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Message Edited by eeroik on 03-28-2005 02:27 AM

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eeroik wrote:

awesome, thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear

further questions though...

-is it possible to make a similar version with higher fill and higher duration (basically looking to achieve the same thing but use up the food at a slower rate)?

-what BE component and resource statsdid you use to achieve that?

Message Edited by eeroik on 03-28-2005 02:27 AM

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On the first point, no...I dont think it would be possible or desireable. Vercupti without a filling additive usually starts out around 65 Fill/6-8 minutes duration before experimentation. Assuming that you put NOTHING intonutrition, but concentrated on Filling and Flavor, you still would not be able to get it to 15m duration/50 Fill.....which is what you would need for constant buff using a nutrition additive. For the Vercupti to be constant buff, you will need to work with either a Filling or a flavoradditive. I personally would recommend the filling over the flavor, since it will leave a greater portion of your stomach available at any given moment. If you work will a Flavor additive on Vercupti, you would get a duration around 12m or so....and you might be able to push it farther. But reaching 50Fill/15m duration on Vercupti is no easy task. Getting to33Fill or less with 10m Duration or higher is fairly easy. BoH is the same situation for the most part. If this is incorrect please let me know....I just know that I monkied with it originally and wasnt able to pull it off.

The second question is a bit vague, as I dont know what recipes you mean. So I will try to explain all recipes I mentioned.

However I do have to apologize...as you can see I made that post at almost 4 in the morning and I am not sure where those numbers came from on the second recipe. Sorry for that. Here is what I actually make and sell:

Vercupti #1 +1100 / 49 Fill / 7:36

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive :Heavy Nutrition118 rated

-Experimentation : 8 Filling, 4 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #2 +468 / 29 Fill / 9:00

-Tubers: Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 7 Filling, 3 Flavor, 2 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #3 +578 / 32 Fill / 7:36

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 4 Filling, 8 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #4 +486 / 32 Fill / 10:02

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 4 Filling,5 Flavor,3 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #1 is carried on the vendors at all times, and is by far the best seller.

The other three options are all special order, and are tailored for different circumstances. #4 and #2 are both constant buff options. For the most part I sell more of #4, but there are two customers who insist on #2. #3 is essentially for "Clone Zergers". Its popular with PvPers and is high buff and low fill to get them out of the cloner and to safety or back in the fight ASAP. They prefer this over the 49 Fill option since their stomach is usually fairly full when they die. PvPers purchase all versions though...so its hard to tell which they like more. I almost sell enough of Option #3 to stock it on the vendor, but considering the CURB might render Vercupti less useful I have been hesitant to do so.

Breath of Heaven +1055 / 50 Fill/ 7:04

-Oats : Piafowhep(oq 762 / pe 1000 / fl 351 / dr 924)

-Rice : Erlaso (oq 879 / pe 955 / fl 48 / dr 912)

-Additive : Heavy Nutrition 118 Rated

-Experimentation : 8 Filling, 1 Flavor, 3 Nutrition (all or 11/12 Amazings)

The Breath of Heaven stats fluctuate slightlydepending on whether I use a 117 or a 118 Heavy, as well as whether I get an amazing on that last single point into Flavor. But it is always over +1040 and around 7m duration. It sells quite well, and I always keep it stocked. I am not making large runs of this anymore however, due to the fact that it will be COMPLETELY worthless in its current formafter the CURB. I am ssuming it will be deleted or changed to suit the new HAM rules, since supposedly all the stats it buffs will be going away. Still, sales have been brisk.

Hope this helps. Sorry for the initial confusion. It was 4 am and I was tired and silly.

Message Edited by ChefVomit on 03-28-2005 01:08 PM

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ChefVomit wrote:

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eeroik wrote:

awesome, thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear

further questions though...

-is it possible to make a similar version with higher fill and higher duration (basically looking to achieve the same thing but use up the food at a slower rate)?

-what BE component and resource stats did you use to achieve that?

Message Edited by eeroik on 03-28-2005 02:27 AM

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On the first point, no...I dont think it would be possible or desireable. Vercupti without a filling additive usually starts out around 65 Fill/6-8 minutes duration before experimentation. Assuming that you put NOTHING into nutrition, but concentrated on Filling and Flavor, you still would not be able to get it to 15m duration/50 Fill.....which is what you would need for constant buff using a nutrition additive. For the Vercupti to be constant buff, you will need to work with either a Filling or a flavor additive. I personally would recommend the filling over the flavor, since it will leave a greater portion of your stomach available at any given moment. If you work will a Flavor additive on Vercupti, you would get a duration around 12m or so....and you might be able to push it farther. But reaching 50Fill/15m duration on Vercupti is no easy task. Getting to 33Fill or less with 10m Duration or higher is fairly easy. BoH is the same situation for the most part. If this is incorrect please let me know....I just know that I monkied with it originally and wasnt able to pull it off.

The second question is a bit vague, as I dont know what recipes you mean. So I will try to explain all recipes I mentioned.

