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Thread: How much difference is there between a 10 point and 12 point Chef?

EvilHQ
Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:47 pm
#1

yes, I currently get +401/41mins/49fill with my current resources and cap at that level, with another point or two I could make +414/41, +407/43 or +401/45mins depending on how I use those last two points.


I've got +107 right now, so am desperately seeking that elusive +3 skill tape to give me 11 exp points.

EvilHQ
Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:48 pm
#2

oh, and sorry, yes, I made some +25 Bivoli with some +115 tissues and good resources.

OmNiEternal
Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:56 pm
#3

The major bonus with the 2 extra points is that you can use it to either give more uses or more duration which can make the difference in 200k item and 250k item.



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Numen
Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:33 pm
#4

Like others have said the difference is in the other stats. Most food is maxed on buff no matter how many points you use.


A few major ones though usually aren't


Brandy depends on how you experiment in the first place. My surveys basically said that +380 45 minutes was better than +400 40 minutes. So the 2 points would make +400 45 minutes. In that case it helps.


Canape. With the resources I use, I could never max the buff and get the filling to 33 even with all amazings. Here again, if people wanted 33 filling over larger buff, the points helped a lot.



Bivoli. I know +25 is possible with 10 points. +25 and 3 uses would be extremely tough though. I would guess it is doable, but that must be with some really amazing resources and lucky experimenting.



As for pricing, I never raised my prices once I got 12 points, but thats just a personal choice. I had to have my prices high enough so I could afford the tapes in the first place.



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PurpleWarrior
Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:07 am
#5

Most vendors don't have a sign saying "Made by XX point Chef" so I wondered what difference it makes to the end product.


For example - Vasarian Brandy and Bivoli.


Can a 10 point Chef make +400/44min/21 use Brandy? How about +25 Bivoli?


I'm asking mainly because I saw a Chef in town today yelling about how he was paying for Chef skill items and would pay 'Millions' for the right items. I figured the difference in Quality must be worth these 'millions' somehow.


Anyone care to elucidate?



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SiNiSon
Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:26 am
#6






PurpleWarrior wrote:

Most vendors don't have a sign saying "Made by XX point Chef" so I wondered what difference it makes to the end product.


For example - Vasarian Brandy and Bivoli.


Can a 10 point Chef make +400/44min/21 use Brandy? How about +25 Bivoli?


I'm asking mainly because I saw a Chef in town today yelling about how he was paying for Chef skill items and would pay 'Millions' for the right items. I figured the difference in Quality must be worth these 'millions' somehow.


Anyone care to elucidate?






Depends.. you cannot make food better than your resources.. no matter how many points you have. As a 12 point chef with decent resources I make +436/45.5m/21use brandy.. 12 points gives you more flexability when crafting..
Battery
Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:58 am
#7

For brandy I've noticed it seems to be 1 min/point I'm a 12 point chef and make +430 46 minutes a 10 point chef can make +430 44 minutes.


MozzerKing
Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:27 am
#8

Agree with others but wanted to add something...


In regards to the buff strength, more points usually isn't going to help you because even with 10 pts it's pretty easy to max out the buff. That said, there are some foods where it's difficult to compete without 12 pts. For instance, a lot of people want to buy 33 filling 700+ Canape or 50 filling 1000+ Vercupti and it's very hard to pull those off without the extra points.


If you don't want to shell out the cash for SEA's you should focus on buying or making the best BE tissues you possibly can. You'd be surprised how big of a difference the quality of your BE tissues makes on the food. With good resources and great BE tissues, your food will shine regardless of whether or not you have 12 pts. My advice would be to not get too worried about it. If you have the chance to get extra points by all means go for it but if you don't, just do your thing, make the best food you can and enjoy the game.



Maya
kelela
Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:22 pm
#9




















/agree with Maya


Here's a list I try to go by. I did some research on what people are looking for and what buffs and durations I REALLY had to meetin order for a food to be useful: ("had to meet" values are highlighted in yellow, the secondary things I look at are highlighted in tan, third in importance is highlighted in pink. If there are no highlighted values...it's basically a "toss up" meaning the players don't agree in mass about a specific attribute for this food - so do what you like with it basically):


1. Synthsteak - 40% damage reduction, for 38 attacks, 25% filling
2. Air Cake - 35% dodge, duration,
11% filling
3. Canape - 33% filling, 600/700+ to Focus and Willpower ( some players want 33% fill - some want bigger buff to f/w)

