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Thread: Chefs Revolt against BE and Tailor

H--K
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:33 pm
#1

I just get tired of having to pay 47k for a crate of Light 67k for Med and 87k for heavy enhancements from BE's and needing trim from a Tailor for Barrels.I quit using any of that and sell my stuff cheaply now, not as good for sure but selling well....Don't get ripped of by that. We should not have to rely on rip offs to make our food and then we have to sell a crate of Brandy for 120k to make a profit...F-That. We need to be stand alone careers and not have to depend on the ripoffs out there, Something should be done about making this crafting stand alone and not be dependant on someone else ripping us off for goods....Please keep bumping this and any help to elevate this issue would be appreciated....Please add your comments and how you all feel about it as well.....Do you feel the same? If I am being an Idiot just say so,,,Lol



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Gehn45
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:47 pm
#2

There are plenty of be/tailors that will make schematics for you out there. All crafting professions should be dependent on another. Whats next, you want to revolt against the rangers for collecting meat cause they charge a pretty penny on that as well?


This is a multiplayer game if you want to do everything by yourself go watch Mork and Mindy...er i mean play a single player game.



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waijai
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:58 pm
#3

Those are some super high prices. Why not post on your galaxy trade forums to see if better deals can be had? Do you have a BE in your guild? Maybe you should grind BE yourself to make tissues.


And trim for casks only cost me 2k/crate. You can make that yourself if you go up a little on the tailor tree.
Meuw
Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:42 pm
#4

the end all be all of this discussion is to get yourself a friend or guildmate involved. should you pay outrageous prices for somethig that is really no damn trouble to make? No, trim is nothing to make but space in a factory. Additives are different though my friend. Would you sell your products for cost? Hell no you wouldn't. People don't pay your prices because you need to recoup your costs. People pay your prices because they dont have the skills and you do. The increase in price is basically due to their need for the product and the work you put into it(both to make it and to gain the skills) So to give a BE hell because they markup their prices as well is just self-centered and ignorant. BE is just as difficult to grind as Chef my friend. In fact it is harder if you want a master BE's products. a master BE has to grind out DNA sampling as well, and without mask scent(which means they would have to grind scout as well) DNA sampling is nearly impossible to grind very fast. Plus BE has only a 104xp per unitgrind until a tier 3 skill then it is not much more. And it would take 20 minutes to discuss the resource requirments of making quality additives, so I won't bother/


Just thought maybe you should keep that in mind before trying to say their skills are lesser than yours.



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PippinSith
Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:04 pm
#5






H--K wrote:

I just get tired of having to pay 47k for a crate of Light 67k for Med and 87k for heavy enhancements from BE's and needing trim from a Tailor for Barrels.I quit using any of that and sell my stuff cheaply now, not as good for sure but selling well....Don't get ripped of by that. We should not have to rely on rip offs to make our food and then we have to sell a crate of Brandy for 120k to make a profit...F-That. We need to be stand alone careers and not have to depend on the ripoffs out there, Something should be done about making this crafting stand alone and not be dependant on someone else ripping us off for goods....Please keep bumping this and any help to elevate this issue would be appreciated....Please add your comments and how you all feel about it as well.....Do you feel the same? If I am being an Idiot just say so,,,Lol





Right now there is some decent, not good, but decent dath meat on Bria. The going rate is 25cpu and ever BE has jumped on that bandwagon to get some of that. To make a run of Med's it takes 20k of meat. 25cpu x 20k = 500k. Not including Flora, harvester time, factory time, my time and most importantly my Skill points. I say if you make a good enough living for you to not need tissues then go right on ahead. Whatever makes your play time easier. If you find that you want tissues again then I would grind out BE. With your patience you will do wonderful at it.


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I_Zombi
Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:20 pm
#6

Funny, I'm my own BE and tailor and sell my crates of brandy for 300k. I kinda like my method better... all I pay for is the additive meat, and I harvest some of that myself if it's on dath or dant.