However I do have to apologize...as you can see I made that post at almost 4 in the morning and I am not sure where those numbers came from on the second recipe. Sorry for that. Here is what I actually make and sell:

Vercupti #1 +1100 / 49 Fill / 7:36

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Nutrition 118 rated

-Experimentation : 8 Filling, 4 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #2 +468 / 29 Fill / 9:00

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 7 Filling, 3 Flavor, 2 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #3 +578 / 32 Fill / 7:36

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 4 Filling, 8 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #4 +486 / 32 Fill / 10:02

-Tubers : Iefi (oq 960 / pe 906 / fl 966 / dr 883)

-Lube Oil : Okreloic (oq 972 / dr 988)

-Insect Meat : Irelliwuf (oq 804 / pe 951 / fl 948 / dr 971)

-Additive : Heavy Filling Add 42/43 rated

-Experimentation : 4 Filling,5 Flavor,3 Nutrition (all amazings)

Vercupti #1 is carried on the vendors at all times, and is by far the best seller.

The other three options are all special order, and are tailored for different circumstances. #4 and #2 are both constant buff options. For the most part I sell more of #4, but there are two customers who insist on #2. #3 is essentially for "Clone Zergers". Its popular with PvPers and is high buff and low fill to get them out of the cloner and to safety or back in the fight ASAP . They prefer this over the 49 Fill option since their stomach is usually fairly full when they die. PvPers purchase all versions though...so its hard to tell which they like more. I almost sell enough of Option #3 to stock it on the vendor, but considering the CURB might render Vercupti less useful I have been hesitant to do so.

Breath of Heaven +1055 / 50 Fill/ 7:04

-Oats : Piafowhep (oq 762 / pe 1000 / fl 351 / dr 924)

-Rice : Erlaso (oq 879 / pe 955 / fl 48 / dr 912)

-Additive : Heavy Nutrition 118 Rated

-Experimentation : 8 Filling, 1 Flavor, 3 Nutrition (all or 11/12 Amazings)

The Breath of Heaven stats fluctuate slightly depending on whether I use a 117 or a 118 Heavy, as well as whether I get an amazing on that last single point into Flavor. But it is always over +1040 and around 7m duration. It sells quite well, and I always keep it stocked. I am not making large runs of this anymore however, due to the fact that it will be COMPLETELY worthless in its current form after the CURB. I am ssuming it will be deleted or changed to suit the new HAM rules, since supposedly all the stats it buffs will be going away. Still, sales have been brisk.

Hope this helps. Sorry for the initial confusion. It was 4 am and I was tired and silly.

Message Edited by ChefVomit on 03-28-2005 01:08 PM

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Nice post I have one question for you though. How do you get all amazings all the time. Do you just go through about 2 crates of adds or are you just super lucky?

Persistance is the key to all amazings.

If at first to do not succeed, try again. So yeah, it can take a crate or 2 of subs to get it, but the stats benefits are more than worth it.

Higginsis is right. It just takes persistance. Having said that, it depends on what I am making. If the recipe calls for me to experiment on more than two lines, then the liklihood of getting all amazings is slim.

For example on the BoH recipe I posted. I do the Filling and Nutrition first. Once I get all amazings on those, I dont worry too much about getting one last amazing on the Flavor. Why? Because the extra 1% isnt worth the hassle when the difference will only be a few seconds of durations. But for any line where I am experimenting more than a single box, I dont settle for less than all amazings. Usually this isnt too hard. I would say I can usually hit the mark in less than a full crate of additives. Sometimes it does go over a crate, sometimes even two crates, but not too often. Usually its less than one.

If you can, craft in a Research City and use Bespin. Supposedly Assembly and Experimentation dont affect the possibility of amazings, but I am maxed on both. Its a dice roll. Sooner or later the dice will give you what you want. Just have to keep at it. Figure it this way....you are going to have a partial crate of food left over no matter WHAT you do, since there will always be ONE crate of additives that only has 24 in it. Well....if you mainly sell full crates (and most people do) then you might as well use all 24 of those chances trying to get all amazings. Worst case scenario you are out a few singles....best case scenario you make the best possible food with the resources you have. Its a good bet to take.

Yea I try try try again. It seems like all my amazings come on the last box in a line and doesn't even help that much.

I currently am at +126 assembly +128 exp so no problem there lol. I craft in a Research Center as I'm also the mayor lol and I use a +44 station +15 tool and at least +10 port just seems that my amazings are few and far between....

I've been working out much xp i'd need to get the FS lines, as i simply want to see how much difference they make to the the process, i hear they help enormously, and i also hear they do nothing. I can see adding another +25 on the success of a role making a huge difference, look how bug it is simply from the +15 research centres gives, so i may do it at some point, when i'm not as busy.

Also vomit the experimentation stat does effect the success of a role, but it seems to be very incremental. There's a negible difference between a 100 and 125 chef, but the difference between a master and novice chef in terms of success is huge.

Well...the only difference I can see is that I use +12 Bespin. How are you experimenting? One point at a time? Multiple points at a time? One line at a time, or multiple lines?

And thanks for the info Higginsis. Let us know how the FS thing works out.

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ChefVomit wrote:
Well...the only difference I can see is that I use +12 Bespin. How are you experimenting? One point at a time? Multiple points at a time? One line at a time, or multiple lines?

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I have tried all.

1 point at a time.
3-4 at a time
1 line at a time

I have even gone as far as to use all my points in one exp attempt

8 in one line 4 in the other.

Yea +12 port is tough to come by on Shadowfire cause we have had a low in good Tat fruit/berries/tubers untill last week when we had a killer spawn of all 3 so I will have to see what I can pump out now..

I read Higgins thread on how to get all amazings and the game just must dislike me lol..

I'm not complaning cause I still do good with sales and what not just seems kind frustrating sometimes when you don't get one till that last point and it doens't mean much.