4.Vercupti - 67% filling, 1100+ to Health and Action and Willpower ( some players want 67% fill so they can eat something that's 33% with it - others don't care since the filling is so high anyway, they prefer the bigger buff)
5. Ahrisa – 33% filling, 300+ to focus, duration 44 min duration, 350+ to focus <---updated per Numen's post below
6. Brandy - 45 min, 50% filling,
380/400+ to Mind and Focus and Willpower ( Uber players prefer the 45+ min brandy regardless of the buffdue to the ability to immediately drink another brandy when the buff runs out.A bigger buff brandy that's less than 45 minutes causes the dangerous "delay in drinking" another brandy...this delay could cost a PvP'er his/her life in a tough battle)
9. Thakitillo – 99% Def.vs.KD, 9-10 minutes, 44% filling
10. Pikatta Pie – 50% Dodge, 33% filling, duration
11. Blue Milk - 33% Filling, 680+ Mind
12. Havla – 100 recovery bonus (anything under 100 doesn't benefit the user), 24/26 heals (hit an even number since the heals are bugged. 24 =12 heals, 26 = 13 heals. 25 will get you 12.5 heals - but the .5 is useless),
33% fill
13. Citros Snowcake - +40 accuracy bonus, duration, 25% fill (there's rumor of a cap at 30, it's never been proved from what I can tell. Continue to try to hit high accuracy bonus in the meantime.)

14. Parwan Nutricake – 52+% HAM reduction, 90+% recovery bonus (results in 5 continuous burst runs), 25% fill



I'm rushing while doing this - so I may need to edit it. (and please correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above!) And by all means, this isn't set in stone...this is just what I've gathered from the boards of what people look for in food. (i.e. 45 minute brandy is sooo much more worth it than 41 minute brandy. keep the buff between 380 and 400 and you should be good. +/- 20 in buff isn't going to matter...whereas not being able drink another brandy for another 4 MINUTES could really matter) As an 11 point chef, I can get to 45 minutes and 50% filling and sell my 380+ brandy no problem.


Some foods you HAVE TO REACH a certain minimum or else they don't work (bah)...see Havla.


I need this list cuz I'm only an 11 point chef. Though I can't achieve UBER food...i.e. double buff vercupti...I can still sell what's needed. Uber is sometimes overkill - it is not true that you can't make good food without 12 points. Just work hard to get good resources and use bespin port and craft in research cities when you can and you should be just fine.

Message Edited by kelela on 07-07-2004 12:19 PM

seanreineke
Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:34 pm
#10


Not to bea picky, but what is the first item listed? It started with "1 Hour" and no name. Otherwise this is going to help an aspiring Chef. Thx for the hard work.



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kelela
Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:21 am
#11

hehe - you weren't being picky...I just plain left it out. It was Synthsteak. (I edited the original post)
MozzerKing
Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:16 am
#12


Great post Kelela. I think that's a very good reference sheet for a new Chef. That said, I think the emphasis on providing 33 filling Canape and 50 filling Vercupti has been overdone a bit here on the boards due to the natural tendency of players to enter into pissing contests. I'll explain...


Before I had 12 pts to work with, I didn't even attempt to pull off the lower filling foods because it just wasn't feasible. It wasn't really an issue either because I still sell Canape and Vercupti like nobody's business. I went through 20-40 crates of Canape a week and my Vercupti sales were solid as well, although less because I charge a premium due to Insect meat requirements. Now that I've got 12 pts, I can hit the lower filling ranges and still maintain +700/+1000 buff strengths but I've found that the higher filling, higher buff versions of these foods outsell the lower filling foods by at least 2 to 1. So the moral of this story is not to believe all the Chef hype here on the boards. Just because some have pulled off those stats doesn't mean yours won't sell if you can't quite pull it off. There's a huge demand for food out there and most players just want to go to a well stocked vendor and don't delve into the details. If you're worried about bragging rights then by all means go for those milestones but if you're like me, and you just enjoy the hustle and bustle of running a very successful and profitable business, then just make the best you can and enjoy going through all those gmail messages you have waiting for you each time you login. Reviewing those gmail messages is my most favorite thing in the game to do!

Message Edited by MozzerKing on 07-06-2004 08:18 AM



Maya
Chiannie
Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:26 am
#13






MozzerKing wrote:


Now that I've got 12 pts, I can hit the lower filling ranges and still maintain +700/+1000 buff strengths but I've found that the higher filling, higher buff versions of these foods outsell the lower filling foods by at least 2 to 1.




As a 12 point chef myself, I totally agree with the statement made above.


Somebody once asked me if I make 33 filling canape, I told them I did not and they called me stupid. I promptly /addignored them and banned them from all my stores.





Chiannie
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