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blurrin
Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:23 pm
#7


sorry, but you have to rely on other profession's that's what makes this game. Otherwise it would be to single player. Anyway like the other guy said it's not too hard to get tailor enough to make your own trims. The BE's need to make money too

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Bacajow
Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:43 pm
#8

So you want to have your cake and eat it?

It is difficult enough to make money asa tailor as it is and apart from BE Clothing (Which I too need to pay a BE for the tissue to make) Trim to chefs is how I make my cash.



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Higginsis
Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:01 pm
#9



I_Zombi wrote:
Funny, I'm my own BE and tailor and sell my crates of brandy for 300k. I kinda like my method better... all I pay for is the additive meat, and I harvest some of that myself if it's on dath or dant.





Thats some profit.

Like 250-300%? Unless you paid 100 cpu for your fruits and berries.



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mfg177
Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:58 am
#10

With 20k good or super meat BE needs to make a run of meds and heavies... Sometimes paying upt to 50-60cpu for it - calculate the price yourself...



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Higginsis
Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:09 am
#11

Get BE, simple.

If you don't want to commit the points then face the fact that you have to pay for adds. Even at those prices all in all if you make good brandy and sell at over 150k, you're still making 100% profit. And that's just one example.

Chefs haven't got it that bad, after AS and WS we can make the most credits (which chef is obviously about for you).



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Osrid
Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:19 am
#12

Well lets see here I'm Master Chef/Artsian/Merchant and have what I need for trim in tailor and still have like 30sp left so I can't complain about that, and I pay 1.6mil for a 40crate run of +117 heavies.



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sciguyCO
Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:22 am
#13

Well, if you're able to make and sell non-enhanced, non-casked items, then you don't have to pay anything to tailors and BEs. You're product won't be as good as other chefs, but you don't have to deal with the additional costs and hassle of cross-profession requirements.


It's not necessarily a rip off, you just have to look at the return on investment. Can you make more money later by spending that initial cost to tailors or BEs than you could without it?


Let's assume you're making Brandy with fruit/berry costing 10cpu and grind resources (for alcohol, containers and additive water)at 2cpu. You don't mention trim prices, but let's call it 3k per crate.


Here are your choices:


  • +220 Brandy,45m, 7 use, 50 fill (no tissue, small glass)


    • This is a decent high-end non-enhanced brandy.

    • Cost to you: 470 credits (including factory maint/power)

    • Sale price: A

  • +220 Brandy, 45m, 21 use, 50 fill (no tissue, but spending the 240 credits for 2 trim and 300 credits for the crystal gem)


    • Cost to you: 988 credits

    • Sale price: B

  • +411 Brandy, 45m, 7 use, 50 fill (87 BSN costing 2680 each, small glass)


    • Cost to you: 3178 credits

    • Sale price: C

  • +411 Brandy, 45m, 21 use, 50 fill (87 BSN, cask)


    • Cost to you: 3698 credits

    • Sale price: D

The sale price is going to depend on your server's market, but profit is a simple comparison of (A - 470), (B - 988), (C - 3178) and (D - 3698). But you'll also have to look at volume, so the price A, B, C, and D should be set such that the number of sales over a given period of time are equal. Otherwise you might get more profit for a given sale with (for example) unenhanced + casked, but be able to make up that difference in volume (due to demand) with enhanced + uncasked.


Based on my experience with customer demand, most chefs are able to sell more volume at higher per-item profit with the enhanced and casked product. It's completely up to you whether you choose to go that route, though. If you want to be a standalone chef, that option is there for you without having a "revolt" against BE and tailors.


And as a side note, if standard BSN prices are 67k per crate on your server, 120k for a crate of brandy is really too cheap. That's only about a 20% markup above base manufacturing costs. I usually determineprice by taking my production costs and marking up 50-75%, and I've gotten a few comments about how cheap my prices are compared to other chefs on my server.






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