





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Kane_Firestalker
Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:08 pm
#9

I like #4 the best. No reason to slow down our sales



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Mayor_Woosh
Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:48 pm
#10


My vote is to remove barrels totally. I would rather see a food quanity multiplier added.

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SiNiSon
Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:26 pm
#11

Other, make it afood multiplier.
Megathrax
Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:21 pm
#12







7) Increase the stack by a set amount. This MUST be fairly high to make it useful on some drinks and not useful on lower end ones. +10 would be my preference. This would be BoH and Mandolorian Wine at ~12 uses along with a few others.





or #2




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BlueAlien
Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:47 pm
#13

I think that all the ideas everyone have come up with for 7 are really good, I doubt I can come up with any better of a suggestion.



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